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    • #1927079 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Is your machine red-lining after installing today’s KB 4512941, the second August cumulative update for Win10 version 1903? Günter Born has a workarou
      [See the full post at: The second August patch for Win10 1903 shoots one core up to 100% utilization]

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    • #1927171 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Is your machine red-lining after installing today’s KB 4512941, the second August cumulative update for Win10 version 1903? Günter Born has a workarou
      [See the full post at: The second August patch for Win10 1903 shoots one core up to 100% utilization]

      Didn’t Microsoft state that there are NO known issues with KB 4512941 ? 🙂

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    • #1927344 Reply

      juzuo
      AskWoody Lounger

      Didn’t this patch sit like over a week at release preview ring? So much use for that.

      Might have probably just send it straight to public with the 1809, 1803 and 1709 patches. Then MS could have had time to get this fixed in third patch round by the end of this month. Now it’s likely to be fixed late next month as regular patch Tuesday is less than 10 days ahead, no way MS is going to bother hurry to fix for this by then.

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    • #1927365 Reply

      GreatAndPowerfulTech
      AskWoody Lounger

      This is really sad. But, Woody did warn us that August was a time when the big guns went on vacation leaving the second string behind to do what they do. He was right.

      GreatAndPowerfulTech

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    • #1927483 Reply

      anonymous

      Several users are also having problems installing the update.

      https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/139532-cumulative-update-kb4512941-windows-10-v1903-build-18362-329-aug-30-a-2.html#post1707151

       

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    • #1927656 Reply

      anonymous

      The following Registry Change help to fix the problem for me:

      [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search]
      „AllowCortana“=dword:00000001
      „BingSearchEnabled“=dword:00000001

      After change boot the PC.

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      b
    • #1927684 Reply

      anonymous

      Turning off Cortana in the first place is certainly the preferred action. Additionally, blocking www[.]bing[.]com (DNS resolver, hosts file, etc.) is another good option.

    • #1927732 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Is your machine red-lining after installing today’s KB 4512941, the second August cumulative update for Win10 version 1903?

      No. Everything works just fine.

      Günter Born has a workaround.

      He also says, “… the problem only occurs if users have changed the search settings.”
      (i.e. disabled Bing/Cortana by tweaking the registry.)
      Update KB4512941 for Windows 10 Version 1903

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      • #1927779 Reply

        anonymous

        People have changed search settings via registry edits because Microsoft has broken the group policy items that let them turn off web search.   So no, things do not work “just fine”  and haven’t for quite a while now.  When Microsoft introduces obnoxious changes or bugs, people will try to find workarounds.

        • #1927828 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          So no, things do not work “just fine”  and haven’t for quite a while now.

          They do for me, which is what I said (answering “Is your machine red-lining … ?”).

          Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

    • #1927973 Reply

      Geo
      AskWoody Plus

      Whats the deal with the Home users who must take all the updates?  I don’t hear any complaints from them.  I still use W7  home premium.   Should we home users be in a hurry to switch to W10?

      • #1928132 Reply

        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Whats the deal with the Home users who must take all the updates?  I don’t hear any complaints from them.  I still use W7  home premium.   Should we home users be in a hurry to switch to W10?

        Windows 10 home users who take the auto updates lose each month $1T in damages due to non functioning PCs.
        No one will take Microsoft to court over these damages.

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        Geo
        • #1928138 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          Windows 10 home users who take the auto updates lose each month $1T in damages due to non functioning PCs.

          Who says? (How could anyone possibly “know” that?)

          Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

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        • #1930337 Reply

          warrenrumak
          AskWoody Plus

          Whats the deal with the Home users who must take all the updates?  I don’t hear any complaints from them.  I still use W7  home premium.   Should we home users be in a hurry to switch to W10?

          Windows 10 home users who take the auto updates lose each month $1T in damages due to non functioning PCs.
          No one will take Microsoft to court over these damages.

          Oh, hogwash.  Assuming there’s 200 million Windows 10 Home users (out of 800 million total Windows 10 devices) that’d be $5,000 per user, per month.

          That is significantly higher than the average global net income for Windows 10 Home users.

           

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    • #1927998 Reply

      anonymous

      Search and Cortana is suspended, using 0% CPU, however they are on top of memory and disk usage.

      Forgive me my doubt, but is this normal?

      Paul

    • #1928380 Reply

      anonymous

      KB4512941 was offered as an optional update with a “download and install now” button.  If you install it and then uninstall, subsequently clicking the “Check for updates” button causes it to be immediately downloaded and re-installed, not optional, no download-and-install-now button.  That’s unexpected, to me at least, but maybe I just don’t pay enough attention to the state of play re Windows updates.

      • #1928406 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        “Check for Updates” in Win10 does not mean CHECK for updates.
        It means “Download and install whatever is available whether you want it or not.”
        “Check for updates” in Win10 makes you a “Seeker.”

        NEVER click “Check for updates” in Win10 unless you want a surprise.

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        • #1928429 Reply

          anonymous

          Thanks, I understand, but I’m testing in a VM, idle hands are the devil’s workshop.  And I think you missed the point – the patch was offered as optional with a download-and-install-now button only the first time.  Subsequent “seeks” after uninstalling the patch display the old anti-social Windows update behavior, the patch shows up again and immediately installs, with no download-and-install-now button present.

          • #1928605 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            No, I didn’t miss the point.
            The “Download and install now” is a completely different thing from “Check for Updates.” They are two un-associated ways of handling updates.

            “Download and install now” is a suggestion. “This is available, do you want to download and install?” It does not download/install unless you agree. The option may not always be available.

            You checked for updates, but “Check for Updates” has always not given the option. It is not a “check.” If the update is available for your PC (which it was after you uninstalled it), if you click on “Check for Updates”   you get the immediate download/install, without it stopping to say “This is available, do you want to download and install now?”

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          • #1933593 Reply

            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            if you really want to manually check for updates in Win10, use either WUMT (windows update minitool) or WuMgr from DavidXanatos github page

            those 2 tools can check for new Win10 updates w/out automatically downloading & installing them

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    • #1930423 Reply

      teuhasn
      AskWoody Lounger

      Microsoft may have already pulled KB 4512941. I went to block it on my one 1903 PC using wushowhide, but it’s not showing up there. It’s not showing up in my Update History either, so it hasn’t already been applied (nothing since August 3). I don’t have Cortana enabled, but it’s a cumulative update; it should still show up on wushowhide if still available.

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    • #1930623 Reply

      Fred
      AskWoody Plus

      KB4512941 is still listed in the MS Catalog for download.

      I was too late , didnt notice the thread…. Now I have renamed the Cortana-search in it’s directory , so my processor is quiet again. Did not use Cortana anyway.

      Reminds me of those early days I had to quiet dr.Watson…… Told my boss that wasnt the way to shutup lousy programming ….

      Who can tell how that ended?  😁

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    • #1931038 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      You checked for updates, but “Check for Updates” has always not given the option. It is not a “check.” If the update is available for your PC (which it was after you uninstalled it), if you click on “Check for Updates” you get the immediate download/install, without it stopping to say “This is available, do you want to download and install now?”

      That bold statement is not true for any of my machines.  Call me a Seeker; I click on All settings > Update & Security > Check for updates regularly.  Maybe not every day, but close enough.

      I got KB4512941 and KB 4511555 on my daily-driver desktop on 8/30 (the first time it was offered to me) only after clicking on “This is available, do you want to download and install now?”  I got them both on my NAS and my laptop today, same circumstances; clicked on “download and install now”.

      It’s been that way ever since that feature (download and install now) was incorporated into Windows 10 Pro, which is what I’m running on both sides of my dual boot on my daily-driver, my NAS and laptop.

      I don’t have any of the 4 cores of my CPU red-lining or running at 100% at any time I’ve checked using Task Manager/Performance and Resource Monitor.  I have Cortana and a few other services “suspended” through options available in the GUI.  There was no need to go into the registry to do so.  In Resource Monitor they show up as “suspended” and using 0 resources.

      I don’t delay updates, I run fully patched, including quality updates, all the time on every machine on my network; daily-driver first, then the others as I get time.  I have no BSOD’s, no blank screens, no problems.  The canary is still singing.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!
      "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Savvy?"—Captain Jack Sparrow
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns

      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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    • #1931069 Reply

      Justin42
      AskWoody Lounger

      Wow, I uninstalled KB4512941 after having some issues (no search, Start Menu lost all customizations) and deciding to wait until they’re fixed to try it again. Since it wasn’t a “required” patch I didn’t think anything of it. Walked away from the computer for an hour or so, came back, and Windows 10 helpfully re-installed it for me without my permission or acknowledgement!

      Thanks, Microsoft, that’s exactly what I wanted it to do when I uninstalled it manually. 😛

       

    • #1931176 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      Once more, for the record, I’m not an IT professional riding herd on a network for a business that uses mission-critical software.  I’m just a home user with a home network who likes to do things my own way.  My web site (no ads) has more details.  I’m well aware that the IT Pros that frequent AskWoody have greater concerns.

      I had everything but the B side of my dual boot up-to-date, so I booted over there.  This is how it works when I’m fully updated, nothing (except drivers) blocked or skipped.

      Windows-update

      Also, I’ve never gotten a spontaneous restart because of an update.  I always get this:

      Update-restart

      I don’t skip updates (except drivers), I don’t wait to update, I don’t worry about MS-DEFCON.  I stay fully updated on 5 Windows 10 Pro installations.  All my platform hardware is 6 years old (my SSD’s and HDD’s are newer) so I’m far from the bleeding edge.  But everything just works, the way I want it to work, that’s all I’m after, and the canary is still singing.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!
      "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Savvy?"—Captain Jack Sparrow
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns

      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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      • #1931274 Reply

        anonymous

        These sorts of posts make me curious. If that’s your stance, then why become an MVP here? The main premise of the site is “don’t apply updates right away. Wait and mitigate the risk.” So what draws you to the site if you don’t do that?

        I know the reason I’m here is that I’ve been bitten by updates in the past. I searched for a long time for a place that would give the actual risks and such. I even remembered finding this site once in the past, before I’d had problems, and then had tons of trouble finding it again when things came crashing down.

        If it wasn’t for the MS-DEFCON thing, I’d never be around. So I’m just curious what else draws people–so much that you’d be willing to become an MVP.

        (Now, if you were a Pro member, I’d assume you came over from Windows Secrets. But, MVPs, if I understand correctly, came over when the site was just Woody. )

        • #1931310 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Woody welcomes differing points of view, differences in experience and opinion. Being a member or reader here is not restricted to techie/geeky types and does not require adherence to the DEFCON System.

          The MVPs are recognized for their expertise and their ability to give helpful constructive advice. That does not confine them to any particular viewpoint. Many came over from WSL, but there are others of us that are just AskWoody squatters. Some love Win10, others do not, and some are even willing to help Win7 Users beyond EOL.

          But one thing you can count on. The MVPs are here if you have a question or need help.

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    • #1931225 Reply

      Justin42
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just for clarification on my point (That Win 10 reinstalled and rebooted on its own) I’m running Windows 10 Enterprise (I am in IT) and do usually try to update fairly fast just to be aware of issues. Thankfully I usually avoid them. In this case for the initial installation I did the “Check for Updates” and then “Download and install now” for KB4512941. It installed fine and seemed to run fine for a day or so until the weird issues started, so I uninstalled it through control panel. I rebooted the computer, verified things worked as expected, and left it alone to do other things. (I did lock it)

      I came back and some of the windows I had left open were in weird places, and some were gone. The start menu/search wasn’t working and when I went to Update History, it showed that KB4512941 had been installed today and the machine had done a restart in the time I was gone.

      This doesn’t seem like the normal “Expected” behavior in any way. I did not click “Check for Updates” at any point after uninstalling KB4512941 because I did not want to wake the (I presumed) sleeping giant.

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    • #1931381 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      These sorts of posts make me curious. If that’s your stance, then why become an MVP here? The main premise of the site is “don’t apply updates right away. Wait and mitigate the risk.” So what draws you to the site if you don’t do that?

      I came over from Windows Secrets Lounge.  There, I was a “Super Moderator”, equivalent to MVP here.  To answer your question, in part, think of me as the canary in the coal mine.  My systems are fully prepared for catastrophic failure.  The first part of my signature line is

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

      I use Task Scheduler to create drive images weekly.  I use Task Scheduler to copy my data in three different places, in addition to OneDrive in the cloud.  I use a drive dock in the top of my NAS to copy my drive images to a removable HDD.  I’m protected “three ways from Sunday” in the event that some Windows Update might pooch one of my systems, so I’m not in the least worried in being a “Seeker” and getting updates as soon as they are released.  I can undo any damage in under 6 minutes just by restoring a drive image.

      But in my experience, that hasn’t happened; no Windows Update has given me BSOD’s or black screens or bricked any of my PC’s.  I’m not advising that everyone should do as I do, with the exception of keeping fresh drive images; I advise everyone to do that.

      Over the years I have helped a number of people with a number of problems, and I’m here at AskWoody to continue to do just that.  Not all problems are the result of Windows Updates.  Some require digging into the guts of Windows and sorting some things out.  Those are the kinds of puzzles I can really get into, and I like to help folks.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!
      "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Savvy?"—Captain Jack Sparrow
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns

      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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      • #1931411 Reply

        Fred
        AskWoody Plus

        [AT]Bbearen : most appreciated. A bit similar here. It’s a dangerous world. Regards

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    • #1931622 Reply

      DAVe3283
      AskWoody Plus

      Out of morbid curiosity, I installed this patch on my Windows 10 Enterprise 1903 machine. I have Bing and Cortana disabled through Group Policy (not by directly editing the registry). I got the problem described here: black search window and 1 CPU core at 100% usage. Rolling the patch back now. Hopefully they get this fixed soon.

      Edit: Removing KB4512941 brought things back to normal. KB4512508 seems to be working fine on this PC, though.

      • This reply was modified 3 weeks ago by  DAVe3283. Reason: Report on rollback results
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      • #1931807 Reply

        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Out of morbid curiosity, I installed this patch on my Windows 10 Enterprise 1903 machine. I have Bing and Cortana disabled through Group Policy (not by directly editing the registry). I got the problem described here: black search window and 1 CPU core at 100% usage. Rolling the patch back now. Hopefully they get this fixed soon.

        Edit: Removing KB4512941 brought things back to normal. KB4512508 seems to be working fine on this PC, though.

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks ago by  DAVe3283. Reason: Report on rollback results

        Enabling Bing will fix that as well.

    • #1932272 Reply

      glnz
      AskWoody Plus

      Win 10 Pro version 1903.  Installed KB 4512941 and rebooted.  CPU went up to 40% and stayed there.

      Uninstalled and rebooted.  CPU now close to 0%.  But in Updates > View Update History, KB 4512941 is shown as still installed.  Is that typical?

      Also, looking at bbearren’s post above, I have never once seen “Optional Updates Available” in Win 10 Pro.  Is there a setting to make that a possibility?

      Thanks.

      • #1932299 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Uninstalled and rebooted. CPU now close to 0%. But in Updates > View Update History, KB 4512941 is shown as still installed. Is that typical?

        History is history. If an event happened, you can’t take it back. The uninstall is not recorded in Windows Update History because Windows Update did not uninstall it, you did. History is not the same as installed updates.

        If you want to see what is currently installed, Look in the link “uninstall updates” in Settings, or Control Panel\Programs and Features “View installed updates”

        Also, looking at bbearren’s post above, I have never once seen “Optional Updates Available” in Win 10 Pro. Is there a setting to make that a possibility?

        In Win10, updates are not identified as “Important” and “Optional” as they were in Win7/8.1. The Optional Updates (with the exception of emergency hotfixes) are the updates issued between Patch Tuesdays. Depending on your settings (Group Policy and/or Registry) you may not see the optional updates unless you deliberately “Check for updates” and thus become a “seeker.”

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        • #1932362 Reply

          glnz
          AskWoody Plus

          PKCano – thanks for info on the “Uninstalled Updates”.

          You also wrote, “Depending on your settings (Group Policy and/or Registry) you may not see the optional updates unless you deliberately “Check for updates” and thus become a “seeker.” ”
          Are there some Group Policy and/or Registry settings that would display optional updates the way they show in bbearren’s post above?

          • #1932370 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Yes. Under Automatic Updates\Windows Update for Business there are three items that give the settings for SAC and deferrals that used to be in the Settings app GUI under Windows Update\Advanced Settings. Read carefully what Enabling and Disabling does and what each of the settings do.
            How long MS will keep them functional for non-domain connected PCs is anybody’s guess. Control is going away, unannounced, bit by bit.

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            • #1932481 Reply

              glnz
              AskWoody Plus

              PKCano – thanks for guiding me to that spot in Group Policy.

              But it is not clear to me what setting change will make possible what we see in in bbearen’s post above: “Optional updates available”.  (Trying to copy that below.)

              Sorry – I confess to playing hooky when you were teaching this class the first time around.

              https://www.askwoody.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Windows-update.png

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            • #1932500 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Read the instructions in each of the items. They explain what each of the settings do. You do no want to be in the Insiders, but you want to get Preview Builds.

            • #1932543 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Control is going away, unannounced, bit by bit.

              Examples please?

              Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

            • #1932551 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Removal of Settings App GUI settings for deferrals.
              This was unannounced and specifically affects non-techie Users who do not know how to use Group Policy or the Registry.

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            • #1932555 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              It hasn’t been removed. Deferrals still work.

              (Wouldn’t that be just one bit, even if true?)

              Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

            • #1932572 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The GUI settings HAVE been removed. Show me a screenshot from 1903 with functional GUI settings.

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              b
              AskWoody Plus

              The GUI settings HAVE been removed. Show me a screenshot from 1903 with functional GUI settings.

              Functional-GUI-settings-in-Windows-10-version-1903

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              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Can you show me a screenshot showing you can in fact change the 365 day deferral (in 1903) to 360 days using the GUI settings. and I will eat my words. Because every time I tried that the settings pulldown either disappeared or became non functional (grayed out). I’m willing to concede if you can show me.

            • #1932586 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Can you show me a screenshot showing you can in fact change the 365 day deferral (in 1903) to 360 days using the GUI settings. and I will eat my words. Because every time I tried that the settings pulldown either disappeared or became non functional (grayed out). I’m willing to concede if you can show me.

              Functional-GUI-settings-in-Windows-10-version-1903-still

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            • #1932589 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Thank you. I didn’t find that possible when I was testing. I will try it again.
              What if any GP or Registry settings do you have related to the GUI settings?

            • #1932642 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Can you clarify something. The OP asking the question was about an individual machine, not a business situation. I am running Win10 Pro 1903. This is what I see. The GUI setting is grayed out (nonfunctional) with Windows Update for Business set at SAC and 365. The question: Are you running  the Pro or Enterprise version? And, if Pro, what settings are you using?

              Screen-Shot-2019-09-02-at-10.57.38-AM

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              PKCano
              Da Boss

              @b

              Is that the Pro version or is it Enterprise.
              If it’s Enterprise, it isn’t pertinent to the discussion.

            • #1932765 Reply

              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Is that the Pro version or is it Enterprise.

              Pro.

               

              What if any GP or Registry settings do you have related to the GUI settings?

              None.

               

              This is what I see. The GUI setting is grayed out (nonfunctional) with Windows Update for Business set at SAC and 365.

              Isn’t that just because you have feature updates deferred in group policy?

              As indicated by “*Some settings are managed by your organization” and “View configured update policies”?

              Would you expect to be able to override a policy setting with a GUI setting?

              Note: If not configured by policy, individual users can defer feature updates by using Settings > Update & security > Windows Update > Advanced options.
              Configure when devices receive feature updates

               

              Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

            • #1932776 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              No, not because I have it set in GP. Before setting it in GP to 365, ther were no settings in GP and the pulldown was not available AT ALL. The deferral pulldown was missing. Give me a few and I will remove the GP settings, but this was discussed before several months ago and my screenshots are posted from that time.

            • #1932811 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              “*Some settings are managed by your organization” is due to “notify download/install” value 2
              Here’s what I see with WU in GP not configured, Settings in the Registry from the GUI pulldown settings when I upgraded 1809 -> 1903, still not functional Feature settings in the GUI. Can you explain. It’s not that there isn’t a deferral, it’s just the control is not available to the normal user who doesn’t dig in the Registry.

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              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Here’s what I see with WU in GP not configured, Settings in the Registry from the GUI pulldown settings when I upgraded 1809 -> 1903, still not functional Feature settings in the GUI. Can you explain.

              And if you change the registry 365 to 0?

               

              It’s not that there isn’t a deferral, it’s just the control is not available to the normal user who doesn’t dig in the Registry.

              I’m a normal user who has the control available in Settings.

               

              Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

            • #1933042 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              And if you change the registry 365 to 0?

              Sorry, got tied up in update KB4512508 Aug CU.
              GP still not configured, Regstry for GUI set to 0, grayed out 365 pulldown does not go away.

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              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Are you signed in as an administrator?

              I think you may have to Check for Updates before defer options reappear.

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    • #1932508 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      Also, looking at bbearren’s post above, I have never once seen “Optional Updates Available” in Win 10 Pro. Is there a setting to make that a possibility?

      Bear in mind,

      I don’t skip updates (except drivers), I don’t wait to update, I don’t worry about MS-DEFCON. I stay fully updated on 5 Windows 10 Pro installations. All my platform hardware is 6 years old (my SSD’s and HDD’s are newer) so I’m far from the bleeding edge. But everything just works, the way I want it to work, that’s all I’m after, and the canary is still singing.

      As far as settings via Windows Update Advanced options, this is what I’ve selected:

      Update-Options

      As far as editing Local Group Policy, this is it:

      Update-Policy

      I check for updates frequently; label me “Seeker”.  With the caveat that I’ve disabled driver updates, I’ve not turned down or uninstalled any Windows 10 Update that has been offered to any of my PC’s.

      Does staying fully updated keep me from having problems with updates?  I can’t say, because I have no way of testing that hypothesis.  But I can say that I haven’t had any problems with any Windows update on any of my 5 Windows 10 Pro installations.

      And again, I’m not an IT Pro riding herd on a large network of machines running mission-critical software, I’m just a home user with a home network, set up the way I want it to run.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!
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      EP
      AskWoody_MVP
      • #1934158 Reply

        Fred
        AskWoody Plus

        Long story in short: after updates  KB4512941 KB4512508  both gave high cpu usage for Cortana searchui.exe and loosing the Starmenu + use of the Notification area.  Any change or uninstall of the two updates KB4512941 KB4512508 gave a different Searchui.exe in the Cortana directory.. And I did not find any explaining text in Microsoft… I rolled back the image from just after the upgrade 1803 to 1903; both these two “updates” were gone.

        So: Microsofts Cortana may not be disabled or settings changed, or else you are punished….

        I think it’s a poor mess, and Microsofts testing its own updates is back to zero.

        Sniff.

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    • #1934472 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      How to fix high CPU usage after installing update KB4512941 on Windows 10

      The problem doesn’t seem to be widespread. But if you recently updated your computer, and you’re noticing high CPU usage, you can fix this problem by removing the cumulative update or modifying the Registry.

      In this Windows 10 guide, we’ll walk you through the steps to deal with the high CPU usage after installing build 18362.329.”

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    • #1934537 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      Microsoft has re-released KB4512941.  It just installed a couple of minutes ago via Windows Update, after I clicked Check for updates.  No noticeable change for me, but then I wasn’t having any red-lining with the first one.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!
      "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Savvy?"—Captain Jack Sparrow
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns

      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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      • #1934556 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        That’s weird. There’s no new entry in the Catalog. I just downloaded it from the Catalog, and all component files have 8-28 modification dates.

        ???

    • #1934562 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      That’s weird. There’s no new entry in the Catalog. I just downloaded it from the Catalog, and all component files have 8-28 modification dates.

      Check this post.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!
      "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Savvy?"—Captain Jack Sparrow
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns

      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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