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  • So did MS fix the Win10 1903 SearchUI.exe redlining bug, or not?

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    • #1948125 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I’m seeing sporadic reports that yesterday’s cumulative update for Win10 1903, KB 4515384, fixes the bug introduced in last week’s second August cumul
      [See the full post at: So did MS fix the Win10 1903 SearchUI.exe redlining bug, or not?]

    • #1948149 Reply

      TweakHound
      AskWoody Lounger

      https://www.tweakhound.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/searchuiisfine.jpg

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      • #1948186 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Have you run gborn’s fix,

        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/so-did-ms-fix-the-win10-1903-searchui-exe-redlining-bug-or-not/#post-1948162

        Or enabled Bing? (In other words, did you see the redlining bug after KB 4512941?)

        • #1948204 Reply

          TweakHound
          AskWoody Lounger

          It was my understanding that disabling Bing search was the problem?

          I previously had the problem so I uninstalled KB4512941 and waited for MS to fix it. When I saw their claim that they did fix it I fully updated Win10 1903 yesterday and do not have the issue now.

          Don’t know what “gborn’s fix” is.

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          • #1948482 Reply

            anonymous

            Hi TweakHound, there is a glitch in the WordPress package that drops the tail end …post-#1948162 from the link Woody tried to show you.

            Please scroll down this page to find a Reply #1948162 by an MVP named gborn. He has more information and another link of his own. This is the information Woody hoped to show you.

            • #1949368 Reply

              TweakHound
              AskWoody Lounger

              Ah, thanks!
              For me, this fix wasn’t needed as KB4515384 fixed the issue and did not cause any side effects. (FYI Bing search is and has always been disabled on my rig).

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          • #1948495 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Fixed the link in Woody’s post.

    • #1948150 Reply

      IndyPilot80
      AskWoody Lounger

      Confirmed on my end. Installed on a workstation, search broken. Uninstalled, search was fine. Tried installing again from a direct download instead of our WSUS server and after a sfc /scannow, search broken. Uninstalled, but, this time clicking the start button gave a “Critical Error: Your Start menu isn’t working. We’ll try to fix it the next time you sign in.” after it was uninstalled.

      Had to do a restore on the workstation from a recent backup.

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      • #1948187 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        When you say “Search broken,” what exactly does that mean? There were two different Search problems reported with KB 4512941.

    • #1948162 Reply

      gborn
      AskWoody_MVP

      From what I got as feedback from my readers is: Some says it’s fixed. But I got other reports, that if Bing isn’t enabled, the search won’t work.

      Within my blog post Patchday: Windows 10 Updates (September 10, 2019) I gave the hint, if the users has used the cache workaround, to open an administrative command prompt window and execute sfc /scannow. The background: This system file check repairs the Cortana cache folder files – so that the script is able to be executed. Some users confirmed that it works. Will monitor this thread, whether there are users confirming or decline that workaround.

      It’s distinct from what IndyPilot80 wrote above. Personally I havent had the time to investigate.

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    • #1948164 Reply

      anonymous

      Mine seems to be ok

    • #1948195 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      Pushing this now so I’ll report my findings in the near future.

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

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      • #1948213 Reply

        Mr. Natural
        AskWoody Plus

        No issues on my pc and seems to be working fine. I’ve asked my fellow I.T. people to install the update and report back. If I come across any issues I will check back in.

        One thing I did note is after the update the Settings app on the start menu would not fully open until I did a second reboot. At first the Settings window opened but only showed an icon in the middle of the window. None of the options loaded in the window. Second reboot fixed it.

        Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

        • #1948397 Reply

          Mr. Natural
          AskWoody Plus

          FYI – I changed our group policy to now allow “apps to run in the background” in order to avoid any issues with Windows Apps not working properly in the future, and to be on board with others for testing purposes.

          Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

    • #1948202 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Search and Start work fine for me with yesterday’s KB4515384 installed (but they did with last month’s KB4512941 too).

      The only people having issues with either are those who have used unofficial registry tweaks.

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      • #1948224 Reply

        TweakHound
        AskWoody Lounger

        What is an “unofficial registry tweak”?

        • #1948229 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          One that is not recommended or documented by Microsoft.

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          • #1948258 Reply

            TweakHound
            AskWoody Lounger

            You can’t just make stuff up and put it in the registry. If you can make or edit a registry setting the ability to do that is there for a reason.

            Unlike the XP and Windows 7 days, most settings are no longer documented. I don’t know why, staff cuts maybe?

            • #1948304 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              You can’t just make stuff up and put it in the registry.

              Sure you can. Programs do it all the time.

              If you can make or edit a registry setting the ability to do that is there for a reason.

              You can make or edit any registry setting, but changing most will break something.

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          • #1948265 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            https://www.computerworld.com/article/3436776/time-to-install-the-august-windows-patches-but-watch-out-for-the-bugs.html:

            This isn’t a fringe case. Microsoft has encountered so many complaints about searching the web in Windows Desktop Search that they published a Knowledge Base article with step-by-step instructions for disabling it. If you followed those instructions, and installed the second monthly cumulative update, part of your machine is redlining.

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            • #1948288 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              This isn’t a fringe case.
              …they published a Knowledge Base article with step-by-step instructions for disabling it

              If a computer has no Internet access and has the option configured to disallow the Web Platform APIs from using AppCache …, Desktop Search doesn’t work.”

              I’d call that a fringe case.

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            • #1949460 Reply

              woody
              Da Boss

              The official announcements I’ve seen say:

              This issue only occurs on devices that have disabled searching the web using Windows Desktop Search.

              Nothing about being disconnected from the web and — given the magnitude of the problem and volume of reports — I highly doubt that’s a component.

    • #1948210 Reply

      RyuzakiL
      AskWoody Lounger

      Mine is having some error launching certain programs after the update (O&O ShutUp10 app doesn’t launch, and others.)

      Oh well. This is a learned experience. 🙁

    • #1948221 Reply

      anonymous

      Everything works fine here.

      I enabled BingSearch to solve the problem with the previous (optional) update. After the recent update I disabled BingSearch again and everything works fine now.

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      • #1948267 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        That appears to be the easiest solution. I think.

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        • #1948286 Reply

          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          well woody I guess the searchui.exe problem is not fixed 100% with kb4515384

          maybe Liam Tung of ZDNet was right after all when he said this in his article almost a week ago:

          Microsoft estimates a resolution will be available in mid-September, so it will probably not be fixed by the upcoming Patch Tuesday on September 10, but by a subsequent optional cumulative update.

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      • #1948377 Reply

        LHiggins
        AskWoody Plus

        I have a couple of questions about enabling/disabling Cortana and Bing Search. I may have painted myself into a corner with these updates, and wanted to just see how to proceed.

        I am running Win 10 Pro v 1903. I have the updates set in the Group Policy Editor to defer/pause for 30 days, so I am now a month behind on the August updates. I am expecting to see them on Sept. 13?

        When I set this computer up – 2 months old – I disabled Cortana and local Bing Searches in the policy editor and in 0&0 Shutup. I didn’t run into the high usage issue since I have yet to do the August updates, but it appears I will when those updates become available and the “fix” in the September updates won’t be immediately offered since it is deferred 30 days now also.

        My questions then are:
        1. Should I enable Cortana and the Bing search before I download the August update? If so – how will I do that? (I think I know but it would be good to have that confirmed.) And then disable them after I eventually get the September update that is supposed to fix it?
        2. Or should I use WUSHOWHIDE to hide the optional August update that led to this high usage issue till the September updates are offered?
        3. Or hide them all and wait for the all clear from Woody?
        4. Or unpause(?) the September updates and get them right after the August ones are offered?
        5. Or – something else?

        This will really only be the second time I’ve gotten the monthly updates on this laptop – July’s were deferred till the beginning of August, and the August/September ones have not appeared yet.

        I appreciate any guidance anyone might offer. I know that most of you are on to the September updates and have already dealt with the Cortana issue, but since I am getting these late, I am only now trying to figure out how to confront it.

        Thanks so much!

        LH

        • #1948380 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          If it were MY computer, I would hide the Aug and Sept updates and just wait.
          But you will have to make that decision.

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          • #1948385 Reply

            LHiggins
            AskWoody Plus

            I am inclined to do just that since there seems to still be quite a bit of turmoil about these updates.

            So can they all be hidden using WUSHOWHIDE once I see them – they aren’t yet listed anywhere yet. Can I do them all at once – or the August ones at least, and then do the Sept ones once they are offered? And I guess if I miss hiding something I can always uninstall it, correct?

            When it is “safe” again – whenever that will be – what will the proper procedure be then – get them all at once, or in groups?

            Thanks for the quick reply – I am still so cautious with that new laptop! And I just finished last month’s nerve-wracking Win 7 updates over the weekend on the old computers – will probably be glad when Jan 2020 comes and I am not facing updates to 3 computer – LOL! Glad my Linux experiment is going well since that is hopefully my go to replacement for at least one of the Win 7s.

            Thanks again. 🙂

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            • #1948392 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              You can hide them (or try to) when they show up. Don’t think you can do it before.
              The updates (CUs) are CUMULATIVE, so whenever, you will only need the latest one

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            • #1948394 Reply

              LHiggins
              AskWoody Plus

              You can hide them (or try to) when they show up. Don’t think you can do it before.
              The updates (CUs) are CUMULATIVE, so whenever, you will only need the latest one

              Thanks! I wonder which one that will finally be – LOL!

          • #1949487 Reply

            LHiggins
            AskWoody Plus

            Quick question – and please forgive my angst over this! Can I install the first August update – KB4512508 – are there any issues with that one? I’ve looked back over many discussions to see its status, and can’t find issues with that one at this point. It is now showing in my WUSHOWHIDE list – not actually in my update list.

            Is that one OK to get?

            Thanks!

            LH

            • #1949520 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The big problem with that one is it broke VB6, VBA and VBScript. If that doesn’t affect you, it would see you could go ahead and install.
              Have you read Woody’s ComputerWorld article with the guidance for Win 10 1903?

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            • #1949672 Reply

              LHiggins
              AskWoody Plus

              I’m not sure that the VB6, VBA and VBScript issue affects me.

              I have read several of Woody’s articles – seems that his advice on this is to install KB4512508 for the security issues but know that there can be those VB issues.

              Since that one should come “alone” tomorrow after my deferral, I guess it might be wise to install it – but skip the Cortana/search issue one when I see that one later in the month.

              Any specific article that you were referring to? I think I’ve read them all that relate to this update round starting with 8/30. And I do always make a system image and create a restore point before attempting any updates.

              Thanks so much!

            • #1949682 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The one I was referring to was the one he publishes when he increases the DEFCON number.

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    • #1948344 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      ANOTHER UPDATE: Mayank Parmar at Windows Latest lists these and other bugs.

      “Again, a small number of users are experiencing this problem.”
      https://www.windowslatest.com/2019/09/11/windows-10-kb4515384-issues/

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    • #1948361 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Will please all Windows 10 insiders who have tested Microsoft’s OS/updates step forward ?

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      • #1948363 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        (19h2) or (20h1)? Which of the Builds – there are so many now days?

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      • #1948368 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Most updates for current versions are not tested by any Insiders.

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      • #1948585 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        IMHO insiders are not true beta testers of patches to released products.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #1948511 Reply

      Declan
      AskWoody Lounger

      I don’t know if this is a related glitch or not … a month ago I woke up to find my Win 10 Pro-1803 upgraded to 1903 without asking me. It just did it in the middle of the night even though I had all the brakes set to avoid it. From that moment on I cannot have more than two or three browser tabs open without pushing the CPU level to 100% and staying there. I’m using Brave, Firefox, and Chrome, and it happens with all three. Once I back down to one or two tabs, the CPU level drops to 65-90%. With no browser it stays around 25%. Prior to the jump to 1903 it rarely ever pushed past 85-90% unless I was trying to do a lot of things at once. I thought these two issues might be related, but I have no idea. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

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      • #1948539 Reply

        JimmyJames
        AskWoody Plus

        This seems to be a long standing issue for a few folks but unrelated to the search issue, except for being in the realm of “annoying things Windows 10 arbitrarily does”.

        On this note, I am 1803 on metered and somehow when I’ve allowed Defender to update on metered it switched my Pause Updates to Don’t Pause Updates completely arbitrarily, so to get the August Cum. updates I had to press the dreaded “Check for Updates”. Which happily didn’t force me (phew), but still only ‘Recommends’ I upgrade to 1903. I have never had Defender switch anything on the general Updates settings before. I expect anything from Windows now having had a ton of glitches with every friggin version of 10 I’ve had, but that honestly caught me off guard. I hadn’t checked Updates since I turned on Pause (for 30 days) last month so I cant say which time that occurred, only sometime in the last month of the few times of deliberately allowing Defender to update on metered. Course now I second guess myself that it was me who messed up even though I only go to Updates once a month… Stockholm Syndrome for Windows 10 users.

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        • #1948734 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          Pause updates is automatically switched off when the selected date for your 30-day limit is reached.

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          • #1949519 Reply

            JimmyJames
            AskWoody Plus

            Ha, you’re right the gap was over 30 days, just never went that long before. Thanks, b!

            Curious, the 30 day “dial” was still set to 30 days, wouldn’t that “zero” out when Pause was turned off automatically?

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            • #1949715 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Yes, it would. So what did you actually see that made you say, “it switched my Pause Updates to Don’t Pause Updates” (as Windows 10 never says “Don’t Pause Updates” in those words).

              Are you definitely taking about Pause updates, not Defer quality updates on the Pro edition?

              (The maximum for Pause updates is 35 days, but for Defer quality updates it’s only 30 days.)

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            • #1949874 Reply

              JimmyJames
              AskWoody Plus

              Yes “defer quality updates” in Pro for 30 days (which I usually set after Pausing).

              After every monthly ‘Woody approved’ update I just unpause, roll the 30 days back to 0 and let it update without pressing Check for Updates. Then I Pause again, then roll the pause delay up to the 30 day max and that’s that. This time on monday Sept 9, I went to unpause and it was already unpaused on it’s own, but the 30 day still showed 30 days. My last updates were August 3, so I figured maybe you were right it just unpaused on it’s own, but it didn’t 0 the delay it was still set at 30 days. I never got the second batch of August updates only the ones on Aug 3 I deliberately went for.

              Would it block them if the 30 days delay was set but not Pause? All this time I’ve assumed I need both to be safe. It was from Aug 3 to Sept 9, so it was 37 days. But if Pause was off all that time and yet delay was still set to 30 days it makes no sense I didn’t get the 2nd Cum updates and the delay didn’t ‘0’ out once the 30 days from the 3rd elapsed.

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      • #1948703 Reply

        warrenrumak
        AskWoody Plus

        Make sure you have the newest drivers for your video card.  If you have multiple GPUs (e.g. onboard Intel + discrete NVidia or AMD), then get the latest drivers for both.

        I’ve seen two different 1903 systems behave really weirdly (and slowly) with web browsers when using older graphics drivers.  Neither exhibited the exact issue you’re describing, but web browsers depend a lot on having updated drivers because of how they use hardware acceleration.

        Hope that works.

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    • #1949391 Reply

      MWmC
      AskWoody Plus

      Good morning. I never experienced the redlining problem, but i did have one instance of the search button [i.e. magnifying glass to the right of the Windows icon] doing nothing. I fixed that by ending the Cortana task in task manager; after which it restarted without the problem recurring.

      I installed the latest updates yesterday [being brave], and after 7 or 8 hours of hard use, i have not encountered any problems with these updates.

      [relatively new PC; HP Omen with AMD Ryzen 7 8-core processor; NVidia GeForce GTX 1070; in the past, i’ve noticed that update problems become more frequently as my tech ages and hardware components are not updated as often]

    • #1949758 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      check out the comments posted in this recent Neowin article (near the bottom):
      https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-has-broken-the-start-menu-and-desktop-search-with-latest-windows-10-update

      • #1949911 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        They sound like me! 😄

        Or maybe, as turned out to be the case with the previous high CPU usage “bug” with Search, this only affects people who have modified their registry in some way so as to disable native behavior.

        My money is on the use of ShutUp10 or similar being the real culprit. In which case, it’s the user who broke the system.

        Was about to type almost the same answer, I don’t mess with anything on my machines and all 3 are working perfectly.

        I think the major problems caused by updates for Windows 10, are caused by manufacturers putting cr*p-ware on them, and third party software to turn all the tracking c**p off.

        No issues here, and I’m with others above, this “bug” is probably hitting people who have screwed with something on their own that MS doesn’t take into account.

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