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      • #2338889
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        Youtube video here If you are still running Windows 10 1909 I’m recommending that you move onto 2004 or 20H2.  I’ve been running both platforms both a
        [See the full post at: Tasks for the Weekend – January 30, 2021]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2338931
        TJ
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks, @SB.
        I’m still on 1909 and want to set TRV to 2004 in order to update.
        However, we’re still on DEFCON 2, so what about ‘KB4598242 – 2021-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 2004’? It will probably be included when updating to Version 2004.

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      • #2338957
        Graham
        AskWoody Plus

        2004 or 20H2? Is there any particular reason, given that 20H2 is a relatively small change from 2004, not to go straight to 20H2 from 1909 and save yourself a further upgrade hassle?

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        TJ
        • #2338959
          TJ
          AskWoody Plus

          Opinions on this from our MVP’s would be welcome.

          (KB4598242 is also for 20H2, by the way)

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          • #2339323
            anonymous
            Guest

            Why move from 1909 when a) its still supported. b) works just fine

            • #2339450
              blackbox
              AskWoody Plus

              I’d imagine for the majority of this site’s audience (those not participating in Enterprise, Education, and IoT Enterprise licensing) Windows 10 1909 will reach EOL in a few months (05/11/21).

              With the move only a few months away it doesn’t seem unreasonable to look into the 1909 to 2004/20H2 migration process.

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        • #2343498
          Graham
          AskWoody Plus

          I decided to answer my own question: with a full image backup in hand, and a secondary PC (W7 ESU) ready to take over if the update failed or caused problems, I went to 20H2 from 1909.

          The update went well, if rather slower than I expected. There have been some minor problems, chiefly some settings which reverted to defaults – though that problem does seem to have lessened as W10 feature updates have evolved.

          The most irritating problem is that shortly after booting, I get a pop-up asking to assign a program for this file. In the long tradition of useless Windows messages, it gives no hint what “this” file might be, nor what is causing it to ask! It seems to list almost all installed programs as possibilities. I did allow it to use Notepad to open it once, and that claimed the file was C:\Windows\system32\NULL. That file does not actually exist – presumably something has either failed to figure out a file name and has come up with NULL instead, or something is trying to pipe output to nul and misspelled it.

          • #2343503
            b
            AskWoody MVP

            The most irritating problem is that shortly after booting, I get a pop-up asking to assign a program for this file. In the long tradition of useless Windows messages, it gives no hint what “this” file might be, nor what is causing it to ask! It seems to list almost all installed programs as possibilities. I did allow it to use Notepad to open it once, and that claimed the file was C:\Windows\system32\NULL. That file does not actually exist – presumably something has either failed to figure out a file name and has come up with NULL instead, or something is trying to pipe output to nul and misspelled it.

            If that happens at every boot, check the Startup tab of Task Manager for any old or strange entries. Right-click and disable any possible culprit to test on next restart.

            • #2343733
              Graham
              AskWoody Plus

              Oh, I’ve been through all that stuff, and searched my own source code and scripts. I have used procmon too, and that, while inconclusive, does suggest it may be Lenovo’s Vantage tool. It’s really odd that it never did it previously.

              • #2343763
                Paul T
                AskWoody MVP

                List all the startup things with Sysinternals Autoruns.
                Look for any command line that has an odd character in “C:\Windows\system32\”

                cheers, Paul

      • #2338963
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        I’ve had 20H2 installed on my development workstation for just over a month now. This is a big desktop computer system I use professionally and very heavily, from software development to graphics work to product testing to virtualization to video conferencing to instant messaging and eMail to business management and more.

        I’d say in general I agree with the advice to just move to 20H2. It’s been out a while and it’s pretty stable.

        That’s not to say it’s been perfect. I had a glitch just after installing the latest nVidia display driver that ended up in the first unplanned crash/reboot I’ve had with Windows 10 in about a year. I can attribute that to testing alternate driver antialiasing settings trying to eke out more performance. Returning to the default antialiasing setting resulted in perfectly stable operation afterward.

        The only other failures I’ve had are with software under test – i.e., product failures or crashes due to problems in the product itself (one of my hats is Automation Quality Engineer).

        My only other comment is that Windows 10 20H2 is pretty much the most bloated version Microsoft has ever released, running an unprecedented number of processes just to support an empty desktop, and soaking up virtually all the extra power this modern dual Xeon workstation has as compared to my older ones from the last generation running e.g., Windows 8.1.

        But I’m not sorry I upgraded to 20H2. If you have good computer power, I’d say go for it!

        -Noel

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        • #2339022
          Bill C.
          AskWoody Plus

          Just a quick question on the nVidia driver installs under Win10 20H2> Does it give you the option of NOT installing the Gforce Experience part of the driver?

          Thanks

          • #2339026
            Kathy Stevens
            AskWoody Lounger

            We install the most recent drivers from the nVidia support page where you can select the option you want to install .

          • #2339066
            Noel Carboni
            AskWoody_MVP

            I only install drivers I’ve downloaded directly from nVidia.com, and I have a Quadro card, so the question doesn’t directly apply. However, in my case (Quadro driver installer) yes, one can choose to just install the driver itself, and none of the several “fluff” components.

            On the subject of nVidia… Are others seeing this option? IMO enabling it seems to make Windows a tiny bit smoother to use.

            ScreenGrab_CarboniPC_2021_01_31_160647

            -Noel

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            • #2339940
              rexr
              AskWoody Plus

              Yes, on a GTX-1080 my Hardware-Accelerated GPU scheduling is “On”.

              But with an old GTX-960M (laptop) the option is not offered. Maybe it is only for newer Nvidia GPUs. I use the GeForce experience to update with and take the whole package offered to both machines. I don’t notice a different feel with Windows either way but haven’t benchmarked.

              You’re flying higher with a Quadro  🙂

               

              Win10 Pro 20H2 19042.746
              Backups with Macrium Reflect home edition
        • #2339543
          Irene
          AskWoody Plus

          Thank you for your help ahead of time.

          I have a windows 10 Home and finally in January was offered version 1909.  I am not being offered 2004 or 20H2.  As a simple user who doesn’t trust herself changing a registry for TRV.  I don’t have a robust machine.  I mainly use my MacBook and am just keeping Windows 10 uptodate for a need for the near future.

          I am being offered besides the MSRT:

          4535680 Security update win 10 1909 for x64 based systems….

          4598301 2021-01 Cum. update preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 …

          4023057 2020-10 Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64 …

          4598229 2021-01 Cum. Update for Windows 10 ver 1909 for x64 based…

          I have had difficulty getting the mini tool to work for version updates.

          I assume I should just install MSRT and the last update listed the 4598229 the cumulative update for Windows 10 ver 1909.  Is that correct?

          I do not know how to get MS to push me a more recent update if today’s search for updates didn’t produce it.

          Thanks again!

          • #2339805
            The Surfing Pensioner
            AskWoody Plus

            Hi Irene, I’m no techy but I don’t know why you’re not being offered 2004 – my W10 Home Dell laptop decided to upgrade to 2004 a couple of weeks ago without any encouragement from me! I guess the first thing you need to establish is whether your machine has the capacity to upgrade to 2004. You say it’s not robust machine; I wonder why it took until January for WU to offer you 1909 – most peoples have been running it for months! There may be a good reason why WU is slow to offer you new feature updates. Having said that, I have just used the brilliant little reg. file for 2004 Susan has provided in her article

            Tasks for the Weekend – January 30, 2021

            to set the Target Release Version on my laptop to remain on 2004 for the time being, and it was so easy to install I barely had to think about it – the process is totally idiot-proof. Now I know I am secure on 2004 until I choose to upgrade to 20H2. When you’re sure your machine is ready for the upgrade, why not give it a go?

          • #2339809
            PKCano
            Manager

            I have had difficulty getting the mini tool to work for version updates.

            This may be your problem both with the late offering of the Jan update for 1909 and the failure of 2004/20H2 being offered.
            You should look at your settings in the mini tool and see if you are blocking the Feature Update to 2004 and/or delaying/pausing the Jan updates for 1909.

            Another possibility is, if you have used the Windows PowerShell Commands mentioned in AKB2000016  to set TRV to 1909. That would hold you at that version.

            The Home Edition has very little Windows Update controls other than Metered Connections and Pause. If you are not using Pause, you should have been offered the Jan CU. Of the updates you mentioned, you should install all but KB4023057.

            • #2339825
              Irene
              AskWoody Plus

              Thank you for the answers PKCano and the Surfing Pensioner.

              As far as I know I am not using the MS Mini tool.  I downloaded it ages ago, and never used it.

              I do use the WUMT (Windows Update Mini Tool), in conjunction with the Windows Update Blocker v. 1.1.

              As far as I know I have never done anything to block or hide the feature update, nor have ever paused updates.

              In all honesty I don’t know what power shell command Windows Power Shell Commands in the AKB2000016  are.  Before I switched to MacBook at the end of  2016 after being disgusted with MS Win 10, I really lost interest in trying to teach myself about Windows.  I just followed the simplest directions here on what to install and when it was safe, and I used the spreadsheets Susan said nobody liked.  I will install the updates you mentioned except KB4023057 and keep KB4023057 hidden.

              Does the following sound wise? Should I then do an update search through the actual Windows Update and not just use the UWMT?

              Surfer Pensioner, I just don’t trust myself getting into the registry.  It would be to me, like a stranger messing around with the mass spectrometer or X-Ray Fluorescence machine I used to use.

              • #2339826
                PKCano
                Manager

                I do use the WUMT (Windows Update Mini Tool), in conjunction with the Windows Update Blocker v. 1.1.

                You need to check the settings in these apps and be sure they are not blocking Feature Updates. After you check, if you are not using them, you should uninstall them, because it’s possible that settings you don’t realize are there can cause problems .

                Another place you can look is in Control Panel->Device Manager. If you have Conexant drivers under Sound/Audio they can be blocking the upgrade to 2004. There is more information on this in the two threads here and here.

              • #2339880
                Irene
                AskWoody Plus

                The Windows Update Blocker and Windows Update Mini Tool are not doing anything visibly to block any updates.

                Under Audio inputs. and outputs I have for Microphone and Speaker/HP (Realtek High Definition Audio).  It’s the same Realtek device under Sound, Video and Game controllers.  Thus, no Conexant anything, not even under System Devices, etc.

                My system is a windows 10 Ver. 1909 64 bit with an Intel Core i3-5020u CPU @ 2.20 GHz 2019 GHz

                The only thing I have added to it other than the two tools mentioned above is the Classic Shell Start Menu

                After installing all updates, I checked with the Windows Update and checked my system.

                It is not offering me 2004, nor does it show up as an update.

                However it is offering me, if I click download and install, 20H2.

                Because my system seems to be skipping over Ver 2002, should I just wait until AskWoody says to go to 20H2?

                Thank you!

              • #2339833
                The Surfing Pensioner
                AskWoody Plus

                Irene, the whole point is that you don’t have to get into the registry! I shouldn’t have wanted to go and  play in the registry, either. The reg. file does that for you; installing it is easier than installing a standalone update, so neither of us has to risk a typo in the registry. Everything is pre-set and all I had to do was to click “Yes” and O.K.” If you change your mind afterwards, there is another little reg. file which will remove the settings and reset everything to where it was before. I have been absolutely delighted with these panic-resolving gizmos

                 

              • #2339882
                Irene
                AskWoody Plus

                Surfing Pensioner,  Thank you for the information.  I did the 1909 updates and now I am being offered if I want (It’s not an update), but I can click download and install 20H2.

                I will look into this more deeply.  What you write makes it sound easy and see what I can do.  I will do it a little later.

                I will let you know.

      • #2338968
        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi Susan, this is really helpful. Are you saying that I can just download the reg. file for 2004 from the link you have so kindly provided, install it on my Windows 10 Home laptop (which recently upgraded to 2004 without my permission!) and that way remain on 2004 until I’m ready to move to 20H2? That would be too cool!

        • #2338970
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          That is exactly how it works.

          There is a chance that once 2004 gets to EOS, it may be updated regardless of the TRV, but that is a fair way down the road.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2338971
            The Surfing Pensioner
            AskWoody Plus

            Oh, don’t worry, I’d download the next one before 2004 gets to EOL! But in that case these reg. files Susan has provided have really sorted the problem for me. I don’t even need to risk a senior moment whilst editing the registry! Thanks so much.

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      • #2338972
        TJ
        AskWoody Plus

        Apart from Noel’s findings on version 20H2, I see a mixed bag of success stories and problems online. I will go for 2004 for now.

        So, what about Susan’s advice to upgrade to 2004/20H2 and subsequently January Cumulative Update KB4598242 despite being on DEFCON 2?

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        • #2338994
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          We’re going to be flipping to Defcon 4 tonight/tomorrow.  I’m just waiting for the newsletter to go out (sorry timing of publishing)

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2338998
            TJ
            AskWoody Plus

            No sorry needed, Susan. This is supposed to be your weekend (meaning: mere mortals have a few days off).
            Thank you, PKCano and MVP’s for always giving support.

      • #2338984
        John
        AskWoody Plus

        I updated to 20H2 from 1909 on Jan 11th, just before patch Tuesday and got December 8th updates. Took a little while to install, but no problems (yet) and I’ve used pretty much all the range of apps I use since then.

        Dell Inspiron 7580 i7 16GB Win 10 pro

      • #2338987
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I updated from 1909 to 2004 on Oct. 31 and “jumped” to 20H2 3 days later on Nov. 3 with no problems with both updates.

      • #2338991
        Kathy Stevens
        AskWoody Lounger

        On some of our HP workstations we are still running Windows 10 Pro, Version 1909, OS Build 18363.1316 and receiving the 2004 update message,

        “The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. Once it’s ready for your device, you’ll see the update available on this page.”

        Given the above, is there a way to move to 2004 or 20H2 and if so how?

         

        • #2338993
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          Does it have a conexant audio by any chance?

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2339000
            Kathy Stevens
            AskWoody Lounger

            The HP’s configuration is as follows:

            Processor                                            Intel Core i7-8700

            Memory                                              16 GB  Type: DDR4-2666

            Video graphics                                   NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (3 GB)

            Sound/Audio                                     Integrated audio    Audio Codec: CX20642-31Z – High Definition (Azalia) 5.1 channel audio support

            Supplemental Sound app              ANDREA Audiocomander

            Networking                                        Integrated Bluetooth 4.2 and Wireless LAN 802.11a/b/g/n/ac featuring Dual-band (2.4 GHz and 5.0 GHz) 2 x 2 technology

            Drives                                 2.0 TB Western Digital SSD C drive

            2.0 TB Western Digital SATA D drive

            • #2339039
              Susan Bradley
              Manager

              I would go to the HP web site and ensure all drivers and bios are up to date.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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              • #2339532
                Kathy Stevens
                AskWoody Lounger

                While searching the HP support site for current drivers for the problem HP ENVY 795-0050, I discovered that there is a Conexant High-Definition (HD) Audi installed on the system.

                I assume that the driver is the reason we can not move to Windows 2004.

                Will review this thread for a work around of the problem and get back if I can not find a solution.

                Thank you Susan

              • #2339548
                Kathy Stevens
                AskWoody Lounger

                Just found the following workaround for the compatibility issue between Windows 2004 and Conexant audio drivers at  https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/100175/no-windows-10-version-2004-update.html    .

                • From Device Manager, select Sound, video and game controllers
                • Right-click on Conexant Smart Audio and select Update driver
                • Click on Browse my computer for drivers (not search automatically)
                • Let it use the default path and select “let me pick from a list…”
                • You should have a Microsoft HD Audio driver or something similar to that listed – click on that

                “Now you don’t have Conexant drivers active – you can run the update with no issues! The only reason you’re blocked from updating is because it detects those Conexant drivers. If you use the MS drivers instead, the problem has been resolved! I went from 1909 directly to 20H2 using the Windows Assistant manual install and I had absolutely no problems at all! Conexant drivers get automatically reinstalled!”

                Any thoughts about using this approach to upgrading from Windows 10 Pro to 2004?

              • #2339577
                b
                AskWoody MVP

                Looks like a good plan to me. It’s really just a shorter version of what Susan recommended in today’s newsletter:

                If you are in this boat, I’d recommend proactively removing the Conexant audio driver and attempting the upgrade once the driver is removed. To do this, follow the instructions here.

                The consensus seems to be that you just need to replace the Conexant driver with a Microsoft driver in order to clear the hurdle, but only during the feature update process.

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              • #2339914
                Kathy Stevens
                AskWoody Lounger

                Re conexant audio issues and Windows 2004.

                I am going to take the approach of if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The computer is working fine why mess it up?

                Windows 10 Version 1909 is good until May. Hopefully there will be a fix for conexant audio issue before the end of 1909’s life.

              • #2339922
                Susan Bradley
                Manager

                https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004#377msgdesc

                Keep an eye on that but for now their workaround is to let it fail and try again.

                Workaround: To mitigate the safeguard, you might need to check with your device manufacturer (OEM) to see if an updated driver is available and install it. If updated drivers are not available for your device and you are offered Windows 10, version 2004 or Windows 10, version 20H2, a small number of devices might roll back to the previous version of Windows 10 when attempting to update. If this occurs, you should attempt to update to Windows 10, version 2004 or Windows 10, version 20H2 again.
                Next steps: Microsoft and Synaptics are working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release. As of January 14, 2021, we are adjusting this safeguard to allow certain devices with the affected driver to update to Windows 10, version 2004 or Windows 10, version 20H2.”

                Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2339942
            Kathy Stevens
            AskWoody Lounger

            We purchased the HP ENVY Desktop – 795-0050 new on 2/26/2019 and we run HP Support Assistant in the background at all times so we expect that its software and drivers are always up to date.

            However, just to see if it makes a difference, we downloaded and installed the ENVY’s Conexant High-Definition (HD) Audio Driver (Windows 10 v1709/v1803), 8.65.282.54 Rev.A dated Jul 17, 2019 to see if it makes a difference.

            We will now wait and see if we are pushed to 2004 or 20H2.

        • #2338997
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          Documentation from MSFT for conexant audio issues on 2004/ 20H2

      • #2339004
        TJ
        AskWoody Plus

        After setting TRV to ‘2004’, Minitool is giving my 1909 Pro updates 4023057 and 4598229.
        4023057 causes Error 0x80240016.
        Do I need that one, or can I go for the 4598229 Upgrade 2004 immediatly?

        • #2339013
          TJ
          AskWoody Plus

          Never mind. I don’t seem to need it. I’ll install 4598229 (downloaded from MS Catalog).

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      • #2339031
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Just a quick question on the nVidia driver installs under Win10 20H2> Does it give you the option of NOT installing the Gforce Experience part of the driver?

        Thanks

        Geforce Experience is software that is used to check and install the latest Nvidia drivers (manually/automatically).
        You can download drivers manually from Nvidia URL.

        For Windows 10 you need the DCH drivers ‘Game Ready’ or ‘Studio Driver’

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      • #2339034
        STBC Mapper
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m surprised to see a go-ahead for the January Windows Updates given they include KB4598242 and KB4598229 per my next-up Feature update from v1809 (don’t yell at me, I’ve had issues with Feature Updates!) to v1909, my current limit set by TargetReleaseVersion.

        My hesitation is driven by the dire warnings given in this report: “Windows 10: PCs not booting up after latest update” (i.e. KB4598242 and KB4598229),
        https://www.komando.com/downloads/windows-pcs-not-booting/774835/?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=windows&utm_content=2021-01-22

        I see in the previous replies in this thread that others have similar concerns, so how about some good words to boost our confidence? My slow Internet connection leads to a 5 hour download for a feature update plus another hour or so to install, so I am reluctant to bite the bullet and risk having to recover to my earlier version.

        • #2339037
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          All computers at the office, at home, at co-workers homes, all patched fine.  Not seeing issues in the enterprises in their patching.  Every month will have corner cases.   If you are still on 1809 you aren’t protected anymore.  I honestly don’t anticipate issues for the majority of patchers.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2339093
          PKCano
          Manager

          Please make a full disk image of your computer and a data backup BEFORE you start so you have something to go back to.

          • #2339145
            Latka
            AskWoody Plus

            make a full disk image of your computer and a data backup BEFORE you start

            I need assistance in translation.  The EaseUS Todo Backup Free 13.0 utility offers several backup options:

            1. Disk/Partition Backup
            2. System Backup
            3. File Backup

            Which of these options would perform a “full disk image” backup?

            For “data backup” would I choose the File Backup (option 3)?

            • #2339211
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              Assuming you only have one disk, perform a Disk Backup, then upgrade.

              cheers, Paul

              • #2339430
                MarkF
                AskWoody Plus

                I guess i have the same question for Macrium… I routinely do the

                “Create an image of the partition(s) required to backup and restore Windows”

                and I have the Macrium recovery environment option each time I restart.

                My other option in Macrium is similar to the OP

                ”Image selected disks on this computer”

                I only have the main SSD disk in the computer.

                Do I just image the whole disk on an external removable drive?

                thanks,

                -Mark

                 

      • #2339127
        anonymous
        Guest

        If the registry value is set at 2004, can I use the 20H2 script to overwrite it, or I have to reset it first before applying the 20H2 script?

        • #2339133
          PKCano
          Manager

          If you are using PowerShell commands or the .reg files, both will overwrite whatever is there.

      • #2339137
        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        Still not being offered 2004 or 20H2 due to the Conexant sound drivers block. I cannot believe that we are approaching EOL for 1909 and this has not been resolved. Does anyone have any idea what would cause this?

        I am getting closer to forcing the update, but if a fix is actually right around the corner.

        Dell has washed their hands of this. They don’t believe it’s their problem.

        • #2339139
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          I discuss this in the Plus newsletter coming out.  You either need to attempt to install it, it will roll back and then you try it a second time, or you remove the audio drivers which are blocking it.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2339141
            howardagoldberg
            AskWoody Plus

            I look forward to reading it! Of course, it would still be better if MS and Conexant could get their act together on this after nearly a year!

        • #2339140
          PKCano
          Manager

          IF you make a full disk image and a data backup first, you can try this (it has worked for some others).

          Suggest you hide KB4535680 and KB4023057.
          In Device Manager, uninstall the driver (don’t delete it).
          Run Windows Update and allow the update.
          After it completes, if things don’t work right, reinstall the driver.

          MS’s workaround seems to be to let it update and fail, which apparently uninstalls the driver, then retry the update. Same difference as above, but you may lose the driver.

          Ooops, answering the same time as Susan.

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        • #2339353
          CraigS26
          AskWoody Plus

          Still not being offered 2004 or 20H2 due to the Conexant sound drivers block. I cannot believe that we are approaching EOL for 1909 and this has not been resolved. Does anyone have any idea what would cause this? I am getting closer to forcing the update, but if a fix is actually right around the corner. Dell has washed their hands of this. They don’t believe it’s their problem.

          If Howard — has Images made — and wants to pursue 20H2, can he not  use the Update Now button on the 20H2 page below – AS I Did?

          Howard, in DevMgr I UN-installed the Conexant Driver (Don’t Chk Delete Software Box in Dev Mgr) and the 20H2 process apparently Replaced the Same Driver For Me. [Some posted of “Installing the MS Driver” after Conexant Uninstall, and though Not stated, I presumed it was via Update Driver choice in Driver Tab. And, IF you install 20H2 RE-Chk your Settings Allowing MS to Install Drivers and make it a NO if it was changed by the Upgrade. After 20H2, MS Re-installed the Conexant and he had to repeat the Uninstall and Update Driver again. IF your 20H2 driver shows as the Same Driver as mine did, that’s it.]

          Clk’d the — Update Now — button in below link and it was 1,2,3. Took 1.5 hrs – Vs – 50 min to 1909. I tested Audio and Printed a Word doc. I’d go for it IF IMAGES MADE.

          W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 Coffee Lake/ GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

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      • #2339205
        EyesOnWindows
        AskWoody Lounger

        I finally updated straight from 1803 to 20H2 skipping 1809, 1903, 1909, and 2004 entirely on my work system on January 8, 2021. I had updated my test system early last year to 2004 but with all of last year’s drama I just kept putting off any more updating. I made sure 20H2 worked on my test system first, then let Windows update go all out on my work system. So much ado about nothing. Still ignoring Edge entirely and most Microsoft tools these days. Not much changed since 1803. A few icons and fonts used changed, notepad finally shows ‘*’ in the title when the document has changed, I can delete more modern apps without resorting to hijinks, … really nothing to write home about. I haven’t had any problems so far.

        HP Compaq 6000 Pro SFF PC / Windows 10 Pro / 20H2
        Intel®Core™2 “Wolfdale” E8400 3.0 GHz / 8.00 GB
        EyesOnWindows

      • #2339207
        R
        AskWoody Lounger

        Give me one single reason to waste a huge amount of time on upgrading machines here. There is virtually no difference between 1909 and 2004 or higher. Upgrading means uninstalling AV-software and re-installing among some driver-troubles etc. For most users it’s not just a short down time but at least a full afternoon of painstakingly upgrading, re-installing tools, checking all settings and hoping it will all work in the end. Luckily I run on Enterprise nowadays, thanks to working from home etc. It means 1909 will be supported until a few months into next year. By then I will see what I’ll do. Big chance some older systems will not be upgraded at all anymore and reached eol.

        In general, I’d be careful with advising people to upgrade, especially not in the middle of a Covid pandemic where many people work and study from home. If anything goes wrong (upgrading and even updating Windows is always rather risky) those people will be in deep trouble. It’s just not worth it. As said: no really interesting features that are worth the risks.

        Just my thoughts…

        • #2339212
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          The reports here suggest you don’t need to uninstall AV or re-install drivers and that 2004 works well.

          If you have a different experience please tell us the details.

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2339654
            R
            AskWoody Lounger

            Kaspersky (or rather their helpdesk…) keeps informing me that I MUST uninstall their AV-suite before upgrading. Chances that any still installed scanner slows down the upgrade process are high, but also a scanner that is left installed might not work as expected. Or cause bsods. Which indeed I did experience in the past, not only with Kaspersky.

        • #2339226
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          May of 2021 Windows 10 pro stops getting updates for security.  Yes, it’s EXTREMELY important to keep yourself patched.

          Microsoft has not done a bang up job “selling” to us why these are needed.  As Paul indicates, if you have to uninstall your antivirus for it to handle feature releases, you need a new antivirus.  I understand if you have lousy internet speeds that it may take some time, but if you have normal Internet and a decent computer, it honestly not a horrendous issue.

          Do I wish that Microsoft only made these once a year?  Absolutely.  But to say that there’s no good reason at all to install these?  Clearly I need to make this case for you in the newsletter.  Stay tuned.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2339650
            R
            AskWoody Lounger

            Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I understand 1909 is supported until 5/10/22 (as said: I got an enterprise key from my employer since I work from home). That’s what I meant with: give me a good reason to make the jump, this one feature I have to get right now… See also https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-and-education

            And yes, of course I do understand the need for an upgrade when the end of support is nearing. But in my case, that’s over a year in the future. I assume that Microsoft will roll out security patches for every supported version likewise. Otherwise I predict some very angry customers at companies…

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            • #2339673
              Susan Bradley
              Manager

              You are in a different boat.  You get your releases on the reasonable schedule.  Us schmucks in Home and Pro have a shorter support window.  Ours comes due in May of this year.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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              • #2339985
                R
                AskWoody Lounger

                Tnx for the confirmation, you got me worried for a sec… Normally I am also one of those meager and by Microsoft not very valued Pro-users. But last year turned into such a big mess that forceful and risky upgrades of computers here didn’t really fit into the schedule anymore. So that’s why it was solved like this, with an enterprise-license. And I have to say that it gives a tremendous amount of rest and peace of mind. Don’t understand why this is not available for pro-users also. They already paid the extra price, and since enterprise-editions are maintained for years anyway, it would have been a nice gesture if Pro also got the longer term support. Especially now in very uncertain and stressful times.

      • #2339270
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        May of 2021 Windows 10 pro v1909 stops getting updates for security. Yes, it’s EXTREMELY important to keep yourself patched.

        FTFY 🙂 Indeed, v1909 will no longer receive security updates after May 2021 (unless of course MSFT decide to extend it due to the pandemic but, I doubt it)

      • #2339349
        jnmcewen55
        AskWoody Plus

        Does the TRV registry change really work for Windows Home Edition?  I’m reading mostly that it does NOT.  I’ve made the registry changes and will see what happens.  Thanks for posting.

        • #2339466
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          TRV works a treat for Home – all I use.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2339470
        Geo
        AskWoody Plus

        Group A, 1909,  Win 10 Pro. Defender antivirus.   Wasn’t being offered 2004 or 20H2. Set the date from 365  to 0.  Received 20H2.  Since  I still have DSL it took the  overnight to download.  No problems.  Audio OK . Noticed an increase in speed after installing.  Basic user, internet, email and printing. I was a W7 fan so I use Power shell Classic .  All my icons and look stayed the same as before the update.

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        • #2339490
          Geo
          AskWoody Plus

          Forgot to mention. I have the HP EliteDesk computer.

      • #2339485
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        I have the Windows 10 2004 Home version which was upgraded (Feature Upgrade November) by Microsoft from 1909 on my older Toshiba Satellite and Lenovo Yoga (September 2019 build date) and I was trying to do the TRV registry change to keep 2004. When I went through the procedures that Susan said, and looking at the video, once I got to the Windows folder, there was no WindowsUpdate folder? Can somebody help me with this?

        Also after the upgrade to 2004, on the Toshiba Satellite, I get this message every time I log on: Windows cannot access the specified device, path or file. You may not have the appropriate permission to access the item. C:/ProgramFiles/WindowsApps/Microsoft.549981C3F10_2.2101.15643.0_x64_8wekyb3d8bbwe. I tried to take ownership of the file in properties and delete the file but it didn’t work.  In properties it shows as an Unknown File. I would appreciate any assistance concerning this as well?

        Other than that, concerning the Toshiba PC,  since I did the free upgrade from W7 (back when) to W10 1909 and now 2004, I have had no other issues ( since installing W 10) other than the Windows Updates are extremely slower to install than W7 was, and they initially install 100% and then they have to re-install for some reason.

        On the Yoga, I have not had any issues at all. It came with the W10 1903 build and then I upgraded to 1909 and then Microsoft upgraded me to 2004.

        I appreciate what ya’ll do and the help I have received in the past. Thanks!

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        • #2339515
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          TRV is set in the registry, not a folder. Use the REG files supplied by Susan to make the change.

          I get this message every time I log

          It seems you have lost an app from the MS store. Can you see what app is missing / not behaving?

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2339525
            John782
            AskWoody Plus

            TRV is set in the registry, not a folder. Use the REG files supplied by Susan to make the change.

            I get this message every time I log

            It seems you have lost an app from the MS store. Can you see what app is missing / not behaving?

            cheers, Paul

            My bad, Paul. It is not a folder but WindowsUpdate does not show, in the registry, under Windows on either PC.

        • #2339520
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          I get this message every time I log on: Windows cannot access the specified device, path or file. You may not have the appropriate permission to access the item. C:/ProgramFiles/WindowsApps/Microsoft.549981C3F10_2.2101.15643.0_x64_8wekyb3d8bb

          As that’s related to a Windows Store app, you could try the troubleshooter at:

          Start, Settings, Update & Security, Troubleshoot, Additional troubleshooters, Windows Store Apps (at bottom of list).

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      • #2339570
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        TRV is set in the registry, not a folder. Use the REG files supplied by Susan to make the change.

        I get this message every time I log

        It seems you have lost an app from the MS store. Can you see what app is missing / not behaving?

        cheers, Paul

        My bad, Paul. It is not a folder but WindowsUpdate does not show, in the registry, under Windows on either PC.

        I wonder if it because I was forced to download KB4023057, prior to Microsoft moving me to  2004, with their Windows November Feature Update?

         

      • #2339679
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        TRV is set in the registry, not a folder. Use the REG files supplied by Susan to make the change.

        I get this message every time I log

        It seems you have lost an app from the MS store. Can you see what app is missing / not behaving?

        cheers, Paul

        Paul, I did a registry search and I found the WindowsUpdate under [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\ Microsoft/ Windows/Current User/WindowsUpdate.  Any idea why that would be as I have not made any changes to either registry of my two PC’s?

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      • #2339684
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks b and Paul. I found the misbehaving App. It was Cortana. I never have used Cortana and had everything concerning it turned off when I was on 1909. As I had mentioned this had only occurred since the upgrade to 2004.  Since Cortana was in the Unknown folder, I decided to look at my settings for it. I found all settings were off with the exception of Cortana was in the startup menu. After I turned that off, I don’t have the message, ” Windows cannot access the specified device, path or file. You may not have the appropriate permission to access the item” when Windows starts up. Weird I haven’t had this issue with the Lenovo Yoga, but what is normal in life now?  So why shouldn’t I have weird stuff happening concerning my computer experiences.

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      • #2339700
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\ Microsoft/ Windows/Current User/WindowsUpdate

        Paul, I was incorrect on the pathway. It’s [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate . Then it shows only
        Default  REG_SZ   Date
        TraylconStatus  REG_DWORD   0x00000001 (1)

        My bad. Sorry for so much confusion. I should have called it a day, and pursued this tomorrow.

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        • #2339718
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          They have moved registry keys around during the versions, but they will respect other locations in the registry.  If you use the reg key download that should install it in a place that works.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2339764
          PKCano
          Manager

          I think you are looking in the wrong place in the Registry.
          This is the location of the TRV settings.

          HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

          See the second screenshot in #2286499.
          The full path is shown by the top red arrow in the address bar in the screenshot.
          The details are designated by the other red arrows.

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      • #2339736
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Kaspersky (or rather their helpdesk…) keeps informing me that I MUST uninstall their AV-suite before upgrading.

        I use Kaspersky and didn’t uninstall only ‘paused until next restart’ when upgrading from 1809 – 1903 – 1909 – 2004 – 20H2 as Kaspersky uses 20-30% of CPU during the upgrades.

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        • #2339987
          R
          AskWoody Lounger

          Did have some very nasty experiences in the past with virusscanners and feature upgrades, so play it safe nowadays…

      • #2339829
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        I think you are looking in the wrong place in the Registry.
        This is the location of the TRV settings.

        HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

        See the second screenshot in #2286499.
        The full path is shown by the top red arrow in the address bar in the screenshot.
        The details are designated by the other red arrows.

        Thanks PK but when I did a registry key search for HKLM, this is all that came up:  Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\UnattendBackup\HKLMEmailName

        • #2339841
          PKCano
          Manager

          HKLM = HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

          You are looking in the wrong place in the Registry. That’s why you can’t find what you are looking for.
          Don’t use Search in the Registry. It has a tree structure like Explorer.
          See the PICTURE – the second screenshot in #2286499.

      • #2339836
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        They have moved registry keys around during the versions, but they will respect other locations in the registry.  If you use the reg key download that should install it in a place that works.

        Thanks Susan. I thought I knew a little bit about computers, but the more I read about things on here, it shows the less and less and less I know. Are you referring to “Registry Key Jumper” as the download?  Again I appreciate you and everyone else who is affiliated with this site and the expert advice given.

      • #2339892
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I am being offered if I want (It’s not an update), but I can click download and install 20H2.

        Susan recommends moving from 1909 to 2004 or 20H2 (which is a minor update to 2004).

        If you are still running Windows 10 Pro version 1909, it’s time to start planning to move to 2004 or 20H2.

        Remember to create a full image backup before starting the upgrade.

      • #2339926
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        HKLM = HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

        You are looking in the wrong place in the Registry. That’s why you can’t find what you are looking for.
        Don’t use Search in the Registry. It has a tree structure like Explorer.
        See the PICTURE – the second screenshot in #2286499.

        PK, I did exactly what Susan said in the video, from the beginning, but I can’t navigate to  HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate because WindowsUpdate does not exist in that location. All the other Windows entries show (WcmSvc and WorkplaceJoin, etc.), as indicated on the video, but WindowsUpdate does not.

        I don’t know if this happened after the 2004 upgrade by Microsoft, or if it had occurred earlier, or if I even ever had this option on my Windows’ Home Versions . I had no need to go into the Registry, for this purpose, until now so I don’t know what happened or when it occurred. All I know is that WindowsUpdates does not exist in the specified location.

        I know how to add to the Registry, but I don’t know if all the values, etc. would work in this case?  I’m not sure either if downloading a registry batch file would work, and would add WindowsUpdates,  since I don’t have WindowsUpdates in that location now?  I think it would, but I’m not familiar with Registry batch files, or making new additions to the Registry. I have only changed some values in the past, but have never added too.

        Thanks again for your assistance.

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        • #2339930
          PKCano
          Manager

          On the front Blog page here.

          There are links to the .reg files for 2004 and 20H2.
          Click on the version of your choice (not both, just one) and download the file.
          Put it on you desktop and double click on it.
          That’s all there is to it.

          Screen-Shot-2021-02-02-at-2.50.31-PM

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        • #2339948
          anonymous
          Guest

          Not there for me either.  I’m on Win 10 Pro 20H2, if Pro makes a difference.

          My target version is in:

          HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\PolicyState

          Which points to Group Policy settings.

          Three observations:

          1. Upgrading to recommended patches/versions is OK except for all the things that can go wrong and all the precautions one should take just in case.  No problems for some users, bricks for others.  That’s “ready”?
          2. MS in it’s baffling brilliance finalized 2020’s first version as 2004 and second version as 20H2 though its real name is 2009.  Oops.
          3. December updates to two of my 20H2 machines destroyed them.  I had a restore point from November that made them work perfectly again.  There I stay.  Been over a year since that happened.  A year?  Hah! Great stuff there, MS.  We have six Win 10 computers, such fun.  Restore points are your friend in Windows 10.

          _________

          Here’s yet another TRV utility.  Download and run the bat file at the bottom of the page.  If you want to see what’s in it before running, right click on the name and pick edit.  It will open in (probably) Notepad.  Enter your version as “20H2” in Option 1. Option 4 takes you to a list of Win 10 versions MS has put together.

          https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/159624-how-specify-target-feature-update-version-windows-10-a.html

          (Because this is a bat file, if you haven’t made Windows stop behaving like the stubborn child it is, you may have to unblock the file, a message asking that will appear.)

          Good luck!

           

          • #2339952
            Susan Bradley
            Manager

            Did you click on the registry key?  The value of Windowsupdate isn’t there on a pristine machine.  But the reg key will install it where it needs to go.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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            • #2339989
              R
              AskWoody Lounger

              Isn’t it actually ridiculous that people must do so much to either block or receive a Windows upgrade…? Is this even legal, under consumer laws? I know that in Europe they’re not very happy with Microsoft (and other biggies) for example. How is that in the US nowadays?

      • #2339995
        anonymous
        Guest

        Came up on site to check how updates are going using firefox and go a redirect that says anti crawler protection is activated for your IP and then redirects to Askwoody. What gives? I haven’t been to any unknown websites or downloaded anything. Never heard of this before.

      • #2340000
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        I’ve added this to protect the sites from bots and spammers.  If you register for the site or are a plus member it whitelists you.  It’s to better protect the site to keep it clean.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2340004
        azkid
        AskWoody Lounger

        Thank you Susan for the quick reply. Scared the heck out of me. Couldn’t figure where I had gone wrong. I don’t like to stay signed in to websites so a lot of the time I just quick look to see what is happening. I am using a different browser because with Firefox the re-direct isn’t redirecting at this time. It just keeps starting the countdown over. I will try again in a bit with Firefox.

      • #2340055
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Isn’t it actually ridiculous that people must do so much to either block or receive a Windows upgrade…

        People using Windows are not suppose to manage Windows updates/upgrades. Microsoft takes care of everything. According to Windows EULA everything Microsoft does is legal.

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        • #2340292
          R
          AskWoody Lounger

          It’s precisely these kind of ‘we arrange everything for you without discussion’ EULA’s that are under (rather successful) attack of the EU regarding consumer rights…

      • #2340403
        blackadze
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m currently on 1909 and would like to upgrade to 2004. For some reason the update doesn’t come to my pc automatically. Does adding the 2004 registry from Susan force the update to appear on Windows Update?

        • #2340421
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          No, it restricts a feature update to “not beyond version XXXX” (unless near EOL):

          … you can tell Microsoft’s patching process that you expressly want a specific feature release and any other later version is to be ignored.

          My new favorite Windows update setting

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      • #2340410
        anonymous
        Guest

        With Windows 10 Pro I went from 1909 to 20H2 without any problems. Then I set group policy for updates to 2 to not download or install until I tell it to but now it holds Windows Defender updates in the same group as the other updates. Is there a way to make Defender updates automatically download and install separately from other updates?

      • #2341132
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’ve tried to update to 20H2 but keep getting a variety of 0x000… stop codes each time I do. It’d be nice if MS made it clear what the problem is.

        • #2341139
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          Hint: Try removing existing conexant audio device drivers prior to the feature update.
          Any stop codes, write them down and post here for analysis, should it happen again 🙂

      • #2342067
        ATGM
        AskWoody Plus

        I would like to limit the updates as suggested (probably to 20H2).  I went in to the registry through regedit but find no entry for

        HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate].  Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WcmSvc and Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WorkplaceJoin are there.

        Do I just add a new entry for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate and populate it as shown?

        Thank you in advance.

        • #2342108
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Use the reg files to set the TRV – see this post: #2339930

          cheers, Paul

          • #2343424
            anonymous
            Guest

            Hi Paul,

            I would rather type (or copy and paste) than run an external file.  Would my “add the missing lines” approach work?

            • #2343440
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              You can add the key manually, but it won’t work if you make a typo.
              Running the reg file is harmless – it doesn’t contain malware – and guaranties you get the spelling correct.

              cheers, Paul

            • #2343545
              wavy
              AskWoody Plus

              If you would be less afraid of the reg file, right click on it and choose edit. It will open in Notepad and you can see just what it is.

              🍻

              Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2342299
        opti1
        AskWoody Plus

        Silly question, maybe, but here goes.

        Do Susan’s .reg files work for 1909 Pro as well as 1909 Home?

        If yes, and I want to proceed with one of her .reg files, should I make any other changes first, like to the GUI deferral settings?

        After updating to 2004 or 20H2 should I blank out or remove these new registry entries?

        Thanks!

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        • #2342307
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          They work on both.  I use them to keep my system on a certain version.  If I want to stay on 2004 then I put that in.  If I want to make sure I stay on 20H2 – and I’ll use this when the NEXT version of Windows 10 comes out – I use that one.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2343745
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        I’d say in general I agree with the advice to just move to 20H2. It’s been out a while and it’s pretty stable.

        That said, installing updates depends on repair skill and comfort level after patch failure or system errors. It’s best to be prepared to recover a computer system.

        On Hiatus {with backup and coffee}
        offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
        offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
        online▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.804 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox86.0 WindowsDefender TRV=20H2 WuMgr
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