• TPM Socket

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    #2376338

    I have an Asus Z170 deluxe motherboard in my PC. The motherboard has a TPM socket but there is nowhere in the BIOS to indicate adding the TPM module would work. I cannot find anything relating to TPM.

    I have the latest BIOS update and seeing as the motherboard is six years old I cannot see Asus updating the BIOS anytime soon. So what’s the point in having the TPM socket but no way to implement in the BIOS?

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    • #2376359

      This YouTube video might be useful to you. It’s not specific to your Motherboard, but will show you where to look and how to enable the CPU ‘TPM’ equivalent (PTT) if it is available on your Motherboard.

      So what’s the point in having the TPM socket

      Many Motherboard manufactures are phasing out TPM chips to save money. Some may still have a TPM header (empty) but even the headers will potentially go in the near future.
      The CPU manufacturer, Intel & AMD for example have their own equivalents. Often they are disabled by default.
      When enabled, a TPM check (tpm.msc in search bar or Run Command) will show that it is (TPM) ready for use.

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      • #2376390

        Hi Moonshine

        Thanks for that info. I have checked TPM Management and it says ‘Compatible TPM cannot be found’. Oh well, it’s Windows 10 for a few more years.

        TPM

        • #2376553

          Somebody posted a workaround for the Win11 TPM requirement. It is a slick registry trick which you perform during Win11 installation.

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          • #2376577

            GoneToPlaid,

            It’d be interesting to know what the registry trick is, however I’ve resigned myself to keeping with Win 10 until my PC gives out.

    • #2376362

      Are you asking about TPM because you are thinking of whether or not you’ll be able to run
      Windows 11?

      If so, a bigger roadblock for you might be the CPU you’re using. If it’s a 6th or 7th generation Core CPU from Intel, you’re out of luck for now. I say for now, because from what’s been said here in other posts in other Windows 11 threads, it sounds like MS is currently considering the possibility of including 7th generation Intel Core CPUs as those that Windows 11 will run on. Nothing definite yet, though.

      From what I’ve found on Asus’ site, your motherboard supports certain Intel Celeron and certain 6th and 7th generation Intel Core processors.

      If you’re asking about TPM because you’d like to enable it only for use with your current setup, I apologize for the above paragraphs. However, if you follow @Moonshine ‘s advice above, you should be able to enable TPM on your current motherboard, because 6th and 7th generation Intel Core CPUs have what’s called Intel PTT built into their chips.

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      • #2376397

        Hi

        Thanks for replying.

        Yes I was hoping to run Windows 11 on my current setup. Not sure which generation the CPU is but it’s a Quad Core Intel i5 Skylake-6600K. As I said to Moonshine I’ve checked TPM management and it says ‘Compatible TPM not found’.

    • #2376394

      read this ASUS FAQ on their supported motherboards:
      https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1046215/

      Z170 is not on this list

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      • #2376399

        Thanks EP. I still can’t understand why there would be a TPM socket which is unusable. I also don’t understand why Asus have instructions for installing the TPM module in the manual.

    • #2376404

      Who or what is telling you that the TPM socket is unusable?

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      • #2376405

        Moonshine

        In TPM management it says ‘Compatible TPM cannot be found’.

        EP posted that the CPU is 6th gen. and does not support TPM. So the socket IS usable but I would need 8th gen. CPU

    • #2376406

      The CPU alternative PTT option is firmware integrated into the CPU.
      PTT is an alternative to an actual TPM chip.

      If you have looked in the BIOS for options to enable PTT, as in the YouTube video (or similar to), and there is no option because of the CPU generation, then the reason why you are told by TPM Management that ‘Compatible TPM cannot be found’ is because you have no TPM chip inserted into the header/socket.

      From your Motherboard User Guide:

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    • #2376464

      From your Motherboard User Guide:

      That’s about where the TPM socket/header is on my Asus Z370 board. Module available separately. I found one on Amazon for $15 before the scalpers scooped them all up. And my BIOS has the settings inside to enable it. I have a 9th gen Intel i5, so good to go here.

      To try to answer the socket question, I’ll venture my guess about that Asus z170 board, and that is that Asus likely designed the board with the TPM header 6 years ago, but never needed to revise that BIOS to support it, although it was ready from a hardware perspective for future support.

      Therefore there now will be no point in enabling either TPM or PTT on that board, as it will never support a Win 11 compatible CPU. At least there are 4 years left for Win 10.

      Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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      • #2376583

        JohnW

        Yes that appears to be the case. Will stick with Win 10.

        • #2376637

          yes it’s better to stick with Win10 for a while.

          don’t know if MS will allow 7th gen Intel CPUs (aka. Kaby Lake) to run Win11 when that goes final later this year. but Intel Skylakes will certainly not make the cut

    • #2376607

      Somebody posted a workaround

      For now with insider builds there is no need for any hack as the builds install on any PC,
      Windows mobile smartphones and even Raspberry Pie.

      • #2376638

        almost any PC except very old ones that don’t use 64bit CPUs

      • #2377261

        Not quite true.

        Last Saturday (July 3) I downloaded the Insiders Preview, and tried an in-place upgrade on the B side of my dual boot. “No TPM”, can’t run Windows 11. I did some registry implanting, some tinkerin’ with the Windows 11 installation media, tried the in-place upgrade again. This time I got an offer for an upgrade that kept no files or settings (my B side configuration is not-at-all supported by Microsoft). The upgrade went smoothly.

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do to our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

    • #2376640

      yes it’s better to stick with Win10 for a while.

      don’t know if MS will allow 7th gen Intel CPUs (aka. Kaby Lake) to run Win11 when that goes final later this year. but Intel Skylakes will certainly not make the cut

      Just thinking out loud here, but why would anybody really want to seek out Windows 11 before they were forced to upgrade?

      Windows 10 Pro 22H2

    • #2376681

      almost any PC except very old ones that don’t use 64bit CPUs

      Correct 🙂

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        I tried Windows 11 on the B side of my dual boot July 3. Today I tried it on the A side, doing the registry prep and sources prep beforehand, and although the A side configuration is modified, it is modified in ways that are Microsoft-supported. As I’ve said before, I don’t do clean installs, and I don’t do VMs. I’m a put-it-in-hardware kinda guy.

        The in-place/upgrade of the Windows 11 Preview was uneventful, and it allowed me to keep everything. It even defaulted to my Windows 10 personalizations, so I only see the blue swoops on the login screen, which I can also change, but I’m not gonna stay here that long. On the other hand, those “Special Folders” are a hindrance to my way of doing things, so I ripped them out.  That worked just fine.

        All the items I had pinned to the taskbar are still there, but they won’t launch from there. I have to go through that Apple-styled Menu where they are pinned to get them to launch, or double-click a desktop shortcut. That’s an issue that I won’t waste any time on at the moment, but I don’t care for it in the least. But, again, Windows 11 still has a registry, so hardware won’t particularly be an issue. I can figure out how to get from here to there; I’ve done it with all the other Windows versions.

        I’m in no rush to get to Windows 11.  I’ll wait for a couple of RTM iterations before I give it a serious look.  For the moment, I’m unimpressed.

        Windows-11-Preview

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        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do to our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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