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      • #2315798
        Tracey Capen
        AskWoody MVP

        PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley By now, you should be getting over the side effects of too much turkey and pie. Getting over some Windows upgrading issue
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      • #2315816
        MHCLV941
        AskWoody Plus

        I always wonder, because it’s happened to more than a couple of times, how many Windows 10 upgrades get blocked because there’s a USB drive plugged into the machine that’s been forgotten?

        Eject the drive (you don’t even need to physically unplug it) and the upgrade rolls right along.  Even better, after the restart(s), that drive is present again.

      • #2315826
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I always wonder, because it’s happened to more than a couple of times, how many Windows 10 upgrades g

        I have updated from 1809 > 1903 > 1909 > 2004 > 2009 > 20H2 while an external USB 3.0 HDD was attached to my laptop. Never has a problem.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Alex5723.
      • #2315861
        WildBill
        AskWoody Plus

        As my signature shows, I have 2 machines now. Testing & will probably buy a used Win 10 Compaq from a friend. It’s currently on v1909, & the Conexant audio driver is blocking v2004. As the dog in the burning house meme says, “This is fine.” Also still have my Win8.1 machine, which was updated this past weekend. The AC adapter jack’s loose & doesn’t always charge; the cord connecting to the adapter is now frayed & another reason it sporadically charges. Not seeing any “C week optional” updates or SSU yet, because quality updates are delayed to this weekend (Dec. 5th). Feature updates are delayed 365; another way to prevent v2004 from updating yet. Looks like I have Office Online installed; can subscribe to Microsoft 365. Should I subscribe, or do I even have a choice besides the Online version?

        2 Machines for Now!
        #1: Windows 8.1, 64-bit, back in Group A.
        #2: Getting close to buying a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, recently updated to v1909. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
        Wild Bill Rides Again...

        • #2317111
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          Should I subscribe, or do I even have a choice besides the Online version?

          It depends if you need it? If youd like to have Microsoft Office package, than you can subscribe for some amount of money (it depends what version do you choose – Student, Personal, Bussiness …)

          I would say if you did not need until now, you wont need it in the future.
          And to your second question – yes, there are numerous options beside Online versions. You can still have.. lets say.. locally installed office package. And by office package I do not mean just Microsoft Office, but also its free “siblings” OpenOffice and Libre office, which does almost exactly the same for you.

          Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2315926
        anonymous
        Guest

        Will the audio driver issue block the upgrade using ISO downloaded by the media creation tool? Thanks for the answer.

      • #2315932
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Will the audio driver issue block the upgrade using ISO downloaded by the media creation tool? Thanks for the answer.

        Installing from ISO while disconnected from Internet as recommended, should not block the upgrade.

        There is also the option to unblock upgrades.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Alex5723.
        • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Alex5723.
      • #2315968
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        2004 & 20H2 users recently got a new “preview” update Monday Nov. 30 afternoon – KB4586853

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4586853/windows-10-update-kb4586853

      • #2315984
        anonymous
        Guest

        I usually wait for my pause updates to expire on my 10/1909 Home laptops and only apply the month’s updates a few days before the next month’s updates are available. I just feel safer not having updates enabled but the day that I decide to get that done soon before then next month’s updates arrive.

        • #2316206
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          You don’t need to pause on a Home machine. Set the network connection to metered and you can see what is available and choose to download/install.

          You can also use WUmgr for a nicer update experience.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2316740
            Linda2019
            AskWoody Plus

            Windows 10 Home here…  If I set the connection to metered I can actually choose which updates I want installed?

            How does that work? Do I remove the metered status or keep it while updating?

            • #2316767
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              Not really, but nothing happens until you select download / install.
              WUmgr lets you choose individual updates, but you still need metered on to prevent Windows doing it automatically.

              cheers, Paul

      • #2316044
        anonymous
        Guest

        Hey guys-is it safe to install KB4586878 or no? Need clarification on that update because gonna install the cumulative nov update tonight-the safe updates.

        • #2316205
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          That is a preview. Do not install previews.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2316389
        carpintero
        AskWoody Lounger

        WUmgr for a nicer update experience

        Patchfluent is nice.

      • #2317106
        LHiggins
        AskWoody Plus

        Quick question about Windows Update and how to possibly regulate how often it scans for new updates. I have yet to receive the Nov updates, but I do see KB 4586786 in WUSHOWHIDE. I have been waiting for it to show up on my WU screen, and so far, it has not. That settings screen tells me the last time it checked was on Nov 30 and at that point did not yet “see” KB 4586786 so it didn’t list it.

        I have Win 10 Pro set to defer updates for 15 days – yet it seems to take far longer. I tried also setting the Group Policy choice of how often to check to 5 hours – that also hasn’t done it.

        So – I guess my questions are – how can I make WU check more often when we get to the end of the patching cycle, if it hasn’t gotten updates on its own? And, is it OK now to just click “Check for Updates” to get that one before the weekend so that I can reset and prepare for December.

        In WUSHOWHIDE there are also 2 Defender updates, which I’ll want, along with a slew of Intel, NVIDIA and Realtek updates that have been there for some time – they are never downloaded to WU. I can hide those before clicking “Check for Updates” if need be. And I did also see KB 4023057 in WUSHOWHIDE, which I hid again – seems I did that a couple of times.

        I’d like to get this Nov update done today so that I don’t need to keep watching for it over the weekend.

        Thanks!

        • #2317109
          PKCano
          Manager

          In wushowhide, hide the drivers and KB 4023057.
          Be sure you have the “2” (notify download/install) set in Group Policy.
          Set Quality deferral = 0 (zero).
          Wait for Windows Update to scan on its own.
          Verify only the updates you want are in the WU queue.
          Click on the “Download” button.

          NEVER click on “Check for updates.”  You will get bombarded with everything that’s out there.

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          • #2317117
            LHiggins
            AskWoody Plus

            I already had “2” (notify download/install) set in Group Policy.
            I just set Quality deferral = 0 (zero).

            I already had hidden 4023057 when it first appeared in WUSHOWHIDE earlier in the week.

            Will hide the other updates and wait – hopefully it will reset itself soon!

            Thanks!

            • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by LHiggins.
      • #2317143
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        how can I make WU check more often

        You can run Windows update manually : usoclient.exe StartScan

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      • #2317162
        LHiggins
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks! I’ll look into that, but how is it different from clicking Check for Updates?

         

        • #2317250
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Clicking Check for Updates tells Windows to install everything that is in the queue after checking for the latest updates. The install bit cannot be stopped.

          You could try WUmgr to get a view of what is available and what you have hidden – it’s a stand alone app, no install.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2317265
        LHiggins
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks Paul! I’ll see if things change today and if it finally will give me that one update. If not, I will look into WUmgr too. Seems to me that WU should actually check more than once every 4 or 5 days.

        • #2317266
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Manually check for updates with WUMgr.

          wumgr1

          Beta Work {Got backup and coffee}
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        • #2317286
          LHiggins
          AskWoody Plus

          OK – I have a few questions about WUmgr. I downloaded it, ran it to get updates – which listed the same ones as I see in WUSHOWHIDE. I then tried to manually download and install KB 4586786 and got a long series of failure notices within WUmgr.

          I then tried to install one of the Defender updates – that worked fine. I’m posting my screenshot of the settings and that error message:

          WUMgrJPG

          Is there something in the settings I should adjust?

          Thanks!

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          • #2317301
            geekdom
            AskWoody Plus

            Uncheck “Manual Download/Install” and try again.

            What I showed you in my settings are the setting I use.

            Beta Work {Got backup and coffee}
            offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
            offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
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            • #2317307
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              Then click the circle.

              When a desired, unchecked update appears, check it.

              Then click the box with the down arrow to download and install the update. (Two symbols to the right of the circle.)

              Beta Work {Got backup and coffee}
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
              offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.746 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox85.0 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WuMgr
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              • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by geekdom.
              • #2317331
                LHiggins
                AskWoody Plus

                Thanks – I’ll try it again.

                But another question – it lists the size of KB 4586786 as 89.29 GB? Can that be right? When it downloads “normally” using WU – is it compressed? Does WUmgr compress the download? Nearly 90 GB is two months worth of my data – no way I can download anything that big unless it is compressed into a much smaller file. Guess I’ve never noticed the size of the regular updates.

                If that isn’t a compressed file in some way – guess I’ll need to wait for WU to find it and download – or just skip it this month.

                Thanks again!

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              • #2317334
                PKCano
                Manager

                MS Update Catalog: 404.4MB (but it probably won’t be that big either).

                Screen-Shot-2020-12-05-at-2.04.52-PM

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              • #2317338
                LHiggins
                AskWoody Plus

                Thanks – and sorry about that. My eyes nearly fell out! And just now the laptop has decided to check on its own and I see that the update is shown as around 400 mb. So I’m letting it run and hopefully it will download OK and be done with it.

                Seems to take SO long though – I’m at the point of “Getting Things Ready” and is has been at 0% for about 10 minutes. Wish there was a restart button!

                Thanks again!

              • #2317340
                PKCano
                Manager

                When it starts the “installing” phase, you may see it go 0% to 100%, then pause, then start again at 0% to 100%. If I had to guess, the first install is the SSU, then second the CU.

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              • #2317346
                LHiggins
                AskWoody Plus

                Yep – that is exactly what it did! Thanks for the help! 🙂

      • #2317280
        Ken
        AskWoody Plus

        You don’t need to pause on a Home machine. Set the network connection to metered and you can see what is available and choose to download/install.

        You can also use WUmgr for a nicer update experience.

        cheers, Paul

        On my 1909 Home I had updates paused. Then I set metered connections and resumed updates. It started downloading updates immediately!

        I tried to hide updates, but none showed at first. I paused again, opened wushowhide to have it ready, resumed updates. I managed to hide 4023057, and it says 4586867 also hidden, although it downloaded completely.

        It showed all as pending installation, then started installing 4586786. After about one hour, it was still on installing 20%. I rebooted, then Windows was completing installation of 4586786.

        Now I don’t know whether to proceed with the other updates or not. It is paused again.

         

        On my 1909 Pro, the only update offered was 4586786 which I installed. “meet now” showed up on the task bar: what is that?

        2004 feature update not offered on either pc.

        • #2317284
          Ken
          AskWoody Plus

          Now on my Home machine, WU Settings is not accessible!

          I downloaded WUMgr, not sure how to use it. I did not disable auto updates!

          • #2317319
            geekdom
            AskWoody Plus

            Select the circle on the far left.
            wum01

            Check the update you wish to install.
            Select the box withe the down arrow.
            wum02

            The update will download and install.
            wum03

            Beta Work {Got backup and coffee}
            offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
            offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
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        • #2317456
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Then I set metered connections and resumed updates

          Resume overrides everything. 🙁
          I don’t know how to resume from paused without WU doing it’s thing, except by disabling the network/pulling the cable.

          cheers, Paul

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