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      • #2363568
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        Youtube here KB4023057 is an update that comes out normally before a feature update is released. In theory it’s supposed to help a machine get the fea
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      • #2363571
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Never understood what is the fuzz about KB4023057.
        Installed already 3 times on my Windows 10 Pro (currently 20H2 April updates).

        I can’t remember anyone here complaining about KB4023057 botching or crashing their systems.

        • #2363576
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          So called update KB4023057 kills my internet. How to stop it from – Microsoft Community

          Back in 2018 for that user it impacted their Internet connection.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2363730
            b
            AskWoody MVP

            It’s been installed by many millions, but one person lost a network connection three years ago. Shouldn’t we expect a few more problems than that if it was truly troublesome?

            In my opinion, anyone who blocks or uninstalls “reliability improvements to Windows Update service components” deserves unreliable updates for evermore.

            Windows 10 Pro version 21H1 build 19043.1052 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

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      • #2363574
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        They sure don’t want you to remove it easily by changing the name and sticking it under “normal” apps.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2363575
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        They sure don’t want you to remove it easily by changing the name and sticking it under “normal” apps.

        cheers, Paul

        They sure don’t want you to use wushowhide either.

        • #2363608
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          It’s still available from Older Geeks, as linked by Susan. It’s not blocked by MS so there is no issue with its use. And as you keep suggesting, WuMgr is an alternative for blocking / controlling updates.

          cheers, Paul

        • #2363646
          anonymous
          Guest

          They sure don’t want you to use wushowhide either.

          Microsoft’s pages for wushowhide are no longer available because wushowhide is signed with the SHA-1 algorithm and, back in 2019 (or 2018 maybe?), Microsoft stated they would no longer offer downloads signed with the SHA-1 algorithm, and only offer downloads signed with SHA-2 exclusively. This is per @abbodi86 in at least a couple of posts in other threads on this site.

          It took them from the actual date of the announcement until last year to finally get to and eliminate wushowhide per that policy probably due to the sheer number of downloads they offered that were signed with SHA-1.

          • #2363662
            anonymous
            Guest

            I need to correct my post above. When I said

            …only offer downloads signed with SHA-2 exclusively.

            I believe that I was somewhat incorrect.

            What I believe is actually the current case is that MS isn’t offering downloads that aren’t signed with SHA-2. This implies that downloads that are only signed with SHA-1 and not SHA-1 and SHA-2 or only signed with SHA-2 are no longer offered by MS.

            In other words, if a download is only signed with SHA-1, it’s not offered. However, if it’s signed with SHA-1 and SHA-2, it will still be offered, as well as if it’s only signed with SHA-2.

            Wushowhide was only signed with SHA-1 and nothing else, so it is no longer offered by MS on their pages.

      • #2363690
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Wushowhide was only signed with SHA-1 and nothing else, so it is no longer offered by MS on their pages.

        wushowhide is Microsoft’s app and sure they can sign the app with whatever they choose, but Microsoft preferred to remove the app instead of fixing it.

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      • #2363708
        Sproots
        AskWoody Plus

        I just put a new ssd into a borrowed laptop to travel with and am at the point of first updates from clean win10 20H2 install.

        I’m still waiting after wushowhide for KB4023057 to disappear from the Download List, it popped as soon as I allowed the install to activate and gave the April Updates.

        I can afford to wait a few more days before I leave to get updates done, but will wumgr delete it from the download queue any sooner?

        I’d really like to get it buttoned up so I can get back to other trip prep.

         

        • #2363732
          Sproots
          AskWoody Plus

          Update:

          I went through the wumgr settings and it looks like it can’t remove an item already in the download queue directly.  But I hid it again on top of wushowhide.

          That allowed me to clear the download list in wumgr so I could allow just the others to install and now the only thing left in WU is the KB4023057 and I can just let it sit there until it wants to disappear.

      • #2363717
        jnmcewen55
        AskWoody Plus

        I use the Registry Target method to control when I upgrade to a particular Feature Update. Just recently successfully went to 20H2. I’m assuming that KB4023057 does NOT negate the use of this Target method on my Windows 10 Home PC.  Some literature I was reading, hinted it may override this Target method.  I wonder what is true.

      • #2363741
        agoldhammer
        AskWoody Plus

        So if our PCs do not have any of the risk issues associated with the MSFT bulletin, why should we be concerned?  The three PCs I manage at home all have sufficient disk space and never go to sleep so I’m wondering if there are any issues I will see.  I’ve gone through lots of MSFT updates over the years and never had any issues at all.

      • #2363749
        anonymous
        Guest
        • #2363922
          Graham
          AskWoody Plus

          Yes, remove it. There are several articles on how unsafe it is:

          I don’t see anything there which suggests it may be unsafe. For some users it may well be an annoyance, but that’s not the same thing at all.

          For me, I’ll just check whether it has changed my target W10 version (currently 20H2, to keep it where it is for some time) and make sure Pause Updates is still set.

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      • #2363744
        anonymous
        Guest

        Last month KB4023057 had snuck onto my new Windows 10 Home desktop without my noticing—setting to metered connections won’t stop it—and it interfered with my wushowhide attempts for the March patches, causing me lots of trouble even after I uninstalled it, so I had to abandon the patching. This month it snuck in again, but I uninstalled it before trying wushowhide. April patches went fine, and for the first time I was able to pause updates. Let’s hope that stops it from sneaking in.

      • #2363767
        anonymous
        Guest

        When Woody was running this site, he mentioned never to install that update.

        Many other sites that focus on avoiding Windows 1o Tele–spyware–meric have that as unsafe KB and to remove it and block it.

      • #2363878
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        I checked my older Toshiba PC (hadn’t check the Lenovo yet), and it showed KB4023057 in the “View update history”,but it was not in the “Uninstall updates” or the “Control Panel – Uninstall Programs.” So, I don’t know how I could uninstall it?  I thought it had been hidden through WuMgr, but apparently not. This kind of makes me think maybe it isn’t actually installed. Any help is appreciated. Thanks

        • #2363916
          jdamkeene
          AskWoody Lounger

          See if this works for you.  In “View Update History” it is shown as KB4023057.  But in the “Control Panel – Uninstall Program” it is listed as “Microsoft Update Health Tools”.  It will not show KB4023057.  It will have the date when it was installed will match up with the date your PC or Laptop was last updated.  Then just click on it to uninstall it as you would any other program in the “Control Panel”.

      • #2363898
        italiangm
        AskWoody Plus

        Based on the advice noted in the aforementioned YouTube video, I deleted Microsoft Update Health Tools without a problem yesterday (5/9/2021) from a relatively new Dell Optiplex 3070, Win 10 64, 2004.

        Today (5/10/2021) when I powered-up, startup was very sluggish. Taskman showed disk maxxed at 100%. Suspicious, I rebooted in Safe Mode, no problems.

        Did more research using another machine and decided it was probably safe to reboot the suspect machine in normal mode and wait for disk usage to settle.

        Malware and virus scans show no incidents.

        Dunno if the disk issue was related to removal of Microsoft Update Health Tools or something else, so putting the question to experts in the Woodyverse for enlightenment.

      • #2363921
        Win7and10
        AskWoody Lounger

        Win 10 1909 no feature update yet offered today as I am patching for April.

        The following installed:

        Malicious Software Removal tool- v 5.88 KB 890830
        KB4023057-which is from  March 2021 ( Installed again?)
        Perhaps they are getting me ready for the feature update.

        Any patches for April???

        Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
        Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

        • #2363939
          PKCano
          Manager

          Look in Installed Updates (NOT Update History)
          Control Panel\Programs&Features “View installed updates”
          Is KB5001337 or KB5001396 installed?

          In the taskbar search box type winver and nit Enter. Is the Build 18363,1500 or 19363.1533?

          If the answer to either question is “Yes,” the April updates have been installed already.

          • #2363947
            Win7and10
            AskWoody Lounger

            I have WINVER 1863.1440

             

            I do not have Is KB5001337 or KB5001396 listed.

            Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
            Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

      • #2363924
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        But in the “Control Panel – Uninstall Program” it is listed as “Microsoft Update Health Tools”. It will not show KB4023057. It will have the date when it was installed will match up with the date your PC or Laptop was last updated.

        Thanks, but under “Uninstall Updates” it shows that “KB4023057 was installed on 4-2-2021 for Version 2004 and that date matches the “Control Panel – Uninstall Programs” for “Microsoft Update Health Tools” (Version2.77.0.0). The “Uninstall Updates” also shows it was installed on 4-8-2021 for Version 20H2, after I upgraded to that version, but “Microsoft Update Health Tools does not show any date after the 4-2 date in the “Control Panel – Uninstall Programs”.

        • #2363927
          Win7and10
          AskWoody Lounger

          Same here it is under Microsoft Health Tools and since my feature update will be due for 1909 end of service, it is part of the preparation for upgrade?

          I’ll leave it there for now and see what happens for updates this month.

          Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
          Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

      • #2365006
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        Hm, looking back on a pretty intense work week…

        • Windows 20H2 is fairly mature, relatively speaking, at this point in the cycle.
        • KB4023057 was apparently never installed, per: WMIC qfe list
        • I didn’t have any workstation problems to speak of. Wonderful!

        Coincidence? I think not.

        -Noel

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