• September patches, Apple headlines and Browsers!

    Home » Forums » Newsletter and Homepage topics » September patches, Apple headlines and Browsers!

    • This topic has 51 replies, 23 voices, and was last updated 5 months ago.
    Author
    Topic
    #2586843

    Lots of headlines today. Today is the day they hold their event to announce new product releases. Rumor has it that iPhone 15 will be announced. Next
    [See the full post at: September patches, Apple headlines and Browsers!]

    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    3 users thanked author for this post.
    Viewing 23 reply threads
    Author
    Replies
    • #2586867

      AKB 2000003 has been updated for Group B Win7 and Win8.1 on Sept 12, 2023.

      See #2586838 and #2586840 for information on Win7 and Win8.1 updates (Logged in Member access required).

      1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2586868

      Hardened Windows user:

      KB5030219 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
      KB5031217 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64
      KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.117

      No hiccups.

      Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.2283)

      Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
      We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

      2 users thanked author for this post.
      • #2587381

        My NAS (unsupported hardware using Microsoft’s .reg entry) got the push last night:

        KB5030219 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
        KB5031217 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64
        KB4023057 Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
        KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.117

        No hiccups.

        Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.2283)

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

    • #2586874

      Dustin Child’s blog post would lead to an incorrect conclusion regarding Exchange; there were no patches issued this month.  They just published CVE’s that were already patched in the August security update.  https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/exchange-team-blog/september-2023-release-of-new-exchange-server-cves-resolved-by/ba-p/3924063

    • #2586879

      Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
      CU kb5030211 & Net kb5029923 installed.
      Observation: The CU took a lot longer than usual to install
      Other than that, all is well here. No changes to O&O shutup 10++
      Winver: OS build 19045.3448

      Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
    • #2586893

      I didn’t want to update yet on Windows 11 Pro (using WUMgr with nothing checked), but I just finished a backup and Windows updated itself by restarting.  Is this normal?

      The update was the same as that 0f  bbearren.  No ill effects so far.

      I have a Intel graphics driver update which is not yet installed.   Should I install it?

      Mark

      Build 22621

       

    • #2586919

      WU-2023-09

      KB5030211 W10 22H2 32-bit x86. Loads and reverts.’ UNABLE TO INSTALL UPDATE.’. FAILURE CODE ¦ 0x800f0922. (The Preview loaded abd reverted).
      AK

    • #2586922

      Updated PC2 in my signature, Windows 10 Home (after making a Macrium Reflect backup, of course). I went back to Windows 10 from Windows 11 on both PC’s about a month ago, by the way.

      No problems so far. However, I notice “Windows Backup” has been added to the Start Menu and it seems to be impossible to remove, just like the Settings icon in Windows 10 and the Get Started icon in Windows 11. I really wish Microsoft would stop doing that.

      I guess “Windows Backup” will just have to be something else to ignore until someone finds a way to get rid of it – after I disabled the service which was set to Manual. And I’ll probably need to check from time to time to make sure it stays disabled. I also checked to make sure OneDrive hadn’t “magically” reappeared (it hadn’t). I always remove OneDrive and most of the other bloat (XBox, etc.) after a clean install of Windows.

      I also removed the useless (to me, at least) Microsoft Update Health Tools which had made yet another reappearance with this month’s updates (wonder how long it will be before that becomes impossible to remove?).

      I also updated my browsers (Edge and Firefox) and checked to make sure no more useless bloat had been added and turned on by default – especially Edge – and I’ve now locked down Windows and the two browsers until next month.

      I’ll update PC1 tomorrow and see how that goes.

      Gigabyte B560M D2V Motherboard, Intel i5 11400 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 22H2 64bit.

      1 user thanked author for this post.
      • #2586924

        Oh, by the way… regarding “Windows Backup”.

        I thought Microsoft wasn’t supposed to be adding any more new “features” to Windows 10 between now and October 2025?

        I guess I’ll have to file that one away alongside things like “Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ever”.

        Gigabyte B560M D2V Motherboard, Intel i5 11400 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 22H2 64bit.

      • #2586976

        I’ll be talking about it in Patch Watch.  It’s part of the operating system and came in the preview update intitially.  I applaud the idea, not the implementation.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

        2 users thanked author for this post.
      • #2587198

        Updated PC1 in my signature with no problems so far.

        “Windows Backup” was also installed of course but I’ll be ignoring it in the same way as I’ve done for the other PC I updated yesterday.

        Just to be clear – I don’t really object to things like this being installed (even by stealth) because I can and usually do just ignore them if they can’t be uninstalled but what I do object to is these “unremovable” additions to the Start Menu because I like to keep a ‘clean’ Start Menu with no unwanted icons.

        From what I’ve been reading on other forums some enterprising souls have been experimenting for some time now trying to remove these Start Menu icons with varying degrees of success. But, what usually happens is they end up breaking something else with their attempts.

        As I said in my previous post, that’s 3 “unremovable” Start Menu icons I know of so far – the “Settings” icon in Windows 10, the “Get Started” icon in Windows 11 and now “Windows Backup” in Windows 10.

        And, as I’ve already said – I really wish Microsoft would stop doing things like this.

        Gigabyte B560M D2V Motherboard, Intel i5 11400 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 22H2 64bit.

    • #2586958

      WELL!  Installed September 22H2 updates on my very old (2011) laptop running Windows 10 Pro (it may be pro, I am not).  After update restart,  install seemed to have bjorked my desktop.  Half the icons were missing.  Some remaining were slightly fractured and rearranged.  Restarted the computer yet again.  Nope, still messed up.  I use a Windows display scaling setting of 125% (not recommended).  Set the scaling to 100%.  Nope.  Restarted with 100%.  Nope.  Started to think about last Macrium Reflect backup image.  But, after a lot of swearing, tugged on one of the fractured icons.  Other icons were underneath it.  All the icons were present but many were buried under others.  Excluding that, everything appears OK.

      My first Windows 10 was 21H1.  Usually, BU (formerly with Acronis) and install new updates almost as soon as they come out.  I have never had any problem remotely this severe (such as it is).  I can’t think of anything different that I did this time.  Left the task manager running during install.  All other applications were closed.  Amateurish mistake?

       

      • #2586974

        Did you use any third party desktop tweaking tools?  I have not seen any issues in my testing.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

        • #2587164

          System has no third party tweaking tools. Install time was like Microfix, not as long as RetiredGeek. Installed Updates shows, for September 12th:

          KB5029919 (.NET update, KB5030180 for 22H2)
          KB5030211
          servicing stack update 10.0.19041.3385

          Settings update history also shows
          KB4023057 (Update Health Tools).

          As always, KB890830 (WMSRT) was installed/run.

          Thank you. This one may need to go in the giant bin of Windows anomalies.

      • #2587107

        I have not seen this desktop icon problem yet on two Win 10 22H2 Pro machines updated with:

        KB5030211

        KB5030180

        and

        KB890830

        One machine is a late 2017 Dell XPS 9360 laptop running a 13″ display with 175% scaling setting….

        The desktop is significantly older… 2011 (although I seem to remember upgrading the graphics display adapter/card)

        Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner Von Braun

    • #2587007

      Installed Sept 2023 updates on W10 Pro 22H2.

      Winver 19045.3448

      Everything is ok.

      1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2587039

      Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.2283)

      2023-09 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5030219)

      2023-09 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64

      2023-09 .NET 6.0.22 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5030559)

      2023-09 .NET 7.0.11 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5030560)

      Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.117 (KB890830)

      All were installed without incident.

      --Joe

    • #2587058

      It’s part of the operating system and came in the preview update intitially.

      I also noticed the addition of Windows Backup to the start menu on a test Win10 22H2 VM after installing the September updates.  This new addition to the start menu comes from the Windows Feature Experience Pack.  There seems to be no documentation for this stealth addition.

      The manual start “Windows Backup” service was installed at some earlier time.  There is no 9/2023 entry in the system event log for the installation of this service.  And it also exists in Win10 22H2 before installation of September updates.

    • #2587108

      Since I don’t install preview releases or otherwise pay attention to them I never saw the mention of Windows Backup. I don’t think there was any mention of it in the KB that accompanied the September CU.

      • #2587117

        They do not re-post what got slid into the preview updates and place the documentation in the main security patches.  I just know to keep an eye on the previews for non security changes as THAT’s where it’s documented, not in the security patches even though it’s “new” to us.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

        3 users thanked author for this post.
    • #2587114

      Updated daily driver today. It took an hour and a half!
      Sept-Update

      Edge is still banished and Wordpad is likewise.

      Now on to Canary…

      UPDATE:
      Well this is embarrassing…Seems like my mucking around getting rid of EDGE was a bit too much for Windows Update. If you notice the build number in the picture above you’ll notice, as I eventually did, that it is not the latest. When I updated Canary I saw this:
      Sept-8700-Version
      So I went back to the daily driver and checked the Update History and lo and behold:
      8920-Failed-Update
      So I cleaned out the SoftwareDistribution folder and tried it again with the same result.

      Macrium Reflect to the rescue! I restored the C: drive back to 9/1 before I started mucking around the tried the updates again and BINGO!
      8920-Successful-Update

      When I calm down a bit maybe I’ll try the Edge experiment again on the Daily Driver then again maybe I’ll use Canary instead!

      As we love to say here on AW Backup, Backup, BACKUP!

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

      • #2587124

        Updated daily driver today. It took an hour and a half!

        Observation: The CU took a lot longer than usual to install

        Took a good hour then, where it usually takes 15-20 mins.

        guesstimate: I think that the slow update is attributed to removing edge.
        I can live with slow updates if that’s the case YMMV

        Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
        1 user thanked author for this post.
        • #2587305

          Ditto – a very very long time.  Defender CPU usage was very high the entire time; this has been noted over on the https://groups.google.com/g/patchmanagement list.

           

          1 user thanked author for this post.
          • #2587310

            Can you possibly snip and quote here, for all to see? 🙂

            Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
            • #2587313

              Tomas Ulbrich Sep 13 12:20PM -0700

              Hello All!!
              Curious if anyone is experiencing high (100%) CPU load (5 to 20 minutes at a time), whereby Defender is utilizing 70 – 80% of it, when installing Cumulative Updates?

              We are running at or n-1 the latest Defender engine, and have the newest Defs.

              This seems to be a recent occurrence — the last 2 patching cycles [August/ September]
              Cheers,
              Tomas

              Sep 13 05:05PM -0400
              September updates on 11 took longer than usual (nearly 40 minutes, previous updates were nowhere near that on this same machine).
              On 10 the time wasn’t too much longer compared to previous months but I did notice high Defender CPU usage during install.

              Mod edit: HTML tidy up and email addy’s removed

              2 users thanked author for this post.
        • #2587432

          Did my first Win10 22H2 update to 19045.3448 today. This is one that has Edge removed. Don’t see Edge anywhere.

          Timeline:
          4:55pm Windows Update download/install button
          5:15pm Restart now
          5:16pm 30%/Reboot
          5:17pm Login screen

          Lack of Edge didn’t seem to have an effect. Running Defender – showing no excessive resource use in Task Manager.

          1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2587139

      Updated daily driver today. It took an hour and a half!

      Observation: The CU took a lot longer than usual to install

      Took a good hour then, where it usually takes 15-20 mins.

      guesstimate: I think that the slow update is attributed to removing edge.
      I can live with slow updates if that’s the case YMMV

      This is strange. I’ve updated two Windows 10 22H2 systems so far and they took the usual 15 to 20 minutes.

      Agreed, YMMV. I’ll keep updating the remainder of my systems and see if this changes. Thanks.

      1 user thanked author for this post.
      • #2587385

        Had a Dell Optiplex 7060 that got stuck after reboot on 0% Complete for Windows 11 Pro 22H2 during updates. Ended up shutting system down after 30 mins and after reboot it finished completing the updates. It got stuck but was resolved after power down (even though message said do not shut off power)  – Updates are taking much longer on some machines.

    • #2587143

      Took a good hour then, where it usually takes 15-20 mins

      Took about 25min on my W10 Pro 22H2 (i7 8th gen, 32GB RAM).

      1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2587339

      I’ve updated 4 Win 10 machines 22H2. 3 laptops, 1 desktop. No issues. Smooth installs all around. Usual length of time. 20-ish minutes.

      Custom desktop Asus TUF X299 Mark 1 16GB RAM i7-7820X
      Four 27" 1080p screens 2 over 2.
      Laptop Clevo/Sager i7-9750H - 17.3" Full HD 1080p 144Hz, 16GB RAM Win 10 Pro 22H2

      1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2587364

      Win 11 Pro 22H2, laptop with i7 – 12700H.

      This update took ~18 minutes from taking the leash off Windows Update until reaching a reboot ready state. No unusual Defender activity noted while I watched the entire process. I have not made any major alterations to what might be considered a “stock” install such as removing Edge or third party UI mods. The system restarted at least twice during the reboot phase and the progress counter moved rather slowly, I believe it was around four minutes total to get to a login screen.

      No difficulties noted, smooth sailing after restart.

      1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2587433

      Updated 1 Win 11 and 1 Win 10 with no observed issues. Then updated my Win11 workstation and it sat forever at 70-71% installing, then after reboot hung at “installing 0% done” for quite a bit.  All in all took about 50 minutes. Much longer than normal but everything seems to be working fine.

      Never Say Never

      2 users thanked author for this post.
    • #2587581

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2587615

      See #2587432 for comparison.
      Did my second Win10 22H2 update to 19045.3448 today. This is one does not have Edge removed.  (Laptop/wireless Haswell i7, 4GBRAM)

      Timeline:
      1:11pm Windows Update download/install button
      1:47pm Restart now
      1:49pm 30%/Reboot
      1:50pm Login screen

      Slower computer with less RAM, presence of Edge didn’t seem to have an effect. Running Defender – showing no excessive resource use in Task Manager.

      1 user thanked author for this post.
    • #2587839

      Hi Susan:

      Windows Update successfully installed the following September 2023 Patch Tuesday updates on my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop and I haven’t observed any negative effects so far **:

      • KB5030211: 2023-09 Cumulative Update for Win 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (OS Build 19045.3448)
      • KB5030559: 2023-09 .NET 6.0.22 Update for x64 Client
      • KB5030180: 2023-09 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Win 10 Version 22H2 for x64
      • KB890830 : Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.117

      ** Note: KB4023057 (2023-08 Microsoft Update Health Tools v3.73.0.0) was previously installed by Windows Update on 06-Sep-2023 per Kobac’s 07-Sep-2023 topic KB4023057.

      My Sept 2023 Patch Tuesday updates took just under 1 hour to run to completion, which is more than double what I normally observe.  I have a relatively slow 10 Mbps internet connection and the inclusion of the new Windows Backup app with KB5030211 probably slowed things down. At first glance this app looks like more bloat from Microsoft that I’ll never use (see my 25-Aug-2023 post #2583486  in Foothills Dave’s What Backup Program Do You Recommend).

      As usual, I saw the early “Restart Now” glitch shown in the attached image that always occurs when Windows Update delivers a .NET Framework update with my other my Patch Tuesday updates (see my 11-Aug-2023 post # 2579020 in August 2023 Updates Are Out for a past example) but I checked at Settings | Update & Security | Windows Update and waited until the status of the KB5030211 monthly Quality Update changed to “Pending Restart” before I restarted my system.

      After I clicked the “Restart Now” button the final installation / configuration re-booted my system at “Working on updates – 30% Complete. Don’t turn off your computer” before running to 100% completion, initiating the final cleanup, and re-booting a second time.  This has happened the past 2 or 3 Patch Tuesdays, and the first re-boot always occurs at 30% completion.
      —————
      Dell Inspiron 15 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3448 * Firefox v117.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23080.2006-1.1.23080.2005 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.2.281-1.0.2131 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7279

      2 users thanked author for this post.
    • #2590251

      I installed the patches yesterday on my Win 10 22H2 64-bit system:

      KB890830 Malicious Software Removal Tool (Sep2023) MRT.exe
      KB5030180 2023-09 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64
      KB5030211 2023-09 Cumulative Update for Win 10 22H2 for x64

      with no problems.  One thing I see is that, because the patches are cumulative, the Win 10 22H2 patch is huge and takes a long time to download.  The Windows Update process claims that the patch is 100% downloaded when I can see from the Task Manager Ethernet graph that the patch is still downloading at a constant 4.0 Mbps for 20-30 more minutes.  I have submitted a Feedback to MS, but I consider that resource a “black hole”.

    • #2590258

      URGENT fix released to Firefox 118.0.1 and Firefox ESR 115.3.1, check your channel updater!
      Heap buffer overflow in libvpx, currently being exploited in the wild.

      Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
    • #2590278

      URGENT fix released to Firefox 118.0.1 and Firefox ESR 115.3.1, check your channel updater!
      Heap buffer overflow in libvpx, currently being exploited in the wild.

      ..and Chrome 0day fix 117.0.5938.132

    Viewing 23 reply threads
    Reply To: September patches, Apple headlines and Browsers!

    You can use BBCodes to format your content.
    Your account can't use all available BBCodes, they will be stripped before saving.

    Your information: