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      • #2135373 Reply
        KYKaren
        AskWoody Plus

        Could we have the time zone of the reply in the time stamp?

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      • #2135429 Reply
        ScotchJohn
        AskWoody Plus

        KYKaren – I have asked this question.

        I think the answer is NO, at least for the time being.

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        • #2135434 Reply
          KYKaren
          AskWoody Plus

          Sorry to have asked the question again. My search term was “time stamp” and nothing came up, so I asked here.

          Is the time stamp the time/time zone in which the user messages? Or is the time stamp, the time/zone in which the AskWoody server records the message. If the servers is/are in one location, then maybe someone who knows could just say what the time zone is, so we could keep the information in mind?

          As a matter of fact, I will look at my message when it is recorded to see what the time stamp is. As a check, I can say that I am sending this message at 5:00 pm EST.

          update: AH HA, the time stamp appears to be CST.

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          • #2135437 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            The time on the messages is server time = CST US (UTC -6 I think)

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            • #2135443 Reply
              woody
              Da Boss

              I think it’s Central time — and may vary depending on whether we’re in Daylight Savings.

              It’s a persistent irritant, but I haven’t dug up the courage to try to change it, for fear of screwing up something.

              When we change the site design – maybe this summer – that’s definitely one of the items on the “want” list….

      • #2135605 Reply
        Bundaburra
        AskWoody Plus

        Makes it somewhat confusing if you are on the other side of the world and several time zones away.  As I write this, my local time is 6.39 pm on Feb 6th.  (That’s daylight savings time.  Without daylight saving it would be 5.39 pm.)  I wasn’t really using my computer at 1.39 am, heaven forbid.

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      • #2135647 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP
      • #2135993 Reply
        Bundaburra
        AskWoody Plus

        On the other hand, having a common time stamp gives the correct sequencing of replies.  I would suggest adding “Central US time” (or similar) to the end of the timestamp and leave it at that.

        Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 1909

      • #2136036 Reply
        Kirsty
        Da Boss

        @karlston was working on a script to enable browsers to show local times, but I’m not sure how well it was perfected.

        There is a way to find out timings of postings, by using timeanddate.com’s time difference calculator – just add your location for it to show you correctly, taking into account daylight saving differences at both ends.

      • #2136198 Reply
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        There is the World Clock, a Web site where one can have the current civil time in many main cities around the world. I imagine that the long list of cities and their local times could be downloaded with a browser and processed in some way to extract from it the proper local time for each posting. But having a common time stamp instead, helps make clear, as Bundaburra has explained, what is the proper order in which things have been posted, something that is more useful than the actual times at the places where and when those things were posted. After all, the whole point of being on line is to have very fast, if asynchronous, exchange of information, news, fake news, conspiracy theories and so on, and so forth.

        Or, alternatively to all the to-do with the World Clock I just have described, how about having that site bookmarked as a favorite — or as a favourite, in Bundaburra’s latitudes and longitudes — on the Bookmark’s bar or tiles of the browser, and consult it when there is a need to establish the correct time something was posted? Assuming one knows where it was posted from…

        https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

        Be all of the above as it may, my vote is for leaving things as they are. People, if they feel they have to, can always add a line, somewhere in their comment, saying something like, for example: “Posted on yyyy:mm:dd:hh:mn:sec, local time of wherever I am now.” (Naming the place, optional).

         

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        • #2136208 Reply
          KYKaren
          AskWoody Plus

          “Posted on yyyy:mm:dd:hh:mn:sec, local time of wherever I am now.”

          Yes, that would work. As a matter of fact, I did that in one of my posts, so that I could look at the time stamp and figure out the time zone of the server (CST).

          I would find a server time-stamp time-zone useful in interpreting a post from a user who said “Microsoft announced at 11:35 am that it had fixed the problem.” I don’t remember the time stamp of the message, but I do recall wondering if the announcement had just occurred or whether it had been some time ago. In this case, a time stamp on the message would have been useful.

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          • #2136217 Reply
            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            Maybe users could have printed automatically in the first line of their comments their local time, that they would have set up themselves in their accounts and would take care of keeping up to date, particularly when their hour changes from Winter to Summer time and then back, in those places where there are such changes? Doing this by entering in their accounts, in spaces to be provided for this, the corresponding time zone, concisely identified by the number of hours plus or minus UTC? Their automatically printed local time stamp would have their local hour, in the 12-hour system, plus whether it is AM, PM, Winter or Summer time — or neither? But all that will be in the first line of the comment. The time stamp in the grey bar atop the comment would still be US Central, as at present, giving a conveniently unified time line of when comments are posted.

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            • #2136231 Reply
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              Personally, the concept of giving away their locations, by timezone, scares me! It goes against the likes of the GDPR privacy rules, and allows the scraping, trawling bots to gather more information about users.

              Remember our Privacy policy reminds

              Your public profile information is just that – public – so please keep that in mind when deciding what information you would like to include.

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              • #2136237 Reply
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                The time zone is necessary for an automatic local-time stamping process. There may be a simple way to obfuscate it by the way the account is displayed, for example as passwords are, making them look like bunches of asterisks. That does not prevent a password from being used to allow someone who knows it to login. The only way such information can become known by those who have no business knowing it, should be by someone staging a successful cyber attack on this site and stealing the information. Even then, of all that the perpetrators could get in this way, I think that names and emails would be much more useful to them than time zones. The email plus name should be enough for well-informed and wily crooks to figure out the rest, unless they are fake names and emails, of course…

                Or, in addition to the time zone, etc. being hidden behind asterisks, it could be made optional for the users to enter or not enter their local time-zones and related time information and, consequently, getting, or not getting their local time included in their postings. So it would be left to each lounger to figure out what is best for him- or herself.

                An idea worth thinking about after all, maybe?

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      • #2136438 Reply
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        I am assuming this but:
        Posts here are listed in the order received at either the end of a discussion or as a reply in line at the appropriate location.

        What the difference the AW local time it was received if it is in the ‘correct’ place on AW??

        Now a real problem with the forums is the difficulty FINDING new posts. Replies that arrive while still on line can get lost in the mix. I need to go through my email notifications and unsubscribed threads can easily be missed, I must go back and look for unfamiliar posts on the recent replies on the right of the page. And yes this is an old topic. Sorting a thread by AW local time submitted WOULD be a help.

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      • #2137033 Reply
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks Paul
        I had missed Suew’s post explaining how it is done Moz wise. Likely I did not get the email and missed it in ‘new posts since last visit’ if someone answers too quick while any AW page is still open there is no info in ‘new posts since last visit’ 🙁
        This should make things easier although I still do not know why it works, still reading the thread..

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      • #2137181 Reply
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Maybe my memory is already failing me, but I seem to remember that, until very, very recently, when looking into “Search for Posts/New Posts Last n days”, where there is a list of links to all recent comments from right now through n x 24 hours ago and listed from latest to oldest, when one clicked, for example on the link to Cybertooth’s, who, right now as I write this, was the latest to comment here, one got to the thread, but to the very top of it and, particularly if this was a long one, it was a real job to find the latest comment mentioned in the link. Once found, if it was a “REPLY” to another comment, one could find the one being answered, even if it was one in a long chain of comments, right away.

        So, whether I am becoming ready to move into “assisted living”, or something has changed here, and much for the better: If it has changed, Cheers! Hip! Hip! Hurray!! If not: Oh, Dear! Oh, Dear… (And, please, break the bad news to me gently…)

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        • #2137205 Reply
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          What I have resorted to doing, in situations where there are multiple “New” posts, is to search for the word “new” on the page. That’s a bit clunky of course, and doesn’t work well when numerous posters may be discussing some “new” feature or other.

          Website suggestion: to make new posts easier to locate, add a special character to the black label marking a “New”post. Something as simple as an exclamation point (“New!”) would do the trick. That would narrow down the potential results considerably.

           

          • #2137459 Reply
            wavy
            AskWoody Plus

            Oscar
            I am not getting the same as you, only first post,, unless I click the BROWN 😲 ‘>’ on the title there.

            reminding me of the ‘show posts in last day’ option is some thing I am revisiting 😉

            And as was recently pointed out to me by PaulT in Palemoon if one searches a thread with “rt n” the NEW at the head line of new posts is highlighted if loaded form ‘new posts since last visit’ link. Seems to be some html artifact with the “report” link at the end of the header and the actual word “NEW” in the post header.

            I am getting used to what must be done to keep abreast here but sorely miss WS’s excellent, if some what trouble prone implementation.

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        • #2137306 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Clicking on the right arrow at the end of the topic takes you to the “most recent unread” post.
          This does not always work, hence the regex search.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2137466 Reply
            Cybertooth
            AskWoody Plus

            @paul_t,  where do you see this “right arrow at the end of the topic”?

            • #2137526 Reply
              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Wavy: There is one arrow just to the right of the thread’s name, listed on the left of the screen, but, as far as I can see (check out the attached screen shot I just took), it would seem they are only available for some of the topics started by Woody, Susan and the other regular home page bloggers, not for topics initiated by loungers.

               

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              • #2137535 Reply
                Kirsty
                Da Boss

                it would seem they are only available for some of the topics started by Woody, Susan and the other regular home page bloggers, not for topics initiated by loungers.

                No! It is not limited to AskWoody blog topics… “regular loungers” feature in the lists too, as do anons (although this can only be seen when logged in, not browsing anonymously).

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              • #2137546 Reply
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                Kirsty, I was logged in when I took that screenshot. And still am: usually, I never log out, but let the system do it for me. Also the question here, as I understand it to be, is how one gets to see the last post in any thread, whether it has been commented very recently or not.

                If one is taken to the very top of a thread instead of the latest comment, finding the comment one is looking for (the latest one, whether from five seconds ago or from two days ago, that is showing on the right hand side of the page, before the brown sidebar, to being with, and then going up from there, if necessary, to find the other most recent ones) is OK if the thread is short, but hard if it is long and particularly hard if there are many subthreads (successive replies to the same comment) that do not begin and end close to the end of the main thread.

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              • #2137548 Reply
                Kirsty
                Da Boss

                I was logged in … I never log out.

                My comment about being logged in was for general information, not for your edification, to provide context and clarity.

                Strange as it may seem, others will be reading this, at some point in the future! 😉
                It may just help them…

              • #2137551 Reply
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                I thought you were replying to me. Hard to tell here, sometimes. But also I was trying to make the situation clear, as your answer did seem to require some explaining.

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              • #2137538 Reply
                mledman
                AskWoody Plus

                The arrow (usually) takes you to the first new reply since you last looked at that thread, regardless of the author.

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              • #2137552 Reply
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                ‘Usually’ might be the proper word, because the thread with the arrow in the picture I put in my recent comment was one I had never looked at, because the topic does not concern me.

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      • #2137672 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Blue posts are ones you have not yet read.
        Green posts are ones you have already read that have new posts. The right arrow only appears on these green ones.

        cheers, Paul

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