Time to wrap up November updating — no bow required

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PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley By now, you should be getting over the side effects of too much turkey and pie. Getting over some Windows upgrading issue
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I always wonder, because it’s happened to more than a couple of times, how many Windows 10 upgrades get blocked because there’s a USB drive plugged into the machine that’s been forgotten?

Eject the drive (you don’t even need to physically unplug it) and the upgrade rolls right along.  Even better, after the restart(s), that drive is present again.

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[Alex5723]

MHCLV941 wrote:

I always wonder, because it’s happened to more than a couple of times, how many Windows 10 upgrades g

I have updated from 1809 > 1903 > 1909 > 2004 > 2009 > 20H2 while an external USB 3.0 HDD was attached to my laptop. Never has a problem.

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As my signature shows, I have 2 machines now. Testing & will probably buy a used Win 10 Compaq from a friend. It’s currently on v1909, & the Conexant audio driver is blocking v2004. As the dog in the burning house meme says, “This is fine.” Also still have my Win8.1 machine, which was updated this past weekend. The AC adapter jack’s loose & doesn’t always charge; the cord connecting to the adapter is now frayed & another reason it sporadically charges. Not seeing any “C week optional” updates or SSU yet, because quality updates are delayed to this weekend (Dec. 5th). Feature updates are delayed 365; another way to prevent v2004 from updating yet. Looks like I have Office Online installed; can subscribe to Microsoft 365. Should I subscribe, or do I even have a choice besides the Online version?

Bought a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, currently updated to 22H2. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
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Should I subscribe, or do I even have a choice besides the Online version?

It depends if you need it? If youd like to have Microsoft Office package, than you can subscribe for some amount of money (it depends what version do you choose – Student, Personal, Bussiness …)

I would say if you did not need until now, you wont need it in the future.
And to your second question – yes, there are numerous options beside Online versions. You can still have.. lets say.. locally installed office package. And by office package I do not mean just Microsoft Office, but also its free “siblings” OpenOffice and Libre office, which does almost exactly the same for you.

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Will the audio driver issue block the upgrade using ISO downloaded by the media creation tool? Thanks for the answer.

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[Alex5723]

anonymous wrote:

Will the audio driver issue block the upgrade using ISO downloaded by the media creation tool? Thanks for the answer.

Installing from ISO while disconnected from Internet as recommended, should not block the upgrade.

There is also the option to unblock upgrades.

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2004 & 20H2 users recently got a new “preview” update Monday Nov. 30 afternoon – KB4586853

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4586853/windows-10-update-kb4586853

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I usually wait for my pause updates to expire on my 10/1909 Home laptops and only apply the month’s updates a few days before the next month’s updates are available. I just feel safer not having updates enabled but the day that I decide to get that done soon before then next month’s updates arrive.

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You don’t need to pause on a Home machine. Set the network connection to metered and you can see what is available and choose to download/install.

You can also use WUmgr for a nicer update experience.

cheers, Paul

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Windows 10 Home here…  If I set the connection to metered I can actually choose which updates I want installed?

How does that work? Do I remove the metered status or keep it while updating?

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Not really, but nothing happens until you select download / install.
WUmgr lets you choose individual updates, but you still need metered on to prevent Windows doing it automatically.

cheers, Paul

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Hey guys-is it safe to install KB4586878 or no? Need clarification on that update because gonna install the cumulative nov update tonight-the safe updates.

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That is a preview. Do not install previews.

cheers, Paul

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Paul T wrote:

WUmgr for a nicer update experience

Patchfluent is nice.

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Quick question about Windows Update and how to possibly regulate how often it scans for new updates. I have yet to receive the Nov updates, but I do see KB 4586786 in WUSHOWHIDE. I have been waiting for it to show up on my WU screen, and so far, it has not. That settings screen tells me the last time it checked was on Nov 30 and at that point did not yet “see” KB 4586786 so it didn’t list it.

I have Win 10 Pro set to defer updates for 15 days – yet it seems to take far longer. I tried also setting the Group Policy choice of how often to check to 5 hours – that also hasn’t done it.

So – I guess my questions are – how can I make WU check more often when we get to the end of the patching cycle, if it hasn’t gotten updates on its own? And, is it OK now to just click “Check for Updates” to get that one before the weekend so that I can reset and prepare for December.

In WUSHOWHIDE there are also 2 Defender updates, which I’ll want, along with a slew of Intel, NVIDIA and Realtek updates that have been there for some time – they are never downloaded to WU. I can hide those before clicking “Check for Updates” if need be. And I did also see KB 4023057 in WUSHOWHIDE, which I hid again – seems I did that a couple of times.

I’d like to get this Nov update done today so that I don’t need to keep watching for it over the weekend.

Thanks!

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In wushowhide, hide the drivers and KB 4023057.
Be sure you have the “2” (notify download/install) set in Group Policy.
Set Quality deferral = 0 (zero).
Wait for Windows Update to scan on its own.
Verify only the updates you want are in the WU queue.
Click on the “Download” button.

NEVER click on “Check for updates.”  You will get bombarded with everything that’s out there.

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[LHiggins]

I already had “2” (notify download/install) set in Group Policy.
I just set Quality deferral = 0 (zero).

I already had hidden 4023057 when it first appeared in WUSHOWHIDE earlier in the week.

Will hide the other updates and wait – hopefully it will reset itself soon!

Thanks!

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LHiggins wrote:

how can I make WU check more often

You can run Windows update manually : usoclient.exe StartScan

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Thanks! I’ll look into that, but how is it different from clicking Check for Updates?

 

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Clicking Check for Updates tells Windows to install everything that is in the queue after checking for the latest updates. The install bit cannot be stopped.

You could try WUmgr to get a view of what is available and what you have hidden – it’s a stand alone app, no install.

cheers, Paul

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LHiggins

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Thanks Paul! I’ll see if things change today and if it finally will give me that one update. If not, I will look into WUmgr too. Seems to me that WU should actually check more than once every 4 or 5 days.

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Manually check for updates with WUMgr.

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OK – I have a few questions about WUmgr. I downloaded it, ran it to get updates – which listed the same ones as I see in WUSHOWHIDE. I then tried to manually download and install KB 4586786 and got a long series of failure notices within WUmgr.

I then tried to install one of the Defender updates – that worked fine. I’m posting my screenshot of the settings and that error message:

Is there something in the settings I should adjust?

Thanks!

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Uncheck “Manual Download/Install” and try again.

What I showed you in my settings are the setting I use.

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[geekdom]

Then click the circle.

When a desired, unchecked update appears, check it.

Then click the box with the down arrow to download and install the update. (Two symbols to the right of the circle.)

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[LHiggins]

Thanks – I’ll try it again.

But another question – it lists the size of KB 4586786 as 89.29 GB? Can that be right? When it downloads “normally” using WU – is it compressed? Does WUmgr compress the download? Nearly 90 GB is two months worth of my data – no way I can download anything that big unless it is compressed into a much smaller file. Guess I’ve never noticed the size of the regular updates.

If that isn’t a compressed file in some way – guess I’ll need to wait for WU to find it and download – or just skip it this month.

Thanks again!

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MS Update Catalog: 404.4MB (but it probably won’t be that big either).

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Thanks – and sorry about that. My eyes nearly fell out! And just now the laptop has decided to check on its own and I see that the update is shown as around 400 mb. So I’m letting it run and hopefully it will download OK and be done with it.

Seems to take SO long though – I’m at the point of “Getting Things Ready” and is has been at 0% for about 10 minutes. Wish there was a restart button!

Thanks again!

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When it starts the “installing” phase, you may see it go 0% to 100%, then pause, then start again at 0% to 100%. If I had to guess, the first install is the SSU, then second the CU.

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Yep – that is exactly what it did! Thanks for the help! 🙂

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Paul T wrote:

You don’t need to pause on a Home machine. Set the network connection to metered and you can see what is available and choose to download/install.

You can also use WUmgr for a nicer update experience.

cheers, Paul

On my 1909 Home I had updates paused. Then I set metered connections and resumed updates. It started downloading updates immediately!

I tried to hide updates, but none showed at first. I paused again, opened wushowhide to have it ready, resumed updates. I managed to hide 4023057, and it says 4586867 also hidden, although it downloaded completely.

It showed all as pending installation, then started installing 4586786. After about one hour, it was still on installing 20%. I rebooted, then Windows was completing installation of 4586786.

Now I don’t know whether to proceed with the other updates or not. It is paused again.

 

On my 1909 Pro, the only update offered was 4586786 which I installed. “meet now” showed up on the task bar: what is that?

2004 feature update not offered on either pc.

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Now on my Home machine, WU Settings is not accessible!

I downloaded WUMgr, not sure how to use it. I did not disable auto updates!

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Select the circle on the far left.

Check the update you wish to install.
Select the box withe the down arrow.

The update will download and install.

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Ken wrote:

Then I set metered connections and resumed updates

Resume overrides everything. 🙁
I don’t know how to resume from paused without WU doing it’s thing, except by disabling the network/pulling the cable.

cheers, Paul

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