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      • #2353885
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        To patch or not to patch this month…. that is the question I attempt to answer this week in ComputerWorld. Printers side effects were the big issue
        [See the full post at: The ides of March]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2353891
        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        I cannot install March update (KB5000802) due to error 0x800f0831. My system is Windows 20H2 Pro, build 19042.804. When I do:

        1. sfc /scannow I get “Windows Resource Protection did not find any integrity violations.”
        2. Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth I get error 0x800f081f
        3. I have downloaded latest ISO using MCT, mounted as drive H: and used Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth /Source:esd:H:\Sources\Install.esd:5 /limitaccess. I also got error 0x800f081f

        What else can I do else to repair my installation?

        MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i7-6700 * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 20H2 64-bit
        • #2353892
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          A reinstall from the ISO, keeping programs and data seems to fix those issues.

          As always, make an image backup first.

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2353894
            Susan Bradley
            Manager

            Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade | Tutorials (tenforums.com)

            Do it from a running Windows 10, not booting up from it.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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            • #2353897
              radosuaf
              AskWoody Lounger

              OK, just doing it :).

              MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i7-6700 * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 20H2 64-bit
          • #2353904
            radosuaf
            AskWoody Lounger

            Did it, everything seems to be in place, build is now 19042.867, SFC and DISM show no errors – thanks for the help!

            MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i7-6700 * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 20H2 64-bit
      • #2353906
        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        So if my W10 2004 Home desktop has no printer connected, is it ok to proceed with the normal March updates as offered when I lift the pause? It seems that it’s only the printer issue that is causing problems with the original patch day updates.

        • #2354038
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          If you don’t have a printer there are no issues of note.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2353917
        Bruce
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m currently on 1909, and need to update to 2004. If I update group policy “Select the target Feature Update version” to specify 2004 instead of 1909, what do I need to do about the March patches? How do I “skip the updates released on March 9th and instead jump over to the March 18th update of KB5001649”? Will the correct replacement patch automatically be part of the update, or will I need to do something special to correct things?

        • #2353925
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          You will get the March 9th updates, you’ll need to then pull down/get from the catalog the March 18th updates manually.

          I would go to 20H2 rather than 2004.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2353927
            Bruce
            AskWoody Plus

            A few questions to clarify what needs to be done:

            1) Should the March 9th update be uninstalled prior to manually installing the March 18th update?

            2) If after going to 20H2 there are no printer issues, should I do anything differently?

            3) What about timing?  Would it be best to wait until just before the April updates are released, or is it reasonably safe to proceed today?

            • #2353951
              PKCano
              Manager

              1. You do not need to uninstall the March 9th before installing the March 18th patch
              2. After upgrading to 20H2, if you have no printer problem, you do not need to do anything else. The fix will be rolled into the April Patch Tues CU.
              3. It’s safe to do it now. You will just get the March CU/SSU plus the turn-on of the Feature Experience Pack for 20H2, which is already included in 2004.

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      • #2353931
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        A few questions to clarify what needs to be done:

        1) Should the March 9th update be uninstalled prior to manually installing the March 18th update?

        2) If after going to 20H2 there are no printer issues, should I do anything differently?

        3) What about timing?  Would it be best to wait until just before the April updates are released, or is it reasonably safe to proceed today?

        If you don’t have printing problems or no printer you don’t need March 18th update.
        The same goes for after upgrading to 20H2.
        Now is a good time as any to move to 20H2 as it is a ‘miniature’ update (setting some switches ON).

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        • #2353939
          Bruce
          AskWoody Plus

          RE: Question 3 (Timing)

          Sorry, I should have mentioned that this would be an upgrade from 1909 to 20H2, which may be more involved than moving from 2004 to 20H2…

          • #2353954
            CraigS26
            AskWoody Plus

            RE: Question 3 (Timing) Sorry, I should have mentioned that this would be an upgrade from 1909 to 20H2, which may be more involved than moving from 2004 to 20H2…

            1909 to 20H2 was 1.5 hours for me — but a 1,2,3 operation. Typical Feature upgrades have been 30-45 min faster. With 1909 I UNinstalled (Not Delete) my Conexant Driver and the 20H2 process Re-installed the same driver data for me…..

            W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

      • #2353934
        mcbsys
        AskWoody Plus

        So much for “cumulative.” On a Win10 Pro 20H2 machine that hadn’t been turned on in several weeks, immediately after booting, I installed March 18 (KB5001649) from the catalog. After reboot, it installed March 9 automatically (KB5000802).
        Cumulative-updates
        Seems that once March 9 is detected, it gets installed, even if you do March 18 first. Now I wonder which one will take precedence.

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        • #2354013
          sheldon
          AskWoody Plus

          That is strange since KB5001649 is cumulative update and comes after KB5000802.  I had KB5000802 hidden via wushowhide.  After I installed KB5001649, KB5000802 disaparred.

      • #2353930
        Frwin
        AskWoody Plus

        Just to be sure :

        I’m on ‘Pause’ in Windows Update until the beginning of April.

        If I want to skip the March Updates and wait for the April ones, will it be OK to pause Windows Update for one more month (until the beginning of May) ?

      • #2353945
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Now I wonder which one will take precedence.

        If you don’t have printing problems it doesn’t matter which one will take precedence.

      • #2353977
        mcbsys
        AskWoody Plus

        Now I wonder which one will take precedence.

        If you don’t have printing problems it doesn’t matter which one will take precedence.

        That may be true, but I’m also trying to deepen my general understanding for future reference. When and why does a superseded update install after the later update? And when that happens, does the mechanism that applies the patch actually cause a downgrade, or does it respect later file dates and not overwrite them?

        Or–new theory–is the Windows 10 update history just wrong, maybe listing updates it thought you needed, or that it started to install, but not what actually got installed? On the same machine as shown in the earlier screen shot, the uninstall list does not show KB5000802 as installed.
        Installed-updates

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      • #2353989
        280park
        AskWoody Plus

        1. Do the problems being reported in connection with the March 9th updates occur immediately after installation of the updates or do the problems occur only subsequently when printing is attempted?

        2. How do you recover from a blue screen of death if it occurs?

        3. If I want to skip updating this month and wait until the April cumulative update is released and tested can I accomplish that by simply turning on metered connection?

        Windows 10 Pro version 2004

        • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by 280park.
      • #2353994
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        FYI to patch Lady Susan & others:

        KB5000842 (build 1904x.906) “preview” update recently came out this Monday afternoon 3/29:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5000842

        since I did not install KB5001649 (and skipped the earlier March 2021 updates) for 2004/21H1, I decided to go for installing KB5000842 instead. so far no probs with KB5000842

      • #2354016
        anonymous
        Guest

        Win10 Pro x64 on 2004. Bit the bullet and resumed updates. Got the 3/9 update, MSRT and Intel microcode which installed first. Use an ancient HP usb-attached printer. Managed to print from Word 2010 and a website. Only snag, the printer was offline but a copy of the printer WAS online. HP XXX (Copy 1). Did this update make a copy of this printer? Was afraid to delete either the printer or the copy and trust MS to find it again. Thoughts? Can’t afford a printer issue in future!

        • #2354039
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          As you are printing the updates are OK.
          I’d disconnect the printer cable, remove both printers, restart Windows and then plug the cable back in. Windows will install the printer for you.

          If you are feeling really paranoid, make an image backup first.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2354138
            anonymous
            Guest

            Thanks for the reply, Paul. Like an idiot, I did what you said last evening. Plugged in and Windows 10 made no effort to find it. Reinstalled the HP model from the list. Still nothing. Ran System restore which took 2 hours!  Said it couldn’t finally and made no changes. Did get the printer and Copy 1 back at least and Copy 1 does print. “If it ain’t broke” I guess. 😉

            Found a post in the official HP forum this AM which explained a procedure for removing all incidents of the printer deep within Win10 before trying to reinstall. Way above MY pay-grade but that solution worked for the OP. I’d screw it up for sure!

            OUGHT to work as you suggested but nothing MS is that simple.

        • #2354159
          cyberSAR
          AskWoody Plus

          See this often with clients who install a usb printer and plug it in and power it up prior to installing the printer software. Best to install the software and when it asks for the printer or complains it can’t see it to then turn it on or plug it in. Following this procedure I have never had 2 instances of the printer show up.

      • #2354025
        anonymous
        Guest

        AKB2000003 is not in agreement with the directions on AskWoody for Win7 or Win8.1 March 2021 security only updates.

        For Win7 the AKB directions indicate that KB5001639 replaces KB5000851.

        For Win8.1 the AKB directions indicate that KB5001640 replaces KB5000853.

        For both 7 and 8.1, the AskWoody article says that both updates must be installed (i.e., not cumulative). Which is correct?

        • #2354077
          PKCano
          Manager

          AKB2000003 has been corrected.
          To be on the safe side, install KB5000851 then KB5001639 and finally KB5000800 (IE11 CU) for Win7.
          To be on the safe side, install KB5000853 then KB5001640 and finally KB5000800 (IE11 CU) for Win8.1.

          You do not have to restart between, only after all three are installed.

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          • #2354091
            anonymous
            Guest

            Thanks for the update to AKB2000003.

            I installed KB5001639 and finally KB5000800 (IE11 CU) for Win7 prior to seeing the AskWoody article and your response to my question from yesterday. They don’t seem to want to uninstall. Can I install KB5000851 now, or should I try to roll back to my pre-Windows Update backup to get rid of them (if that even works)?

            Note, I prefer not to roll back if I don’t have to, as I never totally trust that I won’t lose something important or have some other issue.

            Thanks.

            • #2354101
              PKCano
              Manager

              You can go ahead and install KB5000851 – no need to uninstall anything. Windows will put the correct files where they need to go. If there is supersedence, Windows will “know” and install the right one.

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              • #2354114
                anonymous
                Guest

                Thanks for the clarification PKCano.

              • #2354304
                anonymous
                Guest

                PKCano: Do you recommend to install this OOB update even if there is no printing issues? And, in case of not installing it, will it be included in April security update regardless or for people don’t do or know about direct catalog downloads?

              • #2354348
                PKCano
                Manager

                If you are doing Rollups (Group A), the Rollups are cumulative and fix will probably be rolled into the April Rollup.

                But ie you are in Group B, the SOs are NOT cumulative, so if you miss the fix in the OOB, you miss the fix. In that case, I think you should install the SO and the OOB.

              • #2354474
                anonymous
                Guest

                Thank you for your answer. Group B here. The main problem with these OOB updates is they break our cycle: do a full disk backup, install whatever office+.net+SO+IE updates, engage in post testing, then forget until next month. Giving there are no issues, we will delayed it and install it just before the April batch.

      • #2354201
        Win7and10
        AskWoody Lounger

        Windows 10 Home Version 1909
        Currently no printer, however, will be installing a Canon printer with USB cable.
        No wireless at this time.

        Do I wait for April patches and skip March?
        Install printer then update March Patches?

        Comments and suggestions welcomed.

        Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
        Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

        • #2354207
          cyberSAR
          AskWoody Plus

          I have installed the March updates on multiple machines with Canon and Epson printers, both USB and network,  but all are on 20H2. That said, I’m skipping March updates for my critical business clients with an asst of printers out of an abundance of caution.

        • #2354275
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Currently no printer

          Then you have nothing to break. Update away!

          As always, backup first.

          cheers, Paul

      • #2354303
        Save_Us_from_MS
        AskWoody Lounger

        Using Windows 1909, it is so weird that Microsoft still offers the problematic KB5000808 instead of the newer KB5001648. what is the rational behind that?!

        • #2354349
          PKCano
          Manager

          KB5001648 is an optional update. It should be offered in the optional section that says “Download and install now”
          UNLESS you are using Win10 Pro and have Group Policy Feature deferral set with Semi-Annual Channel. In that case you will not see the optional updates.

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      • #2354328
        anonymous
        Guest

        A few questions to clarify what needs to be done:

        1) Should the March 9th update be uninstalled prior to manually installing the March 18th update?

        2) If after going to 20H2 there are no printer issues, should I do anything differently?

        3) What about timing?  Would it be best to wait until just before the April updates are released, or is it reasonably safe to proceed today?

        If you don’t have printing problems or no printer you don’t need March 18th update.
        The same goes for after upgrading to 20H2.
        Now is a good time as any to move to 20H2 as it is a ‘miniature’ update (setting some switches ON).

        It is only miniature if you are on 2004. An upgrade from 1909 to 20H2 is going to be like any other past Windows 10 upgrade, requiring an in-place upgrade of the entire OS rather than flipping a switch. I am still on 1909 as it has been very stable and 2004 has not appeared stable, and having to upgrade twice a year would be the end of me. I would rather go straight to the “tock” releases, rather than the “tick”, because I prefer stability over frequent upgrades.

        • #2354354
          Bruce
          AskWoody Plus

          Windows 10 version 1909 will reach end of servicing on May 11, 2021. and will no longer receive security updates after that time.

          I also am not a fan of twice a year upgrades, yet I am loath to forgo security updates by continuing with 1909 past EOL.

          I’m unsure what you mean by tick and tock releases, but I suspect you’re calling 2004 a tick, while 20H2 is a tock?  If so, this would be a tock upgrade for me, since I would be going directly from 1909 to 20H2.

          • #2354403
            anonymous
            Guest

            Yes, 2004 is a “tick” (major release), while 20H2 is a “tock” (minor release that refines a major release). I cannot remember if Microsoft explicitly calls their current release cycle as such, but it is the same terminology that Intel uses and Apple once used.

      • #2354357
        hms
        AskWoody Plus

        I realize the update issue of KB5000802/KB5001649 was asked earlier, but I regret that I did not understand the answer.

        I have not yet installed any March updates.  After downloading KB5001649,

        1–Do I hide …802 before installing …1649? Then after installing …1649, should ..802 be “unhidden” to dispose of it as MS sees fit? OR

        2–Not hide …802 and leave it in the processing queue along with …1649 and let MS sort it out during the update installation process?

        Thank you for helping me understand this as I am sure this updating process issue will surface again.

         

        • #2354367
          PKCano
          Manager

          You don’t need to hide KB5000802.
          Just install KB5001649 by double-clicking on it.
          After the restart and after Windows Update rescans on its own, KB5000802 most likely will disappear.

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          hms
          • #2354381
            hms
            AskWoody Plus

            PKCano, thanks for the clarification. Seems logical, but with MS, one never knows.

          • #2354638
            hms
            AskWoody Plus

            As you predicted, after installing KB5001649, KB5000802 did disappear from pending updates after rebooting.

            Thanks

      • #2354376
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        you’re calling 2004 a tick, while 20H2 is a tock?

        2004 is a tock (big update). 20H2 is a tick (very small update over 2004). 21H1 will also be a tick (over 20H2) while 21H2 will be the tock (Microsoft reversed the order this year).

        The tick updates are always over the current version. They are always tock over any other version.

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        • #2354419
          Bruce
          AskWoody Plus

          Color me confused …

          Anonymous replied ” 2004 is a “tick” (major release), while 20H2 is a “tock” (minor release that refines a major release)”.

          Alex5723 replied “2004 is a tock (big update). 20H2 is a tick (very small update over 2004)”.

          That seems a contradiction, since tick = major & tock = minor  conflicts with tick = small & tock = big).

           

      • #2354417
        Steve S.
        AskWoody Plus

        Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade | Tutorials (tenforums.com)

        Do it from a running Windows 10, not booting up from it.

        Over the weekend I decided to upgrade from 1909 to 2004. I changed the Group Policy to 2004 and proceeded through several reboots. All seemed fine using the computer for a while when I decided to restart the computer at some point and some additional unidentified updating activity occurred. Some pretty strange behavior resulted. I got a BSOD showing error “your pc needs to be repaired” and “the boot configuration data file doesn’t contain valid information for an operating system — file BCD error code Oxc0000098”.  I pressed F1 to enter the RE. I then just pressed Continue (Exit to Windows) and it booted fine, though if I rebooted I would get the BSOD again.

        I had previously had Linux mint as a dual boot but had wiped that drive. I used the Windows RE to access the command prompt and tried to use the “bootrec /rebuild bcd” command but it would fail.

        I assumed the BCD still had an entry that was causing the problem so used Macrium Reflect feature that repairs windows boot issues. After that it booted fine. However, some strange things started cropping up:

        Windows Update was now offering me multiple Intel drivers going back to 1968! If I try the Advanced Startup feature in settings, I no longer get all the menu options that Window RE apparently should show. Trying to add a Macrium Reflect boot menu option failed if I tried to use Windows 10 RE as the Base WIM. I only succeeded after selecting the downloadable Windows PE (WADK). The standard RE is no longer available on my system?

        Trying to revert to 1909 fails saying files needed are no longer available – even though Windows.old is still on the SSD.

        And worst of all, I discovered that Secure Boot has been changed to “enabled” in the BIOS but is greyed out and can’t be changed. The tutorial indicates I can’t do an in-place upgrade if it’s enabled. Did Windows Update mess with my BIOS?!

        Any ideas? If this should be taken to another forum discussion, please advise.

        Win10 Pro x64 20H2, Win10 Home 20H2, Linux Mint + a cat with 'tortitude'.

      • #2354535
        dmt_3904
        AskWoody Plus

        I updated GPedit deferral days to 10 (from 30) and waited for WU to download.  I received this:

        •  Security Intelligence Update for Microsoft Defender Antivirus – KB2267602 (Version 1.333.1761.0)
        • Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.87 (KB890830)
        • 2021-01 Update for Windows 10 Version 20H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4589212)
        • 2021-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 20H2 for x64-based Systems (KB50008)

        First 3 are ok.  I checked my Intel processor and it is in the list.  I see from this forum that KB50008 is not the update I want.  This is for me:

        So for Windows 10 2004 or 20H2 you need to skip the updates released on March 9th and instead jump over to the March 18th update of KB5001649.

        I’ve hidden KB50008.  I have an Epson  ET-2650.  Haven’t had  BSOD issues in a long time, do NOT want to ever go back there!

        How can I skip KB50008 and get KB5001649 to show up in the Q? Or should I just wait for April Updates????? thanks.

        • #2354537
          PKCano
          Manager

          There is no KB50008. The 2021-03 CU for v20H2 is KB5000802.

          You can hide KB5000802 or just leave it sitting in the queue, and download the OOB CU KB5001649, dated 3/18, from the MS Update Catalog, save it to your desktop, and double click on it to manually install. It contains the printer fix.

          OR

          You can wait for April updates

          • #2354540
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            Typo, it’s KB5000802.  I have never gone to the catalog to get a download.  I can do that.  I have 64 bit WinPro20H2, I think this is the version I need, but would like to confirm.  There are lots of downloads!

            Are there any issues with waiting for April updates? I hadn’t read anything about security fixes needed in March updates…….

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            • #2354547
              PKCano
              Manager

              That looks like the right one for 20H2 64-bit.

              You can look at the list of fixes and known foro KB5ooo802 here. and for KB5001649 here. There is a pulldown for 20H2 or 2004.

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              • #2354548
                dmt_3904
                AskWoody Plus

                thanks, I think I’ll wait for April updates.

              • #2354550
                The Surfing Pensioner
                AskWoody Plus

                I installed kb5001649 from the catalogue onto my laptop yesterday and it slipped in quickly and smoothly. Everything works. Will pop it onto the desktop probably tomorrow and then un-pause updates just before patch Tuesday, when I shouldn’t get any nasty suprises. The April updates may bring their own problems, who knows!

      • #2354563
        mazzinia
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’ve let the laptop resume updates ( 2004 ) , it installed the 5000802.

        I’ve added the 5001649 at the next reboot, but when it completed, it queued 2 more things that before were not present.

        a january patch for the microcode, and a february .net preview.

        Is this normal ?

        • #2354565
          PKCano
          Manager

          Both those patches are normal.
          However, we do not recommend installing “Preview” patches.
          And whether or not you install the microcode patch is up to you – some do, some don’t.

          • #2354568
            mazzinia
            AskWoody Lounger

            Yep, but I didn’t have a choice,

            At the reboot I just went to check the update logs, and the first thing it shown was those 2 being downloaded , installed and marked pending restart.

            I had no choice in it , nor did press “look for updates”.

            Same behavior happened identically on a vmware VM with 2004.

            I’m not so keen to have the same thing happen on my main workstation.

            Do you know by chance if HP Laserjet 4050 is affected by the issue ? ( HP Universal Printing PCL 6 61.250 )

            • #2354574
              PKCano
              Manager

              If you are using Enterprise Edition on your workstation, you may be behind a server that is controlling updates and it will follow the settings that the Network Admin has imposes.

              But if you are using either Home Edition or Pro Edition, you do have a choice.
              #2354532 mainly deals with Home Edition, where Pause and Metered connections are the major controls for updating. #2354545 is about Pro Edition, where you have Group Policy to control updates. See AKB2000016 (linked in the first post) for a full explanation.

              But any time you click “Resume Updates,” you can expect whatever is out there available to immediately start the download/install process, ignoring just about any other setting you have.

              • #2354608
                mazzinia
                AskWoody Lounger

                wait a bit.

                updates are paused for another week.

                If i download the fixed update while keeping things paused, install while paused … would that be ok ?

                or is preferable to install with updates not being paused ?

                 

                Aside that at worst I would just have to install 2 times a 450mb update, would just be an extra reboot but no real drawbacks aside doubling the times. isn’t it ?

              • #2354620
                PKCano
                Manager

                If i download the fixed update while keeping things paused, install while paused … would that be ok ? or is preferable to install with updates not being paused ?

                Makes no difference since you are doing a manual install. Pause is for Windows Update. But if you are worried about it, download the OOB, disconnect from the Internet (MS can’t touch you ) then manually install the OOB.

              • #2356177
                buckwheat
                AskWoody Plus

                PKCano, I have Windows 10 Home V20H2. My plan is to skip the March updates and download KB5001649 from the Microsoft Update Catalog. Having paused March close to the 35 day limit , I will have to select “Resume updates” on the Windows Update page before I can once again pause updates. By doing this, will the March updates start downloading before I can pause again?

              • #2356207
                PKCano
                Manager

                I have installed kb5001649 on both my machines whilst updates were paused and it made no difference at all to my pause settings. (I didn’t think it would.)

                Yes, that. Leave the Pause alone. Download and install KB5001649. The March CU should go away after that eventually.

              • #2354722
                The Surfing Pensioner
                AskWoody Plus

                I have installed kb5001649 on both my machines whilst updates were paused and it made no difference at all to my pause settings. (I didn’t think it would.)

          • #2354578
            redknight
            AskWoody Plus

            Have a question.  According to WuMgr KB5000802 is 102.81 GB.  When KB5001649 came out it was 102.82 GB.  KB5001649 has since been replaced with KB5000842 at 103.03 GB.

            The Catalog version of KB5001649 is 446 MB.  The recommendation is to install KB5001649 instead of KB5000802.  With such a great discrepancy in size between the original KB5001649 and the Catalog version of KB5001649, what is missing from the Catalog KB5001649 (446 MB) versus the original KB5001649 (102 GB) or KB5000802 (102 GB)?

            Do I install KB5000802, then install the Catalog KB5001649 or do I just install the Catalog KB5001649 and not install KB5000802?

            • #2354604
              EP
              AskWoody_MVP

              the latter, redknight
              meaning install KB5001649 and reboot – no need to install KB5000802 because KB5001649 supersedes/replaces KB5000802 & KB5001567

              and pay no attention to the update sizes in Wumgr – it’s a cosmetic bug in Wumgr, just ignore them

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      • #2354591
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Have a question.  According to WuMgr KB5000802 is 102.81 GB.  When KB5001649 came out it was 102.82 GB.  KB5001649 has since been replaced with KB5000842 at 103.03 GB.

        The numbers are wrong. The whole of Windows OS is ~5GB.

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      • #2354729
        MrToad28
        AskWoody Lounger

        Windows 7 Updates? My impression was that Win7 updates were history as of Jan 2020 yet a current update for Win 7 is mentioned on this thread…along with a warning that it’s risky. I’ve blocked updates on all my Win 7 PCs..is there a reason to consider updating or is this just Microsoft looking for a chance to kill some Win7s so people will have to buy new pc’s or software?

        • #2354740
          PKCano
          Manager

          Win7 still has updates till Jan 2023. You can get the updates a couple of ways:

          You can buy the Extended Security Updates (ESU) package from Microsoft. This is the second year of updates (beginning Feb 2020) and to get it you have to buy the first year + the second year. With the ESU, updates are delivered through Windows Update as usual.

          OR

          You can read this thread. If you go that route, there is lots of help here.

      • #2354960
        anonymous
        Guest

        Win 10 Pro 2004

        I just tried to download KB5001649 from the MS Update Catalog. The package details indicated this update has been replaced by KB5000842 – a Cumulative Update Preview. Do I want to install this? – it was my optional update when I installed March updates. I have not had printing issues with KB500802.

        Thanks

        • #2354964
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          The preview is a preview for April non security patches. If you have not had printing issues after installing the base March updates you don’t have to install KB5001649. That mainly fixes issues for those who have Dymo  label printers.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2354967
        Bruce
        AskWoody Plus

        I will be updating Win10 Pro from 1909 to 20H2. If the update introduces the March printing issue, I assume that I will need to manually install KB5001649 from the catalog. However, looking at https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5001649, and examining the details of “2021-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 20H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5001649)”, I notice that it specifies the Architecture as AMD64 rather than x64. Is this a typo, or am I looking at the wrong item?

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        • #2354986
          PKCano
          Manager

          Look at the bottom two entries here and pick the 64-bit.

          • #2354998
            Bruce
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks.  That’s the one I was referring to, but I wanted to double check since the architecture was mislabeled.

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            • #2355036
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              AMD64 is the term for 64 bit code. Has been for years.
              It is an evolutionary update that allowed you to run existing 32 bit code as well, where the Intel/HP IA64 didn’t.

              cheers, Paul

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              • #2356788
                Ascaris
                AskWoody_MVP

                It’s called AMD64 because AMD wrote the extension to the x86 spec, which Intel licenses (reverse of how things have normally gone for AMD). As Paul wrote, the IA-64 (Itanium) instruction set was not backward compatible with the 32-bit stuff. People have been saying for years that Intel needs to ditch the x86 legacy and start fresh… well, they tried that with IA-64, but there were problems, and that combined with the lack of compatibility with legacy 32-bit stuff doomed it.

                Group "L" (KDE Neon Linux 5.21.4 User Edition)

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      • #2356075
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        a few weeks late on this but-

        Epson has acknowledged the printing issues with the Windows 10 March 2021 updates & their printers and has published this support page on which Win10 updates to install should users encounter issues with their Epson printers:

        https://epson.com/Support/wa00919

      • #2356762
        castiel
        AskWoody Plus

        I tried to download KB5001649 from the Windows Update Catalog using my Chrome browser and when I clicked on the link for the msu file in the Download pop-up window, it just sits there and does not do anything. What am I doing wrong? Am I going crazy? I am 100% certain I have gotten other downloads in the past using Chrome from the Windows Update Catalog.

        My Chrome browser shows:

        Google Chrome is up to date
        Version 89.0.4389.114 (Official Build) (64-bit)

        I have tried disabling all extensions and also tried using Incognito mode, but the same every time – when I left click on the link for the msu file, it just sits there and nothing happens. I also tried right clicking on the link but do not see anything that looks like a Save File.

        This just HAS to be possible – can anyone tell me what the trick is? This should be so easy. Why is everything so hard? I have battled with lost certificates, now printer issues, and now can’t even download the fix.

        Thanks in advance!

        • #2356771
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          It works for me (in Edge). Any non-Microsoft antivirus in play?

          Can you try a different browser or restart the computer?

          • #2356784
            castiel
            AskWoody Plus

            It does work with Firefox. Also seems to work with Internet Explorer (yeah, I know – I don’t use IE). And it works with ChrEdge. So, it seems to work with any browser except Google Chrome.

            Looking around on the web, I appear to see hints of past browser compatibility issues with downloading from the Microsoft Update Catalog. Supposedly, that was all cleared up at one time (and I am certain I have used Chrome in the past).

            Given the predominance of the Chrome browser, has anyone other than me run into this issue (unable to get Chrome to download from the Microsoft Update Catalog)?

            I do have a non-Microsoft AV, but it does not stop other browsers so I don’t think it is an AV issue. It seems to be a browser compatibility issue.

            • #2356797
              Sueska
              AskWoody Plus

              Hello castiel. I am also unable to download anything from the MS catalog using Chrome. My other browsers all work fine. I noticed it stopped working in Chrome sometime in March.

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              • #2356798
                castiel
                AskWoody Plus

                Thank you Sueska. It does look like something was introduced in Google Chrome that is causing it to not function well with the Microsoft Update Catalog downloads. I was just taken by surprise given how widely Chrome is used that there does not appear to be more questions like mine.

      • #2356793
        280park
        AskWoody Plus

        Re: No problems so far with Brother printer.

        My Windows 10 Pro version 2004 computer reached the end of its pause period today and automatically downloaded KB5000802 via Windows Update. KB50001649 has not yet appeared as an optional update.

        I successfully printed a PDF document, a Word document, and a WordPad document and scanned a document as an image file without any problems on my Brother HL-2280DW printer/scanner.

        I now plan to upgrade to Windows 10 version 20H2.

      • #2356840
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Microsoft Update Catalog

        Chrome does download from Microsoft Catalog.

        Just downloaded a file.

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        • #2357098
          castiel
          AskWoody Plus

          Interesting. It certainly works for you, but when I get to the same point, clicking on the blue file name link does nothing – it just sits there. So it works for some (most?) people but not for some of us others. I do find some non-specific references on the web of some people running into problems using Chrome. Curious – is your Chrome at Version 89.0.4389.114 ?

      • #2357100
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        clicking on the blue file name link does nothing – it just sits there

        Right-click on the file and use ‘save as..’
        You Chrome settings/extensions may regard .exe as harmful.

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