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    I absolutely do NOT recommend that you upgrade to Win10 version 2004, until we’ve had a few more months to get the problems ironed out. That said, I’m
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    • #2272005

      I think I’ll begin only upgrading annually, to each fall release. I skipped from 1809 to 1909 with good results.

      Hoping the spring bugs get mostly worked out by the unpaid beta testers, and no new bugs get put in for the fall.

       

      • #2272076

        It is ludicrous for Microsoft to expect people to upgrade every six months. Apple and Google roll out new versions of macOS and Android every year, whereas Microsoft has adopted a six-month cadence that greys the hair of sysadmins the world over.

        Microsoft should adopt the same approach and only release major upgrades every year, rather than twice a year, and give each version at least three years of support, rather than 18 months. That way, people will have more control over what version they want to use while still giving Microsoft upgrades to play with… and, hopefully, more time to actually test them properly. What’s the rush with the Windows 10 upgrades, anyways? They’re not exactly being more competitive with them.

    • #2272022

      Also seeing a few reports of broken “Fresh Start” link in Windows Security > Device performance & Health.

      As per the support doc, Fresh Start page should open when you click on the ‘Advanced info’ link but it doesn’t and it opens the support doc. There’s no way to start Fresh Start from Windows Security app, but you can still use the tool.

      I’m not sure if this is May 2020 Update related.

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      • #2272274

        Apparently, “Fresh Start” is not working in Windows 10 2004 where the much needed “Get started” button is missing. The issue was brought to Microsoft attention by insiders and users via feedback hub many times before, but the company released May 2020 Update without fixing the issue.

        Ref: techdows
        So why ignore it when MSFT knew it needed fixed?

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    • #2272028

      Given Woody’s “a few more months” advice, I need assistance on how to further pause updates. As per the attached image, I have updates paused until June 29. I’m running Windows 10 Home 1909 and, although I’m on high speed, I also set my settings to being on a metered connection, just in case. To prevent an automatic download of 2004 without the “download and install” option, should I click on “resume updates” a day before on June 28 and then try and set the pause again for another month; or should I do that on June 29; or just let it expire and hope that I do have the option to manually pause agan? Thanking you for your assistance in this matter.

      x

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      • #2272050

        You can use wushowhide without upgrading to Pro. Keep metered on when you turn off Pause. Run wushowhide right away. I hide everything, then take my time researching the updates, and unhiding them when I am ready to allow them back into Windows Update. It has worked better than using Pause on the one W10 Home that I have access to.

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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        • #2272123

          Thank you kindly. I had stopped using wushowhide many months ago when things seemed to be stable and then forgot about it, but have put it back on my taskbar. I’ll run it immediately after I resume updates the day before the Pause is set to expire.

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        • #2272164

          Unfortunately, at this point, that seems to be the easiest way.

          We may find that MS will honor its “Download and install” commitment, though. Hope springs eternal.

    • #2272042

      Given Woody’s “a few more months” advice, I need assistance on how to further pause updates

      I would advice you to upgrade to Pro. GPEdit gives you more control over Windows 10 settings including Deferrals…
      You can also use Microsoft’s wushowhide.digicab tool to hide updates indefinably.

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    • #2272047

      Given Woody’s “a few more months” advice, I need assistance on how to further pause updates

      I would advice you to upgrade to Pro. GPEdit gives you more control over Windows 10 settings including Deferrals…
      You can also use Microsoft’s wushowhide.digicab tool to hide updates indefinably.

      Indeed. With the exception of driver updates that force themselves when I click “check for updates,” Pro, with the right settings, only notifies me that an update is ready and requires my permission. That was worth the upgrade price right there.

       

      That being said, my installation of 2004 was very stable , but it might just be a case of my computer (Lenovo Legion Y540 IRH) not having some of the fancier features of the latest generation. Maybe I got lucky?

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    • #2272045

      Thanks Woody. I just love it when I see this kind of unequivocal statement coming from you, because no one reading it can come back and say they didn’t understand what you where trying to say. I appreciate the warning! I do not want 2004 and will not care if I ever get it in the future.

      There must be thousands of people out there like me , who are non technical and who struggle every month to get through the morass which WIN 10 updating has become. We are so dependent upon clear, easy to understand guidance to be able to keep that one aging PC that we own running without breaking down. Because if it does, we just don’t have the expertise to get it back up again. This is why we became members of Ask Woody. We just have no other place to go for good, trustworthy advice, and I for one, follow your advice without question. I have done that on a consistant basis for a couple of years now, and my PC is running pretty well at the moment, with WIN 10 Home vs. 1909, build 18363.836 installed.

      The thing that scares me the most about the debacle with WIN 10 vs. 2004 is that it will be forced upon my PC without my permission, and I end up with an unusable box that I will not be able to restore and I will have lost my lifeline to the outside with nothing to replace it. Shame on MS for putting us in such an untenable position.

      So what I ask of you, Woody, together with all the magnificent experts who contribute to this site, can you please do your best to find a way for us to be able to lock out a completely unwanted and forced update to 2004 that MS decides to send down the pike and which will probably BSOD my one and only PC, or mess it up so bad that I personally will never be able to overcome the problems. I fear that without such a fix, I, and the thousands of PC owners like me, will be toast, courtesy of MS.

      Dell Vostro 270S, Intel Pentium 64 bit processor, 2.00GB Ram 

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      • #2272165

        Don’t be overly concerned.

        At this point, we only have a small number of people forced onto 2004 – and of those only a small percentage have problems.

        Not worth losing sleep over it – but, yep, I’ll be watching closely to see what happens. (As opposed to what MS says should happen.)

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    • #2272049

      You can also use Microsoft’s wushowhide.digicab tool to hide updates indefinably.

      But one catch-22 with using “wushowhide” and the “pause” updates, is that no updates will be available to hide while you have them paused.

      I have a copy of Home (laptop) and a copy of Pro (desktop), both on version 1909. I noticed this issue on my Home version since I started using the enhanced pause options in Home.

      I highly prefer the control of GPEdit on Pro.

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    • #2272051

      Given Woody’s “a few more months” advice, I need assistance on how to further pause updates

      I would advice you to upgrade to Pro. GPEdit gives you more control over Windows 10 settings including Deferrals…
      You can also use Microsoft’s wushowhide.digicab tool to hide updates indefinably.

      Indeed. With the exception of driver updates that force themselves when I click “check for updates,” Pro, with the right settings, only notifies me that an update is ready and requires my permission. That was worth the upgrade price right there.

       

      That being said, my installation of 2004 was very stable , but it might just be a case of my computer (Lenovo Legion Y540 IRH) not having some of the fancier features of the latest generation. Maybe I got lucky?

      You can block drivers update (I do) with GPEdit (on Pro) or in ‘Device Installation Settings’ on Home.

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    • #2272053

      But one catch-22 with using “wushowhide” and the “pause” updates, is that no updates will be available to hide while you have them paused.

      With wushowhide you don’t need the pause.

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      • #2272058

        the same could be said of WUMgr which I preferred over wushowhide. The newer version 1.1b has some neat tricks in there.

        Edit: ask yourself this question: If you are hesitant in applying MS patches (and rightly so), why on earth would you rely on an MS utility to control updates?
        The ‘rust‘ in ‘trust‘ continuously errodes © microfix

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    • #2272090

      Because I sell and service computers, I keep my ThinkPad up to date. I really don’t want to, But, I need to see how bad Windows keeps getting. This time I got hit with the TrackPad UltraNav settings being wiped out by Microsoft. Thanks guys. At least Lenovo had an updated driver that restored functionality. Now, I just need to wait for all the calls from customers I sold ThinkPads to. I normally set their machines to wait a month to install updates. That feature is now gone on my machine. I have to treat my Pro ThinkPad like a Windows Home PC. That was a stupid, and lazy, move on Microsoft’s part. Windows 10 is seriously annoying to deal with. Last year I had my SD card wiped and the drive letter changed. The bugs just keep on coming.

      GreatAndPowerfulTech

    • #2272101

      My daily driver (specs in a link in my signature) and my NAS (same motherboard/CPU) are DIY, so the OEM-specific issues don’t apply, but of the other bugs that have been reported I’ve tried all that I can, and the only thing so far is the “broken “Fresh Start” link in Windows Security > Device performance & Health.”  Then again, I rely exclusively on drive images, so that’s one of several features that I neither need nor use.

      Also, anything having to do with updated drivers is a non-issue, as I disabled driver updates in Group Policy a loooooong time ago.  When it comes to driver updates, I’ve always been in the “don’t” category.  I’ll keep bug huntin’ as they turn up, but other than that broken link mentioned above, nothing hits home on my systems.  My laptop is a Dell Latitude E5420 (circa 2011) and its dual boot is working fine on both sides.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

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    • #2272113

      As with bbearren the only bug i can confirm is the fresh start.

      And as far as drivers i can’t recall any time that Windows 10 has ever offered me any driver updates.

      Barry
      Windows 10 Home V 20H2

    • #2272117

      guys i did something and it worked for me. (for now). i also had that 2004 soon to be installed.

      running 1909 pro now. i unplugged my Ethernet cable from my PC. pressed resume update which i had on pause. it  failed to resume. (of course) then went back to settings and now i can postpone until the 19/7 before i had only until the 7th. i plugged the internet back on and it still says the 19/7 maybe if i log on to my admin account it might give me more to postpone. haven’t tried that yet. worth a try if you only have like 1 or 2 days until pause is resumed. let me know if that worked for you too 🙂

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    • #2272119

      I installed it on my work pc because that’s what I do for a living and I need to see how new things work in the corporate environment. And many of you geeks out there like me are always interested in new things.

      The reason I mention this is because whenever a new version of Windows 10 rolls out I ask my team members if they want me to push it to their work pc’s so they can check it out. Previously they all said, “Sure go ahead”. This time around with 2004 they all said “no thanks, not interested”. I’m the only person running 2004 in the office. 1909 will definitely remain our standard in the office and no plans on upgrading anyone to 2004 at all this year.

      Red Ruffnsore

    • #2272159

      I hope that with this, people don’t rush this install this version

      Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
    • #2272161

      But one catch-22 with using “wushowhide” and the “pause” updates, is that no updates will be available to hide while you have them paused.

      With wushowhide you don’t need the pause.

      Exactly! My point was that if you had paused them first, then they wouldn’t show up in wushowhide. Catch-22.

    • #2272191

      guys i did something and it worked for me. (for now). i also had that 2004 soon to be installed.

      running 1909 pro now. i unplugged my Ethernet cable from my PC. pressed resume update which i had on pause. it  failed to resume. (of course) then went back to settings and now i can postpone until the 19/7 before i had only until the 7th. i plugged the internet back on and it still says the 19/7 maybe if i log on to my admin account it might give me more to postpone. haven’t tried that yet. worth a try if you only have like 1 or 2 days until pause is resumed. let me know if that worked for you too 🙂

      that was me writing that post. i can also confirm that it worked on another PC runing 1903 pro

      🙂 thx all

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    • #2272195

      With Windows 10 2004 I also encountered a problem with scheduled maintenance task which as it seems tries to perform re-trim operation on non-SSD disks.

      I also found report about this maintenance task bug: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-2004-optimizationdefrag-bug/4c5498b9-04fe-41c9-8535-ed10313b6f33

      I tested it and can confirm same problem on my system. It looks like maintenance task don’t know the difference between HDD and SSD and tries to perform defrag and re-trim on both types of drives. Defragging SSD is something that is not wise to do.

      So for now I just disabled maintenance task and will perform re-trim manually.

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      • #2272298

        More on this – and a related problem with Windows not recording the date of the last trim – from Lawrence Abrams on BleepingComputer.

        Due to this, when you go back into the Windows Defragger, you will see that an SSD drive says it ‘Needs Optimization’ even though automatic maintenance was run this morning.

        All sorts of SSD fun ‘n games.

      • #2272383

        Defragging SSD is something that is not wise to do

        This is not a problem unless you write extremely large amounts of data every day – SSDs do not have short life spans.

        cheers, Paul

    • #2272272

      Hello, a novice here! Looking for guidance because I am clueless about technology. I have Toshiba and Acer laptops running on Window 8 and 8.1, respectively. I paused my updates on my Acer, but is it necessary? It seems like all of these problems revolve around computers running on Windows 10. If my computers update, they won’t update to Windows 10 2004, and therefore won’t have these issues?

      • #2272277

        This thread is about Win10 latest version 2004.
        We haven’t seen problems reported with Win8.1

      • #2272299

        I talk about Windows 8.1 in all of my Computerworld patching articles.

        Bottom line: It’s the most stable version of Windows, but you should still pause for two or three weeks before installing the patches.

    • #2272295

      Operating system is pretty complex, Windows 10 has had a history of issues with each feature upgrade. Given the lackluster list of new features in 2004, why would anyone be so eager to install it? Give it a couple months and then see how well Microsoft has addressed the issues and what new ones get discovered.

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    • #2272358

      Not sure whether this is replicable, but I’m fairly certain the update arbitrarily zeroed out the volume for Discord (and only Discord) on a ThinkPad 11e belonging to a very tech-impaired friend of mine.  No big deal if you know how to find the app sound settings, right?  He doesn’t.  He thought he’d done something wrong and broken the machine.

      i7-10700k - ASROCK Z590 Pro4 - 1TB 970 EVO Plus M.2 - DDR4 3200 x 32GB - GeForce RTX 3060 Ti FTW - Windows 10 Pro

    • #2272416

      For what it’s worth, I’ve just noticed that WU on my W10 Home laptop — which worrying lost the ability to delay updates by more than a day or two last month but has now reverted to a ‘normal ‘ delay facility — no longer sports any warning/forecast on the upcoming W2004 whatsoever. It was there last time I checked, now it’s gone completely.

    • #2272428

      Mayank Parmar on Windows Latest writes about an authentication bug:

      Google Chrome and a few other apps such as OneDrive forget user credentials on every reboot…

      “When I restart my computer, I’m not signed into my Google account when I start Chrome. All my website passwords are also forgotten. I also get the welcome page for one of my extensions (Adobe Acrobat extension for Google Chrome). This doesn’t happen when I restart just Chrome, but Windows + Chrome restart

    • #2272527

      Google Chrome and a few other apps such as OneDrive forget user credentials

      Add Edge, Windows 10 Mail app,.. to the list.

      Moderator edit: Alex, please limit your quotes, particularly when the reply is tiny.

    • #2272800

      A report from techdows claims that not only are some google chrome/edge users having issues with W10 2004, now it’s some firefox 77.0.1 users.

      After updating to Firefox 77.0.1 and Windows 10 2004, a white bar is appearing above Firefox tabs on monitors

      from the linked article.

      Mozilla are looking into the issue…

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    • #2272897

      Microsoft updated a support page, Track your device and performance health in Windows Security, recently that explains what happened to Fresh Start. According to the information published there, Fresh Start has not been removed from the operating system but moved to another location.

      Microsoft does not publish full changelogs when it releases a new version of Windows 10; some changes are not documented at all, and it appears that the moving of Fresh Start falls into that category.

      The company notes:

      Fresh start is available for Windows 10 versions prior to 2004. For version 2004 and after, Fresh start functionality has been moved to Reset this PC.

      You need to open Start > Settings > Update & Security > Recovery > Reset this PC > Get Started to use Fresh Start on devices running Windows 10 version 2004 or later.

      Windows 10 version 2004: Fresh Start is not gone, it is just somewhere else

      Windows 10 Pro version 21H2 build 19044.1682 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

    • #2272927

      woody

      another new bug for the Win10 v2004 update – it makes Google Chrome browsers “forgetful” of user logins (recently reported by Born and Neowin):

      https://borncity.com/win/2020/06/16/windows-10-version-2004-rgert-chrome-nutzer/

      https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-may-2020-update-makes-google-chrome-forgetful-logs-out-everywhere

    • #2273226

      and woody – don’t forget about the MS Defrag bug in v2004, which seems to always “forget” its status after a restart – recently reported by both Born and BleepingComputer:

      https://borncity.com/win/2020/06/17/windows-10-2004-bug-defragmentiert-ssds-zu-hufig/

      https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-alert-defragger-bug-defrags-ssd-drives-too-often/

      • #2273235

        Good links for more info- but Woody got it… see Post # 2272298

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

    • #2274590

      I updated to version 2004 of Windows 10 this week.  It made a change in the way that my Edge favorites are displayed.  Prior to the change, my Favorites displayed in drop down menus, not menus that open to the side.  If I selected a Favorite, viewed the page, then went back and clicked on the star at the top of the  page, the last drop down menu was still visible so if I wanted another Favorite in the same favorite directory, that directory was still displayed.  Now I have to go back to the top level directory and start over again.  I have my grouped my favorites in directories for ease of locating them (ie.  all news websites I read are in one directory containing all sites, all sports teams I follow are in one directory, etc.).  It is a pain to go from one news website to another since I am now forced to go back to the top directory and work my way down through subdirectories to get to any similar website.

      Is there a setting I can change that will restore the Favorites to the way they operated before?

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