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    • #1952319 Reply

      Tracey Capen
      AskWoody MVP

      PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley For those of us in the northern hemisphere, September can be a time when days seem to be noticeably shorter — the d
      [See the full post at: The patch waiting game — September edition]

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    • #1952339 Reply

      grams
      AskWoody Plus

      thanks so much for this (and the past and future) easy to understand posting about Win7 updates!

    • #1952793 Reply

      anonymous

      No problems with September’s Windows 7 Security Only patches the same as for the July 2019 Security Only patches. That’s because They are Not Security Only and I’ll only install the actual Security Only patches.

      No worries about patches breaking things if they are never going to get installed in the first place and no waiting as well. So on to October this time just like it was on to August after the previous month’s “Security Only” patches where skipped.

    • #1953048 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley

      If you also receive KB 4480730, a “Reliability improvement to Windows 10 update components” patch, it’s a sign that your system hasn’t been getting updates as it should. The patch’s information page states: “This update will be downloaded and installed automatically to Windows 10 devices [that] haven’t installed the most recent cumulative update in a timely manner.”

      I recommend not installing it.

      Why? Reliability is a bad thing for cumulative updates?

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    • #1954483 Reply

      Tex265
      AskWoody Plus

      Running Win10 Pro x64 ver 1803 Group A, Patched through August except for .NET 4.8

      So where are we on .NET 4.8?  In August I deferred (hid) KB4486153 per Susan’s advice.

      Now Susan shows there is a KB4514357 for September (which I am not receiving?) Is this a replacement/update for KB4486153?

      Is advice still to defer/hide .NET 4.8 updates? Do I need both now?

      Can’t find it, but seem to recall some other posters recommended installation and that it even made their system more responsive or something like that.

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
      • #1954486 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        KB4486153 is the installer for .NET Framework 4.8
        KB4514357 is the Cumulative Update for .NET 4.8

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        • #1954491 Reply

          Tex265
          AskWoody Plus

          PK thanks.
          Is advice still to defer these (until needed by some program)?
          Or is there a benefit to installation?  If so, do I need to install both?

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
          • #1954513 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Why do you ask? Keep Taking Susan’s advice.

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            • #1954585 Reply

              Susan Bradley
              AskWoody MVP

              It’s near impossible to block .net 4.8 on an unmanaged machine.  They are now sending out security updates ergo why I’m tracking it.  The only way to block .net 4.8 is to use the registry key to block it.

              Block it if you are savvy enough to do so, but if you aren’t I’ll be monitoring for side effects.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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            • #1954841 Reply

              Tex265
              AskWoody Plus

              Susan,
              Running Win 10 Pro ver 1803, Group Policy WUpdate set at 2 (ask before downloading) I had no problem hiding the .NET 4.8 Install KB4486153 in August with the wushowhide utility and it is still hidden.
              But because of not installing it (I think) it is now the reason that I am not receiving the September .NET update KB4514357.

              That is the reason for my post, as to whether continuing to hide KB4486153 and now not receiving KB4514357 is OK for my system long term whether I need it or not?

              Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
            • #1954845 Reply

              Susan Bradley
              AskWoody MVP

              Correct, you only get the Sept 4.8 offered if you installed the base 4.8.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #1954846 Reply

              Susan Bradley
              AskWoody MVP

              P.S. you are still getting security updates for .net but they are smooshed/bundled into the operating system.  In the 4.8 era the .net patches will be independent from the OS.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #1954863 Reply

              Tex265
              AskWoody Plus

              OK, so again – should I allow the installation of .NET 4.8 and the September update to get my system up-to-date, or continue to block its installation forever or until a program needs it to be installed?

              Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
            • #1954870 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Your question was answered in #1954585.

      • #1954511 Reply

        Microfix
        Da Boss

        If it ain’t broke.don’t fix it is my advice.
        Do you NEED .Net framework 4.8?

        Edit: my MS bad, your on W10 so you’ll be getting it like it or not in the near future 🙂

        ********** Win7 x64/x86 | Win8.1 x64 | Linux Hybrids x64 **********

    • #1954533 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      I’d like to know why KB 4480730 is only available via Windows Update and Microsoft Update and not via Windows Catalog or WSUS?

      I have some Windows 10 machines that cannot install 1903 unless I physically get on the machine and run Windows Update manually to acquire what I believe to be this update. It installs rather quickly and then the pc is able to install 1903.

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

      • #1954586 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        It’s deemed to be a “consumer”/unmanaged only.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

        • #1954971 Reply

          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          See MS support article 4480730:
          https://support.microsoft.com/help/4480730/

          Applies to: Windows 10, Windows 10 version 1511, Windows 10 version 1607, Windows 10 version 1703, Windows 10 version 1709, Windows 10 version 1803

          this does not seem to apply to those using 1809 or 1903

    • #1954565 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley

      Instead, consider it a warning that you should probably upgrade to a newer version of Windows 10. To do so, hop over to the Microsoft Software Download page and click the Update now button. Be aware, however, that it will automatically bump you to Win10 Version 1903.

      But the Master Patch List updated the previous day says;

      Version 1903: Test only at this time, do not install on production machines.

      Shouldn’t the advice be a little more consistent between the blog, newsletter and patch list?

      (The same applies to whether Home users should upgrade to Pro, or not.)

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      • #1954582 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        My bad.  I’m actually running 1903 here at the office with no (noticable anyway) issues.  My point was that if that patch gets offered up to you, it’s a sign that big brother sees your system is having problems.  Rather than install the patch – IMHO – it’s wiser to use the ISO/download/upgrade now page as that will identify any issues and be the best way to solve it.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #1954607 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      It’s a lot quicker for me if I just get on a pc and run windows update vs. running an ISO upgrade. I can log in or switch user on the problem pc’s, run Windows Update, allow the patch to install in about a minute ,and then log off and allow everything to continue updating and installing without further babysitting.

      If this was available via WSUS I could create a group of all the machines showing install failure, put them in that group and approve the install for only that group.

      Thank you Susan!

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

      • #1954972 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        but installing a feature update thru ISO is better than downloading/installing a feature update thru WU or WSUS and the ISO method provides very high sucess rate

        • This reply was modified 4 weeks ago by  EP.
    • #1954620 Reply

      MikeM
      AskWoody Lounger

      Has anyone else experienced KB4494452 and KB4512575 installing, rebooting the machine, and then they install again, over and over, always needed but since they are already installed they fail, so it retries again…

      I’m using BigFix, so they may have a pony in this race.  I’ll open a ticket with them, but I just wanted to check here to see if it’s a common thing or not.

    • #1954974 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      Has anyone else experienced KB4494452 and KB4512575 installing, rebooting the machine, and then they install again, over and over, always needed but since they are already installed they fail, so it retries again…

      I’m using BigFix, so they may have a pony in this race.  I’ll open a ticket with them, but I just wanted to check here to see if it’s a common thing or not.

      those two updates [KB4494452 and KB4512575] are for 1709 enterprise & education editions only, MikeM.
      they fail to install on 1709 home & professional editions as those editions went EOL (aka “out of support”) on April 2019. you need to upgrade to 1803, 1809 or higher

      • This reply was modified 4 weeks ago by  EP.

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