Unable to update Win10 v1909 since Build 18363.657

[rebop2020]

Creating this topic to consolidate issues I am having with updates that are a little scattered around this site. Thanks for taking an interest and asking for this topic.

I am here with Version:

One thing I may not have mentioned is I have never been offered an “optional” update in Windows Update nor has a feature update appeared separately from the other updates in Windows Update. Hope that makes sense. All are in one group.

What really has prompted this latest issue is that I have not been offered KB4592449 CU for 1909 nor KB4559309 Edge Update to CHREDGE.

I have GPEDIT set to defer Feature Updates 45 days and Quality Updates 7 Days. I use wushowhide. I once used for a day or so WUMGR but did not like it. Currently:

And…

I have been offered other updates and successfully installed them. For examples:

Feature Update 1909 11/27/2019 Success
All of the Office 2010 Quality Updates 12/17/20 Success
Cumulative .NET 3.5 and 4.8 10/20/20 Success

Buncha drivers all success from 11/16/20 back ( based on rec’s here, will no longer be installing drivers from Win Update. Nor .NET previews)

AS to failures, I had this mess with the 2006 Printer update. I had figured what the h***, so tried to install. Three times. Failed every one so blocked in show hide.
M’soft printer 6/22/2006 6.1.7233.1 3 fails 11/27/20

I stopped getting Defender updates in March I think. Likely because you could no longer run even a portion of Defender with third party AV (ESET NOD32).
Definition updates – lotsa failures last 4/8/20
Last success 3/28/20 then a ton more failures 3/25/20

Malicious software last success 11/17/20 All successes before hand.

What do you think? I could install 20H2 and see if all corrects itself. I have been holding off for the “all clear” as well as in avoidance of all the things I have seen feature updates reset that I will check (like System Restore, GP policies, default programs, etc. I have a list of 60 things to check after each Feature Update.) . Or…

Thanks.
~Bob

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[rebop2020]

Forgot to say, the delay in the update from 1903 to 1909 was my choice. The skipping of 2004 was my choice to delay and is no longer offered me as 20H2 is. So I have been getting offers for Feature Updates I have chosen to defer. But have not seen the above mention two updates.

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[PKCano]

Not 20H2 yet – it’s not ready.

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[rebop2020]

Best way I can think to do that.

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[PKCano]

OK, start with the three settings in Group Policy listed here.

This will protect you from v2004 and v20H2 while we do the rest.
STOP fooling with all the other stuff until we get updates sorted out.
Come back when you finish that and we’ll try to get updates going.

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[rebop2020]

Fooling with what other stuff? I don’t think I am fooling with anything. Explain please.

 

Will review the link tomorrow. Thanks.

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[PKCano]

There is one more Group Policy setting to make:

+ Navigate to Local Computer Policy>Computer Configuration>Administrative Templates>Windows Components>Windows Update (dbl click) DO not include drivers with Windows Update. Click the radio button “Enabled”

Everything else under Windows Update and Windows Update for Business should be “Not configured” except those four settings.

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[PKCano]

These are the next things we are going to do, but check in with me before you start and between each step.

+ If you have set the 4 Group Policy settings, then set the pulldown switches in Windows Update\Advanced Settings to Quality and Feature deferrals = 0 (zero)

+ Turn of Fast Startup
Control Panel\Power Options “Choose what the power button does.
You may have to look under “Settings that are currently unavailable” – be sure to save the settings.

+ Run “Disk Cleanup”
Start Menu\Windows Administrative Tools. Right click on “Disk Cleanup” and “Run as administrator“. Check everything BUT Downloads (but check Downloaded Program Files), Shader Cache, and Language resources. Delete the files.

+ Run file checks to verify the System Files
Let me know the content of any error messages.
In an elevated command prompt (type cmd.exe in the taskbar search box, right click on it and “Run as Administrator) copy/paste esch of these commands in and hit enter:
DISM /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
sfc /scannow
They might take a while to run.

+ Reset Windows Update
Reboot the computer.
Let me know the content of any error messages.
In an elevated command prompt, copy/paste each of these commands one at a time and hit Enter:
net stop wuauserv
net stop cryptSvc
net stop bits
net stop msiserver
Ren C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution SoftwareDistribution.2101
net start wuauserv
net start cryptSvc
net start bits
net start msiserver
Reboot the computer.

Depending on the outcome of these checks, we decide where to go from here.

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[rebop2020]

Sorry. Have not read. Several personal issues non computer related. Maybe a day or two. Then I can sort out and reply.

Just one BTW, the title of this thread was requested, not my choice. There have been updates as you can see above. Just not those two.

Back when I can….

~Bob

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[PKCano]

The title of the thread is good. You had updates for other things, but you Win10 v1909 OS has not been updated since Build 18363.657 (the current is Build 18363.1256)

Don’t forget, January Patch Tuesday is the 12th – one week from today.

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[rebop2020]

Hi PK (do you go by PK?). Sorry, personal life a bit crazy still so have not read nor tried or followed. I shall but not sure when.

 

However, just to note, I had 20H2 hidden. Today it popped up again as new and I hid again. Nothing else offered, but I do have CU’s delayed 7 days so likely next week if ever.

Back when I can.

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[PKCano]

When you do make it back, give me a heads up.

Then start with these two posts: #2324609 and #2324620.
Let me know when you’ve done that and we’ll talk about the instructions in #2324661.

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[rebop2020]

OK, I think I have cleared enough time and space to focus back on Updates and this topic. First of all – thanks for helping. Would be great to get things straight though no idea how they got out of whack. And note I have been using Windows since 1.0 and then 3.1 so have a lot of experience and can follow along easily.
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OK, two days ago I got offered 20H2 again. I hid it with wushowhide. Interesting that there were also two drivers (Nvidia and Intel) to hide though they did not appear in Windows Update as I had driver updates turned off in GPEdit. I was surprised to see them in wushowhide.

Going to do a new full backup then read all your replies here that I have not yet read and take one step at a time.

1. OK, start with the three settings in Group Policy listed here.

   + Navigate to Local Computer Policy>Computer Configuration>Administrative Templates>Windows Components>Windows Update (dbl click) Configure Automatic Updates. Click the radio button “Enabled” and in the top pulldown set the value “2.”

   Skipping ahead: + Navigate to Local Computer Policy>Computer Configuration> Administrative Templates>Windows Components>Windows Update (dbl click) DO not include drivers with Windows Update. Click the radio button “Enabled”

   I have ALWAYS had those set that way. Done….

2. + Navigate to Local Computer Policy>Computer Configuration>Administrative Templates> Windows Components>Windows Update>Windows Update for Business (dbl click)>Select the Target Feature Update Version Click the radio button “Enabled” and 1909 in the box.

   Then: + Navigate to Local Computer Policy>Computer Configuration>Administrative Templates>Windows Components>Windows Update>Windows Update for Business (dbl click)> Select when Quality Updates are Received Click the radio button “Enabled” and type 0 (zero) in the top box. Leave the “Pause” box blank.OK, being on 1909 I do not have Target Release. I do have:

I assume I should remove my GPEdit postponements of CU and Feature Updates of 7 and 45 days.

I am on 1909 and unsure the best way to add Target Release Date. Seems there is more than one way to do that. So let’s start clarifications there. How do you suggest? Do I need to be offline when I do that? What if anything should I do to wushowhide before of after I do that?

Thanks!

 

 

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[PKCano]

Make these changes in Group Policy:
+ Under Windows Update for Business, set the TargetReleaseVersion as shown in the top screenshot in #2286499 to the version you want.
If you do not have TargetReleaseVersion setting available there, use Susan’s reg file or the PowerShell commands described in Section 2 of AKB2000016 to add it to the Registry. Be sure the settings are there and correct. See the bottom screenshot in link above.

+ Under Windows Update for Business, set Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received as shown in the second screenshot in #2275043 ****but use the setting of 0 or 1 instead of 365. Be sure to include the Semi-Annual Channel setting.

+ You can leave the Quality deferral at 0 as it will not be in effect.

Once you get those things done, you can set the pulldown switches in the Settings App Windows Update\Advanced Settings both to 0.

That should hold you on version 1909.

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[rebop2020]

I used the powershell commands elevated. They appeared successful and in the registry but no Target Release entry is in GPEdit???

Do I need a reboot?

And after that is sorted, I will make the other changes.But do tell me what if anything will need to be done to wushowhide after  I update those settings/

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[PKCano]

whshowhide still works the same as it always did.
With the “2” setting in GP, the updates sit in the queue until you click the “Download” (not “check for updates”) button. You can use wushowhide to hide anything there you don’t want, then clear the queue, then install.

Once you upgrade to 2004, the TRV settings should become available in GP. The pulldown switches will disappear from the GUI also.

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[rebop2020]

Thanks.

This was not addressed:

I used the powershell commands elevated. They appeared successful and in the registry but no Target Release entry is in GPEdit???

Do I need a reboot?

Then you say:

“whshowhide still works the same as it always did.”

Of course. But after these changes do I need to unhide anything? That is unclear.

 

 

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[rebop2020]

One more timely question. Above you say:

 

Everything else under Windows Update and Windows Update for Business should be “Not configured” except those four settings.

Does that include “Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received”? At this moment I have it enabled and 0.

Thanks.

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[PKCano]

PKCano wrote:

+ Under Windows Update for Business, set Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received as shown in the second screenshot in #2275043 ****but use the setting of 0 or 1 instead of 365. Be sure to include the Semi-Annual Channel setting.

Read the whole thing, including the last sentence. 🙂

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[rebop2020]

Sorry . Missed that. Thought I had the 4 settings covered.

So once again, back to this that remains for now:

rebop2020 wrote:

Thanks.

This was not addressed:

I used the powershell commands elevated. They appeared successful and in the registry but no Target Release entry is in GPEdit???

Do I need a reboot?

Then you say:

“whshowhide still works the same as it always did.”

Of course. But after these changes do I need to unhide anything? That is unclear.

 

 

Once I get beyond these, can move on. Trying to be precise to your instructions as we move forward. Did not see a request to reboot, yet the setting is not there in GPEdit. And still unsure if I need (or desire) to unhide anything.

 

Thanks.

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[PKCano]

PKCano wrote:

Once you upgrade to 2004, the TRV settings should become available in GP. The pulldown switches will disappear from the GUI also.

You won’t get the TRV settings in GP until you upgrade to 2004. But the Registry settings will work the same.

Yes, reboot to be sure the settings are activated.

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[rebop2020]

OK. Thanks.

And nothing to do with wushowhide even though there are a half dozen things hidden including 20H2?

And after that, I will reboot and take a break until tomorrow.

 

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[rebop2020]

PROBLEM

Rebooted and I get a message we need to fix your microsoft account. Click here to fic it. Never saw this before . What’s up????

I always logged in as local user if I recall.

 

 

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[PKCano]

???
You didn’t do any updates, did you?
Try Ctrl-Alt-Del and reboot – see if it goes away.

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[rebop2020]

I did no updates.

I did nothing other than what is above.

I DID do the two Office 2010 updates early this morning.

Have you seen this before? I am googling it now:

https://www.trickyways.com/2019/06/fix-microsoft-account-problem-we-need-you-to-fix-your-microsoft-account/

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/please-fix-we-need-to-fix-your-microsoft-account/b4911a14-e556-4d37-9b69-72432a96a278

https://windowsreport.com/you-need-to-fix-your-microsoft-account/

Just reading those Are you SURE a reboot is safe at this point?

 

 

 

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[PKCano]

Never ran into this before.
Try the “shared esperience” and the “log out log back in” in the first two links first.
If those don’t work, try the #6 in the third link.

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[rebop2020]

This is why I hate updates.

Will do.

Back in a bit. I hope this gets solved before the weekend. Hate to stay in a lurch.

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[rebop2020]

I don;t think I have ever seen this before. Maybe, but. And I am signed in. How else could I get to Windows?

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[rebop2020]

All my account settings like correct. I have NOT clciked the notification yet. Still reading.

 

Coincidence? Or something I changed to bring this about?

 

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[PKCano]

Look at shared experience and at the setting in #6 in the third link https://windowsreport.com/you-need-to-fix-your-microsoft-account/

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[rebop2020]

METHOD 1: Go to Settings > System > Shared Experiences. Turn off Nearby Sharing and Share across devices options.

 

Both of these were off. It also says on the system page of settings that “All accounts are working correctly.”

I have neither dismissed nor clicked the notification yet.

6. Change to local account is ALREADY a local account. The option I see is to change to Microsoft account. I do not want that.

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[rebop2020]

Seems I have two logical choices right now. Click the notification:

Which is where I just was with no errors noted. Or Log out and in again and hope I can login again.

 

Your thoughts?

 

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[rebop2020]

And no password changed by me of course.

 

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[rebop2020]

Here’s an interesting quote:

If you get a notification that you have a “Microsoft account problem,” you don’t have a problem and you don’t have to fix anything. You haven’t been hacked and you don’t have a virus. Microsoft is testing your patience.

(Update 09/2020: Try the tips in this article but they may not work. For some people – including on my own computers for the last few months – this notice still appears even after turning everything off. The only suggestion I have left is to ignore it.)

 

Reading this article now. Sorry for so many posts but an amazing coincidence we work on updates and this pops up for the first time ever.

 

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[rebop2020]

This seems to be a good link PK:

How To Get Rid Of The “Microsoft Account Problem” Notification

Still reading.

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[rebop2020]

OK, Clicked the notification which took me to the Shared Experiences where we already found out no errors to be fixed! Notification gone. So what remains is to reboot and see if it comes back. Cross your fingers. And still reading as I do all this.

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[PKCano]

Read #6 in that last link.
If you don’t find anything else amiss, I’d suggest log out and log back in.

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[rebop2020]

OK. Its gone.

I clicked the notification, took me to Shared Experiences. All was good, made no changes. Then closed settings, rebooted and done.

But this is interesting. Temp showed the following logs:

They have to do with root/IMdriver

LenovoIMController

More as above with deleting the manifest an time based events

And remove IMControllerInstallerService

So all of these happened on those two last boots. And I have most if not all auto installs and updates squashed everywhere,. So perhaps the above caused it.

But sigh of relief it is gone. I’ll reboot tomorrow morning and check again.

Thanks for riding along on this one with me.

 

So, just to check off a little more before I make a gin and tonic 🙂

You say in your instructions:

+ If you have set the 4 Group Policy settings, then set the pulldown switches in Windows UpdateAdvanced Settings to Quality and Feature deferrals = 0 (zero)

Were grayed out from the GPEdit settings. Done.

+ Turn of Fast Startup
Control PanelPower Options “Choose what the power button does.
You may have to look under “Settings that are currently unavailable” – be sure to save the settings.

This setting causes other problems so I have had it off forever. Lenovo Vantage has a similar setting called Easy Resume. That causes BSOD’s. Off as well.

Let’s leave it there for now. Are you checking here this weekend? If so I will do some more tomorrow.

Thanks.

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[PKCano]

I think I live here 🙂

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[rebop2020]

 

OK, next. You say:

 

+ Run “Disk Cleanup”
Start Menu\Windows Administrative Tools. Right click on “Disk Cleanup” and “Run as administrator“. Check everything BUT Downloads (but check Downloaded Program Files), Shader Cache, and Language resources. Delete the files.

Done. But you did not mention System Files to clean!

I have 274MB of Windows Update Cleanup and 398 MB of Windows Upgrade Log Files. I would want to be very sure I would not miss these if I cleaned them.

Add:

22.1 MB of Device Driver packages
Same Would want to be very sure if you suggest I do these. Will wait until I hear for next steps tomorrow.

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[PKCano]

rebop2020 wrote:

Start Menu\Windows Administrative Tools. Right click on “Disk Cleanup” and “Run as administrator“.

If you had done this, you would have been in the System files to clean up.

rebop2020 wrote:

Check everything BUT

There is a list of the “BUT” check boxes.
You need to do this before you go on from this step.

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[rebop2020]

Nope. There is an additional button: OOOOPS. you are right!! I got to this with a search for Disk Cleanup which goes to a different screen.

 

Done….

DISM was run before this. SFC not yet.

Gonna take this opportunity to mention a few changes after the Login Notification AND DISM (don’t know which is/was the cause)

1. My NAS which is mapped lost its password and had to be reentered on reboot
2. .log files default app was changed to Notepad
3. All I have found so far. Not looking, but noticing changes as they are presented.
4. I received notifications of new updates I had not seen before. One of interest the 1909 cum update!

1. So, before I even read you latest comments, should any here be run or hidden since I likely will go to at least 2004 as we finalize all of this (assuming we ever do 🙂
2. Should I run SFC before any of this or after?

Off to read you other posts here.

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[rebop2020]

Wow. Was just blocked from posting as a potentially damaging action!!!

I tried to do this:(let me try to edit any exe

You say: Let me know the content of any error messages.
In an elevated command prompt (type cmd.exX in the taskbar search box, right click on it and “Run as Administrator) copy/paste esch of these commands in and hit enter:
*DISM /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth*

OK. I have always preferred running DISM /online /cleanup-image /ScanHealth and looking at he CBS logs. When I did I saw errors in snippingtool.lnk and new servicing stack required. So I ran restorehealth.

ESET prevented files from downloading spo had to disable for a few moments. Completed successfully. An awful lot of WULIB downloaded.

 

 

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[PKCano]

rebop2020 wrote:

*DISM /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth*

This was the command I suggested you run.

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[rebop2020]

Totally understood. I was saying I like to run “scanhealth” and see what it finds before I let it run “restorehealth”. I like to be informed. I’m sure you have noticed 🙂

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[rebop2020]

Ran an sfc/VERIFYONLY to see what it would find. It found integrity errors.

The errors are attached. Some I am concerned about and need assurance cannot create more issues than it will solve. I do not understand how directories can have two owners or two security settings. And when it comes to the START menu, I have mine HIGHLY customized.

What do you think before I run scannow?

 

Couple of examples from the file:

2021-02-12 21:10:46, Info CSI 0000007e Warning: Overlap: Directory \??\C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers\en-US\ is owned twice or has its security set twice
Original owner: Microsoft-Windows-Foundation-Default-Security.Resources, version 10.0.18362.1, arch amd64, culture [l:5]’en-US’, nonSxS, pkt {l:8 b:31bf3856ad364e35}
New owner: Microsoft-Windows-Foundation-Default-Security.Resources, version 10.0.18362.1, arch amd64, culture [l:5]’en-US’, nonSxS, pkt {l:8 b:31bf3856ad364e35}

Likely OK, no?

2021-02-12 21:11:15, Info CSI 00000104 Warning: Overlap: Directory \??\C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\ is owned twice or has its security set twice
Original owner: Microsoft-Windows-shell32, version 10.0.18362.628, arch amd64, nonSxS, pkt {l:8 b:31bf3856ad364e35}
New owner: Microsoft-Windows-shell32, version 10.0.18362.628, arch amd64, nonSxS, pkt {l:8 b:31bf3856ad364e35}

HMM, seems like old owner and new owner is the same in both (all?)

This one is interesting:

2021-02-12 21:14:11, Error CBS Package “Package_for_KB4535680~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.1.1” requires Servicing Stack v10.0.18362.772 but current Servicing Stack is v10.0.18362.651. [HRESULT = 0x800f0823 – CBS_E_NEW_SERVICING_STACK_REQUIRED]

NOTE: Doesn’t seem to be a KB4535680

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Enough for tonight 🙂 Thanks.

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[PKCano]

rebop2020 wrote:

What do you think before I run scannow?

I think you need to start over and do the first instruction right.
See my instructions in #2343233.

If you think you know better, there is no sense me helping you.

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[rebop2020]

Well, I am careful. And I do make mistakes. I did not follow on the Disk Cleanup and learned something. That has been done now. So based on that, do you want me to ruin DISM again?

Anything with newly presented updates?

Move on to SFC?

 

Let me know. I have some time this afternoon to do more.

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[rebop2020]

Ran DISM as I figured could not hurt. No corruption. So now at

Reboot?

Update anything?

SFC?

 

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[PKCano]

Well, it looks like you are getting updates in the queue now. That’s good.
It means you DO NOT need to reset Windows Update (the last part of the original instructions) right now.

Go ahead and run sfc /scannow. It should clean up any other system file problems.
Come back and tell me the results and we’ll talk about where to go next.

 

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[rebop2020]

Super, thanks. Good to know I can avoid that. And will run SFC in a bit after errands.

 

I just want to revisit DiskCleanup for a moment and clarify. Particularly because I was surprised at your reply.

I KNEW there are at least 3 ways to get to DiskCleanup. What I did not know is they bring up different screens depending on the method chosen. You did not say I must go to DiskCleanup this exact way, so I did not think twice about opening in my most familiar way.

I did select ALL but the BUT’s, but that was only half of the available items on that screen. More were hidden by the ADVANCED or System button. I do not recall its title. But when I went your way, all were on a single screen.

And finding some things that seemed appropriate to clean on that second screen, I posted. Thought I was doing a good thing by asking from that second screen.

So now I know that the different methods of opening DiskCleanup can have different results. And if you did not, now you know as well. And potential other readers.

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[Paul T]

Make a backup, run sfc /scannow, sip G&T while is does its thing.

cheers, Paul

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[rebop2020]

🙂

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[rebop2020]

Seem to be missing a post?

Wanted to note that in doing everything up to SFC, Three things have changed and all fixed:

1. The Windows Login Error above
2. .log files changed the default app to Notepad. I had it set otherwise
3. My mapped NAS lost the password to connect and needed to be reentered.

Might be more, but these were the only changes I have come across. If it has any interest.

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[rebop2020]

SFC ran easily. The only think it corrected was a link to the Snipping Tool. It mentioned the aforementioned directory owners, but neither said it repaired or not. Ended with all repaired successfully.

About to reboot:

NO issues. At least nothing obvious.

So PK, what would you like me to do next?

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[PKCano]

Here’s the current situation:

The original monthly CU for 1909, KB4601315 was pulled by MS and replaced by KB5001028 (which is what is showing in your WU queue). The updates will sit in the queue until you click the “Download.” They are not going anywhere.

There may be a problem with the Feb .NET CU. Testings are still pending.

MS still has a problem with Conexant drivers. There is a workaround. Look and see if you have any Conexant Audio drivers (or any other than Audio Conexant drivers, for that matter). If not, that’s good.

We are currently on DEFCON-2 for Feb patches – for a reason. There are several possibilities from here.
1. You can wait till DEFCON-4 to try to install the Feb updates in your screenshot, by clicking “Download”.
2. You can go ahead and install the Feb patches with the hope that MS will not issue another hotfix 🙂 and there are no other problems with the current CU 🙂 . I would hold up on the .NET if this is your choice.
3. You can download the Jan updates from the Catalog and try to install them manually SSU KB4598479 and CU KB4598229, which should bring you up to date. (except for .NET, MSRP, Flash, etc). Then wait for DEFCON-4 to install Feb updates.

In any case, whenever you attempt to do an update, if it should fail, then, you should go back and repeat the process in #2324661 and include “Reset Windows Update” at the end.

So it’s up to you.

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[rebop2020]

So:

1. Hide the .net update?
2. Run the others including the 1909 update?

OR:

1. Set to install 2004?
2. Set to install 20H2?

I will have to do that at some time. Better after the other updates?

What is you recommendation?

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[PKCano]

If you hide the .NET update for now (until more is known), you are still early for the Feb updates (IMO), but the other three patches are legit. If you want to risk it.

I would do the 1909 update first. Make an image before you try. You don’t know if updates through WU will be successful or not. Best to try on a version you know is working

If you are determined to upgrade, given a choice between upgrading to 2004 or 20H2, I’d choose 2004. But I’d wait another week (at lease) to do that. Listen to what Susan and the others are finding. That part will be easy. You just run Susan’s reg file or edit the registry to set TRV for the version you want, and it will be offered the next time WU scans on it’s own.

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[rebop2020]

Thanks. Will hide .net. Will do the others tomorrow.

I thought Susan had blessed 2004 if not soH2? Did I misread?

Will post on the updates.

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[PKCano]

Susan blessed 2004, but she has not blessed the Feb updates for 2004. And that’s what you will get if you upgrade – the latest 2004 Build 19041.804.

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[rebop2020]

Ahhhh. Of course! Thanks.

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[Bob99]

About to reboot

You wrote that earlier today in post 2343372. Have you rebooted since posting that? If so, what were the results?

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[rebop2020]

Bob99 wrote:

About to reboot

You wrote that earlier today in post 2343372. Have you rebooted since posting that? If so, what were the results?

I answered in that post though maybe not obviously. No issues unless something that was not immediately obvious. Seems like I am getting offered updates again. Hopefully get on track with the blessed updates here.

Still a few things I have not seen – such as the “Optional Updates” on the update page. Mine are never optional. Maybe next update will change that. But all seems working.

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[Bob99]

I answered in that post though maybe not obviously.

My sincere and humble apologies for the question. 🙂

As I now see after rereading the post of yours that was the subject of my question, things seem as if they went well.

Still a few things I have not seen – such as the “Optional Updates” on the update page.

They might still be around, but the focus for now should be on the advice provided by PKCano on just what to do with what WU is showing you for regular (or non-optional) updates. At the time of writing this post, PK is off the site but should be back around the site starting tomorrow morning for a while.

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[rebop2020]

Sorry, that was my bad for not being more clear, not yours 🙂

 

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[Susan Bradley]

Depending on deferral settings you may not see optional updates.  That’s actually a good thing.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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[PKCano]

The settings you have should keep you from getting optional updates – no Previews, no drivers, no upgrades you don’t want.
In fact, I never see the optional section of WU on my machines with those settings at all.

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[rebop2020]

Interesting. thanks. I have never even seen the section blank. SO perhaps that is why. But for example, even with drivers set to be blocked., you can see a new Lenovo Power Manager was offered in yesterdays update offerings. I would think that would be blocked. I have that now as well as NVIDIA and Intel blocked in wushowhide.

 

Waiting on Susan’s updates to updates for the next step.

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[rebop2020]

Susan, since I do not have conexant, is 5001028 safe and recommended to install?

 

Thanks.

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[Microfix]

kb5001028 is a February 2021 patch. We have an MS-DEFCON level indicator at the top of the page. Although if you wish to try it after getting your system working properly with the help of PKCano, there’s nothing stopping you. My advice, stick with the MS-DEFCON, it’s safer 😉

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[rebop2020]

Thanks. Reason I asked is it says:
Versions 1909
5001028
2/13/2021
Defer

Cumulative update
Conexant audio still a blocking issues to 2004

So if the issues was JUST conexant, then that would not affect me. But I will wait.

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[rebop2020]

That cut and paste did not work very well 🙁

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[PKCano]

Use the “Text” tab when copy/paste instead of the “Visual” tab 🙂 .

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[rebop2020]

I might have been mistaken about this. Will have to see. But it is possible that Windows Updates is not showing my drivers, but wushowhide is and I confused the two. Will know more next time that happens.

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[rebop2020]

@PKCano, let me ask:

I know my goal is to move to 2004, perhaps pause a bit then go to 20H2. With that in mind, is there a benefit to first install the 1909 CU or should I set TRV to 2004 and wait for an all clear on the FEB patch for 2004 from Susan?

Either way is fine, just trying to understand what is best and why. Right now on hold either way

 

PS: I assume if I set TRV to 2004 in the registry, I will still have the opportunity to hide unwanted updates, yes? This would be my first use of TRV so I’m unsure if that triggers the installs or works as it does now presenting updates and allowing me to choose which to hide.

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[PKCano]

Your original problem was Windows Update didn’t work. You were stuck on Build 18363.657 which is Feb 2020 updates. See your original post above.
You still don’t know if Windows Update works or not. You see the updates in the queue now, but you haven’t attempted to update yet. If you try and the update were to fail, you still have some work to do to get it going.

To me, it seems to be the wrong choice to UPGRADE under those conditions. My recommendation is to do one update cycle with a system you know functions. Then, if that works, you can upgrade to 2004 at any time. It is simply a matter of changing the Registry value to 2004.

Course, I don’t know squat 🙂 🙂

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[Alex5723]

@PKCano, maybe the OP should try downloading and installing KB4023057 ?

“This update includes files and resources that address issues that affect the update processes in Windows 10 that may prevent important Windows updates from being installed. These improvements help make sure that updates are installed seamlessly on your device, and they help improve the reliability and security of devices that are running Windows 10.”

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[rebop2020]

Thanks for the thought! I have read horror stories on this patch. Deleting needed files to free up drive space that is not needed for just one. I have had this hidden forever and I believe that is the recommendation here as well. But thanks for thought.

I think the issue is fixed. Will know for sure fairly soon. I was getting all updates except those for 1909. Getting at least one now.

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[rebop2020]

HAH!

So that’s what I shall do. Makes sense. Will wait on the 1909 CU blessing.

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[Alex5723]

rebop2020 wrote:

I have read horror stories on this patch.

I have installed this update with ill effect.

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[b]

NO ill effect?

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[Bob99]

@Alex5723 –

It’s great that you and others here have had no ill effects from its installation. However, there is a group of folks who have installed it and it has subsequently produced unwanted side effects for them.

My guess is that @rebop2020 doesn’t want to be in the group of folks who install it and it then proceeds to produce unwanted side effects on their machine.

KB4023057 has the potential to alter some of the settings in Group Policy that PK and @rebop2020 have gotten established in order to help him avoid unwanted installations of unwanted updates at unwanted times.

 

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[rebop2020]

Thanks bob99. Well said.

There are articles that speak to this like the following:

https://www.ghacks.net/2020/08/29/microsoft-pushes-out-kb4023057-again-to-enforce-windows-10-upgrades/

The main issue from that point of view is that the update may change the system’s settings in regards to the installation of automatic updates. In other words, if you have configured Windows 10 to block the automatic installation of updates, this update will undo the changes and you end up getting all updates pushed to the system and installed.

https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-kb4023057-blowing-away-windows-10-update-settings

https://www.diskinternals.com/uneraser/kb4023057-update/

Many other articles. Just google issues with KB4023057

 

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[Alex5723]

b wrote:

NO ill effect?

Thanks 🙂

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[Alex5723]

Bob99 wrote:

KB4023057 has the potential

The update hasn’t altered any GP settings on my Windows 10 (I think the OS was running 1909 at that time). Maybe I am lucky.

This is one of the reasons to make an image backup before monthly updates.

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[Paul T]

rebop2020 wrote:

Many other articles. Just google issues with KB4023057

As Alex has said, make an image backup first, then you can easily revert.
Being stuck at the Feb 2020 update is not a place you want to be.

cheers, Paul

 

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[rebop2020]

Not quite sure what that reply has to do with KB4023057, but I always make a fresh image before and update and have daily incrementals, weekly differentials and monthly fulls.

 

On another note. I have not been offered the Servicing Stack update. From what I read it is not in the CU’s until 2004. Not worried about it. just noting its absence to the available updates.

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[PKCano]

The Servicing Stack never shows up in the Windows Update queue, but it is bundled with the CU, installs with the CU, and will soon be a part of it.
The place to look for the SSU, from the View Windows History page (in the upper left corner) click on  the”uninstall updates” link (or Control Panel\Windows Update\View installed Updates) and it will take you to the list of installed updates.

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[Paul T]

PKCano wrote:

Your original problem was Windows Update didn’t work. You were stuck on Build 18363.657 which is Feb 2020 updates. See your original post above. You still don’t know if Windows Update works or not.

cheers, Paul

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[rebop2020]

Cool. Learned something. I had thought it was a separate update until 2004 when built-in then to the CU.

Waiting on Susan for 5001028 blessings. Being patient.

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[rebop2020]

OK. looks like the 1909 updates I have been awaiting are now approved. So off to do an image and restore point and install them today. Will report, of course, and look for guidance of next steps if this is successful..

 

BTW, the Feb Master Patch List  shows an update of Feb 26th!! Today is the 22nd 🙂

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[PKCano]

I believe we are still on DEFCON-2. See top of page.

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[GLJoiner]

I fought with one of my laptops for almost a year to get Windows updates to run on a 3 year old MSI system, it would reboot, hang, then rollback.

Tried a reinstall, refresh from USB, all failed.

 

Turned out to be safeboot in the BIOS – turned it off, updated fine then turned it back on! I don’t know why a windows update that changes the boot would not work with the bios..

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[rebop2020]

See this PK.

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[rebop2020]

And note the date?????

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[rebop2020]

OK @PKCano. Sitting tight waiting to hear which is correct.

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[PKCano]

Both are correct.
BUT
The Master Patch List pertains to businesses with IT Dept.s
The DEFCON sustem applies to consumers/individuals.

Read the last line that shows on the Main Blog page under “The latest vulnerabilities in the network stack”

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[rebop2020]

Hmmm. I do not see anything on the Master Patch List posts nor the html that says for IT Pros Only. How would we know that is the intent?

“Read the last line that shows on the Main Blog page under “The latest vulnerabilities in the network stack””

I think that is pretty easy to miss.

Back to wait mode.

 

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[WSbromberg]

I upgraded from v1909 (on 2/18/21) to 20H2 and have received numerous BSoDs and mouse/kb lockups – not all the time, but enough which makes me reconsider going back to v1909.

Dan

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[rebop2020]

I think it would be helpful if this topic said “For IT Professionals Only” or some such.

https://www.askwoody.com/patch-list-master/

Note it still says Feb 26th although appears to have been updated again today to mention 20H2 recommended.

And so, if the Master Patch List does not apply to me, what topic should I be watching to check when safe to update my 1909 and then hopefully move on the get current – at least for a while.

Thanks.

 

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[PKCano]

The great big MS-DEFCON number at the top of the Blog.
When it’s 3 or larger, it’s time to update.

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[rebop2020]

Of course. Not blind here, but no explanation behind the change in number?

I like to be more informed than a number change when I can. Which is why I was following the other topic which it seems is not designed for me or others with home networks who are not in IT.

It confuses me why this is not made more clear. And why posts are post dated. Maybe its just me….

Back in wait mode….

 

Thanks.

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[Microfix]

perhaps this would help

MS-DEFCON System

MS-DEFCON System (grey header panel) explains in detail

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[rebop2020]

Thanks. Have read that. I just *thought* that when the number changes there might be a topic that has the back story on why it changed each time it does. Similar to what Susan does for IT pros. Perhaps there is not.

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[PKCano]

rebop2020 wrote:

I just *thought* that when the number changes there might be a topic that has the back story on why it changed each time it does.

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/ms-defcon-4-make-sure-january-updates-are-installed/

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/ms-defcon-4-reminder-for-december-updates/

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/ms-defcon-4-all-clear-to-install-updates/

There’s been at least one each month on the Main Blog.

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[rebop2020]

Cool. Now I know what to keep an eye out for.

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[Alex5723]

rebop2020 wrote:

Of course. Not blind here, but no explanation behind the change in number?

The change in MS-DEFCON is always accompanied by a blog post by Susan on Computerworld.

example : https://www.computerworld.com/article/3605357/is-it-time-to-install-microsofts-january-updates-yes.html

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[rebop2020]

OK, at Defcon 4 🙂 and getting ready to try the updates. I did a wushowhide and found two I had not seen before:

Intel software component 2.11.100.3 and Intel system 2.10.100.2

I am *assuming* these should be hidden, yes?

AND, I thought I would do the 1909 update and then the .net separately later unless you think it is best to do both in the same update. Will wait to be sure on both.

Thanks.

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[PKCano]

Yes to the .NET update separately. Let’s see if updating works now.

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[rebop2020]

Wow. AW having issues this morning!

You did not address the two Intel offerings PK. Yes to hide before I start this? And I may wait until AW more steady in case I need to jump back with an issue. But I am hoping/expecting these to go smoothly.

 

Thanks.

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[PKCano]

Yes, only deal with the CU – not Intel, not .NET.

Yes, it’s OK to wait till AW is back to normal.

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[Susan Bradley]

Temporarily putting the site in maintenance mode @ AskWoody

Still a bit bumpy.  Apologies.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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[rebop2020]

No apologies needed! I fully understand.

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[rebop2020]

Running dialog:

Started the 1909 CU update. Downloaded in less than a minute. Then went to installing and 100% in less than another minute. Then went back to installing again. After two minutes or so, 20%. Another two minutes to 44%. Two more to 73%. Hanging at 74% for quite some time now – almost 5 minutes. Now ticking off, 78, 79, 80….pausing at 90%. Done pending restart.

Restarting….Working on Updates. Taking its time. Its OK. Restarting. Macrium screen. Now Getting Windows Ready message…Desktop.

WinVer 1909 18.363.1379

New icon – Meet now. Everything else looks fine. All drives and mapped. 5 GB taken up somewhere. Will look a little. Not in temps. Not in system restore.

I’m going to call this successful. You?

So I will assume (and wait for you to confirm PK) that next is to unhide the .NET update and run that. Yes?

Thanks.

(Back in 20-30 minutes)

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[Bob99]

Bob-

That little icon labeled “Meet Now” is part of MS’s effort to get folks to use Skype in an easier way, with (if I recall correctly) no sign-in needed.

If you don’t use Skype or if you don’t intend to use it, you can just right-click on the icon and have it disappear from the system tray/taskbar. That’s what I did when it showed up several months ago. When you right-click on it, one of the choices says something about disabling it, and that’s what you want if you’re not going to use it.

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[rebop2020]

BAck.

 

Got an email from you saying “Probably windows.old but that is from Feature only, no? And not there. About 500MB for the cab for that 1909 Update. All I could find.

 

So, next? .NET? Anything special or just unhide?

Thx.

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[PKCano]

Leave the .NET hidden. You can install the next .NET update in March. There was some difficulty with the Feb one. I have hidden it on my Win10 and it’s not critical.

Well, that’s a winner. Look through the hidden updates. If you have hidden the Flash removal or any Defender updates, unhide and install them.

I would let 1909 alone till March updates. After that, you can choose to upgrade to 2004 or 20H2 whenever you want. But I think it would be a good idea to see how this works for a while. Go through your settings, turn on System Restore so you have Restore Points.

Make a full disk image and a data backup SOON. You don’t want to lose this one.

Oh, and I would not run Disk Cleanup at least for the next 10 days. After that, you can get rid of the old stuff which will remove some of those GBs you acquired.

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[rebop2020]

OK. One reason I was anxious to try the .NET is that I still cannot get Dolby working (you might recall that) and thought that had a chance. I shall wait.

Restore was on.

Brief look at Control Panel has a Windows 2 Go I don’t recall. Will look at all settings.

Image no worries, but what “data backup” are you referring to?

And I assume that my TRV at 1909 stays for a while? AHHH it is now in GPEDIT and not configured. How should I make that change from Registry to GP? Just configure GP or need to delete Reg keys first or…?

New Update to hide: Security Update for Windows 10 KB4535680. Will look for that while I await your opinion.And BTW, I have never been offered Edge Chrome.

 

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[PKCano]

Just configure TRV in GP. Leave the Reg setting alone, the GP setting should override it.

The .NET CU is cumulative – you can wait.

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[rebop2020]

Cool. And just wait until Edge is offered to me as well?

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[PKCano]

You will eventually get it by default, I think in April.

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[rebop2020]

AHHHH, that’s the Secure Boot Susan advises against! Hidden….

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[rebop2020]

OK, found one other tiny change: I have a custom column for “Backup Method” in my Macrium folders in Windows Explorer. It got deleted. Easy to rest and not uncommon for a Win 10 update to say to itself “that doesn’t look right – I’ll remove it”. But that, Meet Me, Windows 2 Go and TRV in GPEDIT. I think that’s about it.

See ya in a couple of weeks when we likely do 20H2. Guaranteed more changes then.

Thanks.

~Bob

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[Bob99]

Brief look at Control Panel has a Windows 2 Go I don’t recall.

Hi Bob!

Just a quick note to let you know that Windows 2 Go is disappearing from editions of Windows 10 starting with 2004, so you don’t need to worry about it! There’s a formal announcement about it disappearing in the light blue box at the very top of the following web page from Microsoft which describes Windows 2 Go:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-to-go-overview

Based upon what you’ve said in post just above, this sounds like some good news for you.

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[rebop2020]

Thanks Bob. One less thing to worry about 🙂

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[rebop2020]

@PKCano, question. Reading the newsletter again and Susan’s recommendations, is there any reason I should not do the .NET and 20H2 updates now rather than wait 3 weeks or more for the March updates to hit DEFCON? I can wait if I must but curious the reasoning to wait.

 

Thanks.

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[Paul T]

Waiting for other to find the pitfalls is always good.
But, if you have a backup and time to update / roll back (2 – 4 hours), go for it.

cheers, Paul

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[rebop2020]

But doesn’t DEFCON 4 mean that others have discovered the pitfalls? What am I missing?

Not trying to be contentious and have a true appreciation of the help I am getting here, but some things just don’t make sense. If DEFCON 4 says all patches (or at least the ones listed) are good, why wait another month for new patches to be validated?

Now PKCano has a point its good to wait a few days or so after a CU to be sure all is working as expected before doing a Feature Update. And I have done a pretty thorough check. But OK, I’ll give it a few more days. Just hate to wait another month for things approved now. Make sense?

 

 

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[PKCano]

I think I answered the question and gave the reasons in #2346864.

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[rebop2020]

OK, reading more and going to wait for the March updates and approval. But….

Lenovo Vantage is offering me Intel Management Engine software “2044.15.0.1951” and says it fixes an issue with BSOD in Updating Windows.

I WILL be updating from 190-9 to 20H2 and updating .NET as well this month. Should I be installing this Intel patch and perhaps the Intel firmware patch as well? Are they safe? Recommended?

Thanks.

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[Paul T]

If you had made a backup and let Windows Update do it’s thing, you would now have been relaxing in the knowledge of a job well done.

Make the backup and install everything, except the previews.
Let us know how it went.

cheers, Paul

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[rebop2020]

Not understanding in the least, Paul.

First, I have backups made very night and a fresh complete backup every first of the month. So?

Second, what does “let Windows Update do it’s thing” mean? Part of the reason I am here is to know WHAT to let Windows do. Makes no sense to me what you are saying.

And quite a bit of ambiguity here. OK to install, wait a month, etc. Hard to interpret as it seems there is not a cohesive opinion. Some say disregard MPL unless IT Tech, Susan says, no, same as DEFCON.

And my last question you replied to was LENOVO VANTAGE updates, not Windows. Looking for opinions on their safety. Especially firmware updates but MB device software as well.

So perhaps you could be less cryptic on backups and Windows “doin’ its thing”.

And while I am thinking about it, are there BIO’s of the people from this site and/or those that reply as MVP’s? Would be nice to know who you are, what your background is and more data to install trust in replies. Did I miss those?

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[Alex5723]

rebop2020 wrote:

Should I be installing this Intel patch and perhaps the Intel firmware patch as well? Are they safe? Recommended?

Trust Lenovo Vantage drivers, Firmware.. Don’t trust Microsoft’s Intel.. drivers.. updates. Hide them.

Lenovo Y530.

Microsoft is sending a driver update that bricks Lenovo laptops (I got it too) Lenovo – System – 15.11.29.61.
Lenovo ACPI-Compliant Virtual Power Controller” under “System devices”. Block/hide the update

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-IdeaPad-1xx-3xx-5xx-7xx-Edge-LaVie-Z-Flex-Notebooks/LAPTOP-BEEPING-UPDATE-WONT-TURN-ON/m-p/5068125

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[rebop2020]

I found this interesting, Alex. Got me reconsidering that Vantage update again:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-warns-this-windows-10-workaround-to-cure-lenovo-thinkpad-bsods-hits-security/

From what I read the fix is risky and the issue might not affect me and my specific computer.

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[rebop2020]

Thanks Alex. I learned my lesson (before finding AskWoody) on Microsoft offered Lenovo updates. I did the Realtek Audio from M’soft and  Dolby has never worked since. Waiting for a Lenovo update to the driver. Cannot find a way to unwind and not mission critical.

I have had issues with Vantage drivers as well, but Lenovo actually fixed them after dozens of posts on their forums 🙂 My rule of thumb is if its working, don’t update. The reason I am possibly bending that rule now is the IME update claims to fix a BSOD from using Windows Update and since I will be doing Feature update soon, want to see how important and trustworthy that particular update is.

 

 

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[rebop2020]

I went ahead and did the .NET update for three reasons:

1. I have never unhid something and installed so wanted to observe that process
2. I was hoping it might fix my Dolby issue that crashes in .net. It  did not.
3. I wanted to be sure my decision NOT to update the Lenovo Intel Management Driver was a good decision. It appears top be.

So no hitches or issues. All seems fine. Except Dolby still broken.

Will be waiting on the next approval of the March 20H2.

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[Alex5723]

rebop2020 wrote:

Lenovo Intel Management Driver

Intel Management Engine 12.0 Firmware

(Fix) Enhancement to address CVE-2020-8752/8753/8745/8750/8757/8756/8760/8744/8751/8754/8761/8747/8755/8746/8749/8705/12303/12304/12297

That is for my Lenovo Y530.

Haven’t installed yet but I did update my BIOS a couple of minutes ago.

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[rebop2020]

 

I think that might be a different version of IME than I was offered. I want to say mine was 15, but unsure.. All seems working fine without it. DO let me know what you find when you install.

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[rebop2020]

I’m going to put this in this thread in case it is related to either the 1909 update or .NET. I have just started to google for answers, but if you know the answer would save some time perhaps.

Last night while I was asleep and nothing scheduled to run I got about 50 of the following critical errors. all the same except for the containerID’s:

Description:
Metadata staging failed, result=0x80070490 for container ‘{00000000-0000-0000-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF}’
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns=”http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event”&gt;
<System>
<Provider Name=”Microsoft-Windows-DeviceSetupManager” Guid=”{fcbb06bb-6a2a-46e3-abaa-246cb4e508b2}” />
<EventID>131</EventID>
<Version>0</Version>
<Level>2</Level>
<Task>0</Task>
<Opcode>0</Opcode>
<Keywords>0x4000000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime=”2021-03-05T06:56:27.586830400Z” />
<EventRecordID>6173</EventRecordID>
<Correlation />
<Execution ProcessID=”14536″ ThreadID=”12060″ />
<Channel>Microsoft-Windows-DeviceSetupManager/Admin</Channel>
<Computer>W———-S</Computer>
<Security UserID=”S——–” />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data Name=”Prop_ContainerId”>{00000000-0000-0000-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF}</Data>
<Data Name=”HRESULT”>2147943568</Data>
</EventData>
</Event>

Ideas while I look? If I find it first will report the solution. Have never seen this error before. All happened within a minute.

Thanks.

~Bob

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[rebop2020]

Update, they are ERRORS, not “critical” errors.

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[rebop2020]

Ok, came across this:
<p style=”text-align: left;”>”In regards to the event id 131 for Windows 10, I went to control panel, devices and printers, right click your pc icon, click device installation settings, click no let me choose what to do, uncheck box automatically get the device app and info provided by your device manufacturer. After that I did not get any more 131 errors.”</p>
Now, I have it set not to download drivers in GP and when I go to

Device Installation settings I get different options:

“Do you want to automatically download manufacturer’s apps and custom icons available for your devices?

YES, recommended (was checked

NO, (your device might not work as expected)

I changed to NO. Can you tell me how yours are set? Did yoi make the change?

 

Thanks.

 

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[rebop2020]

From another site on this error:

You may receive event id 131 stating that metadata staging failed and devices did not update but if you read your event log in full, a few seconds later the devices do actually update.  This really is a timing issue.

Event Log:

Select Applications and Services

Select Microsoft

Select Windows

Select Device Set up Manager

Now you should see the red errors with event id 131 and underneath that you will the successful update of devices a few seconds later.

This is ‘a timing issue on the server’ not hardware or software related.

Makes sense as I see those as mentioned and also have not seen these errors before. I will be keeping an eye open.

PS. Failed to post going to a warning page about my IP being blocked?? Using a different browser and session to post now.

 

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