Update in both Hide and Hidden; Tried AKB2000013; now what?

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Several days ago a Windows Driver (Intel – System 10.1.15.6) showed up in wushowhide. I hid it and then checked to be sure it was hidden.

Then yesterday, the same update appeared on the WU screen with a “Download” button. (I have GP set to 2, notify download/install). I checked wushowhide and it was both in “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates”. I tried several times to hide it in “Hide updates”, and it would report that it was fixed.

But, when I checked wushowhide immediately after, it was still there, both in “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates”.

I decided to wait to see if it would show up when WU updated itself. Tonight WU updated itself and the driver was still listed with the “Download” button. It was still in both “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates.”

So, I went through the steps in ABK2000013.
1. Turned on metered connections and shut down.
2. Booted up with metered connections on. I checked to see if it was still on and it was.
3. Opened wushowhide. Hid the driver. Got the “is fixed screen”, as I did before. Checked “Show hidden updates”; the driver was still hidden (as it was yesterday and several days ago). Checked “Hide updates.” The driver was still there (as it was several days ago). No matter how many times I did this, the driver was both in “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates”.
4. Opened services. Applied Stop
5. RESTARTED the computer. Checked to see that metered connections was still on.
6. Opened Services and set to Manual. (It said Manual (Trigger Start).

7. I immediately ran wushowhide. “Hide updates” looked as it did before. “Show hidden updates” looked the same as it was before, i.e., the driver was in both screens.
8. I RESTARTED the computer.
9. I opened Windows Update. This is the screen I got then

10. And this is the screen I have now.

Apparently, the steps in AKB2000013 did not work. Is there anything I can do right now to stop it? (Metered connections is still on).

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I rather think this update is installed.

Have you tried rebooting? If your system reboots without error, I would leave the update and any attempted removal alone.

Do you have a backup?

Future suggestion, try WUMgr:
https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr

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I don’t think it has installed yet, because I haven’t restarted yet.

P.S. I wonder how you saw my first post (#2310205), because I was in the process of editing it when you replied!

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[WCHS]

geekdom wrote:

Future suggestion, try WUMgr …

I see that others, too, have had problems with updates/drivers appearing under both “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates” in wushowhide.

So, now I want to turn to WuMgr.
I’ve opened the link, but I don’t see any download button.

1. Are there any instructions anywhere on how to download WuMgr, once at the link? Do you have to sign up, first, to download??
2. Are there any instructions anywhere on how to use it to hide and unhide?

I’ve done a search here, using “WuMgr” as the term, but nothing comes up with instructions for downloading and instructions for using, nothing that I can find.

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WUMgr is linked in the tools section.
Follow the link, click on the CODE button (green), download the zip/ extract the portable utility and place it somewhere then run it.

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[WCHS]

Microfix wrote:

WUMgr is linked in the tools section.

I haven’t downloaded it, because I want to know how it works before I jump in.
I’ve gone to the ghacks article at ghacks review.

It says “You do need to activate the check for updates scan first to populate the listings.” Is that the circle with arrows?

Can one still use GP=2 (notify download/install)? Or does one “un-enable” this GP setting and let WuMgr do this work? And, if the latter, how does one get WuMgr to do this work (i.e., to produce the “download” button on the WU screen?)

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Click the ‘circle arrow’ for update. The ‘circle’ will run ‘check for update’
Click the ‘slash-on-eye’ to hide/unhide.

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Alex5723 wrote:

Click the ‘circle arrow’ for update. The ‘circle’ will run ‘check for update’
Click the ‘slash-on-eye’ to hide/unhide.

Could you tell me what the other symbols are after the ‘circle arrow’?

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WCHS wrote:

Can one still use GP=2 (notify download/install)? Or does one “un-enable” this GP setting and let WuMgr do this work? And, if the latter, how does one get WuMgr to do this work (i.e., to produce the “download” button on the WU screen?)

If you have Pro and are using Group Policy Editor to stop updates from automatically downloading/installing, then I don’t see why you’d want to use a third-party update blocker/manager.

I can understand Home users, as they don’t have the same level of control of updates as Pro users do, but with GP ‘2’ policy set you are in control of what updates are downloading from WU. You can use the MS tool wushowhide to hide any updates you don’t want in the update queue.

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WCHS wrote:

9. I opened Windows Update. This is the screen I got then

This screen (Windows Update Screen B.jpg) for step 9 did not post. Here it is. It is the screen that I got before it changed to the screen in step 10. (schedule restart.jpg)

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The update is pending,

Run Disk Cleanup and Clean up system files.

Then try WUMgr to hide the update:
https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr

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geekdom wrote:

Run Disk Cleanup and Clean up system files.

There is no choice to Clean up system. The boxes for “Downloaded Program Files,” “Temporary Internet Files,” and “Thumbnails” are checked, though.

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Maybe someone can tell me if I didn’t apply the steps correctly?

Or maybe these steps were applied correctly, but they didn’t work because the update was both in “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates.” I’ve never seen an update in both places in wushowhide before.

Now after step 10, (with the “restart required, schedule restart” screen showing, the update no longer is listed in “Hide updates”, but it IS listed in “Show hidden updates”.

I wondering if that means that there were two of these updates (with the same name and details), one in “Hide Updates” and the other in “Show hidden updates”, and not one update that was showing up in both places.

If there were two distinct updates, both with the same name and same details, why/how could that have happened? Was it the case that after the first update was hidden, WU could no longer see it and so sent it again, and thus, there were two of them and the second instance could not be hidden because the first instance had already been hidden. And so, the second instance was going to be installed, no matter what?

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When you went to the MajorGeeks website, did you download from the author’s site? or from the MajorGeeks website?
(I want to avoid any add-ons for adblockers, anti-virus programs, etc — i.e., this kind of bloatware)

• Could you describe what each of the options does?
• How does WuMgr interact with GP=2 (notify download/install)?

Right now I am using wushowhide. Every so often and most particularly on Patch Tuesday, I have used it to hide the Week B patches until MS-DEFCON=3+, at which time I had unhide them to install them, sometimes unhiding and installing one by one. After I unhide, I get a “download” button to install them because GP=2.

Yesterday, a driver update appeared in “Hide updates” that had already the day before been hidden. So, yesterday there were two of the same update, one in “Hide updates” and the other in “Show hidden updates;” the one in “Hide updates” could not be hidden because there was already one in “Show hidden updates” I was forced to install it, but no harm was done (I can’t see evidence of its having installed.) But, I want to prevent this in the future and WuMgr was recommended here as a substitute for the buggy wushowhide. I want to:

1. Prevent an update from appearing in both “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates”.
2. Keep driver updates from being included in Windows Updates.
3. Hide Patch Tuesday Week “B” updates that are in the WU queue and then unhide them when MS-DEFCON=3+
4. Still get the “Download” button (via GP=2) after the update is unhidden.
5. Hide any other updates that appear in the WU queue in Weeks “A”, “C”, “D” and “E”.
6. Keep the updates that wushowhide has hidden still hidden in WuMgr, such as KB 4023057=Microsoft Update Health Tools.

Currently,

• I am not getting optional Week “C” previews, because GUI: FU=0
• I do not get the .NET Previews (because I have not installed the .NET CU that it is superseding)
• TRV=1909.

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WCHS wrote:

When you went to the MajorGeeks website, did you download from the author’s site? or from the MajorGeeks website?

I downloaded my copy of WUMgr from the author’s site (https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr/releases).

You’ll find that this program works in a way that’s very similar to the classic Windows Update from Vista and Windows 7. You’ll make your selection of which updates to download and install and can just ignore the rest, you won’t have to worry about which updates to hide or whether they might end up getting installed because you failed to correctly utter the magical incantation that Microsoft requires to avoid them. It’s like classic WU: if you don’t put a check mark in its box, it won’t get installed.

For a good rundown of how to use WUMgr, see this post by @bobbyb.

 

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Cybertooth wrote:

For a good rundown of how to use WUMgr, see this post by @bobbyb.

the link was already posted in #2310301 surely a blindspot like that with instructions needs medical attention 🙂

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Sorry, I took the link that I used directly from the first post in one of my threads, which touches on this topic. @bobbyb’s post is the best description I’ve seen of how to use WUMgr, and I simply wanted to call attention to that. Didn’t make the connection that the thread (overall, as opposed to bobbyb’s post specifically) was the same as where bobbyb’s post appeared.

 

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Actually, there is now a very good rundown on how to use WuMgr at Guide to Using WUMgr Home > Forum > Tools > Guide to Using WuMgr for Windows 10 Updates.

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WCHS, I have always downloaded WUMgr from the MajorGeeks website, specifically from this link here: https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/wumgr,1.html

I’ve trusted MajorGeeks for my downloads for several years now — and I’ve never had any problems with unwanted add-ons or bloatware being included.  As always though, I should include the disclaimer: “YMMV”.  But I really don’t think you’ll have any issues with that.

As for your other questions regarding how WUMgr interacts with wushowhide, GP=2, or Windows Update in general, I can only tell you that I don’t need to use wushowhide or worry about the MS Windows Update settings anymore on my Win10 systems.  I rely exclusively on using just WUMgr by itself now.

If you set the WUMgr options as listed in my other post at #2305331, you won’t even see the Windows Update page in the system Settings any longer.  It will be completely hidden from the user interface.  When you want to check for updates, you run WUMgr, and just ignore the built-in MS Windows Update altogether.  At least, that’s what I’ve been doing.  And for the past year now, none of my Win10 systems have had any updates installed without me first selecting each one individually and approving it for download.

WUMgr has been remarkably stable and well-behaved on my systems; and I’ve been quite happy using it in place of MS Windows Update.  I don’t even worry about checking Windows Update or wushowhide anymore.  WUMgr keeps all those updates at bay.  I decide what updates I want to install, and when to install them.  Just like I used to be able to do on Win7.  If you still have questions though, let me know.

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WCHS, I thought I’d follow-up on this topic of using WUMgr to control updates.  When I updated my systems here over the weekend I took some time to write up an instruction sheet on how to use (or at least how I’m currently using) WUMgr.

I’ve attached it to this posting here as a PDF file.  I’ve been using this procedure for over a year now; and I can confirm that I have never once had an update pushed onto any of my Win 10 systems without me explicitly selecting it first for installation.  Hopefully this write-up may help with how to use WUMgr to both install — and to block — updates.  Let me know if you still have any questions.

Using-WUMgr-to-Update-a-Windows-10-System

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Tom-R wrote:

an instruction sheet on how to use (or at least how I’m currently using) WUMgr.

I have some questions right off the bat.
1. What is the button that looks like an upside down triangle with a line under it for?
2. Why would one use the “link” button?
3. What is unblocking access the WU servers going to do?
4. What is enabling “store auto update” going to do?
5. In step 17 I see “Hide WU Setting Page”. Should this also be checked in Step 3? I take that this prevents the WU Display page from showing? Does it also prevent the opportunity to click on “Windows Security” > Virus & threat protection > Virus & threat protection updates”? Sometimes I go there to update Windows Defender (which works in conjunction with my AV software (McAfee).

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[EP]

answer for question 1 – that “upside down” triangle button is for WuMgr to manually download the updates selected or checked but will NOT install them right away (aka. download only)

answer for question 2 – the “copy link” button is for copying the hidden or direct links to the update files to a text file

answer for question 4 – enables Microsoft store to auto update apps only if running MS store or if MS Store is active

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I can only answer a couple of your questions.  Here’s the answers I do have.  For #1, the upside down triangle with a line under it is the “Download” button.  It apparently would be used to download the selected updates without actually installing them.  I’m not sure if it works though; since I’ve never had a need to use it.

For #5, the “Hide WU Settings Page” does just exactly what it says.  It removes the “Windows Update” page (and only that page) from the Settings.  It has no effect on the “Windows Security” or “Virus & threat protection” pages.  So you can continue to scan and update with Windows Defender just as you do now.

Also, that option to “Hide WU Settings Page” isn’t mentioned in step 3 since it’s not relevant to the procedure at that point.  It’s basically a Don’t Care setting as far as installing the selected updates via WUMgr.

As for questions #2, #3, and #4, I don’t really have answers for you.  I’m not sure what the “Link” button is used for; nor have I ever tried (or had a need to) use it.  The settings to “Block Access to WU Servers” and to “Disable Store Auto Update” are options that I chose to select for my systems here to try to be absolutely certain that Microsoft can’t surreptitiously go behind the scenes (e.g., some kind of background task or process) to push an update without me asking for it.  If you want to know programmatically exactly how WUMgr accomplishes that blocking, I don’t know.  That would be a question to ask the author (David Xanatos).  Here’s a link to his GitHub forum for WUMgr issues:

https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr/issues

Prior to using WUMgr I had been using my own custom script files to manually disable MS services, disable scheduled MS tasks, block MS services and programs via a firewall, and rename some Windows Update related .exe files.  My script files worked quite well at stopping MS from pushing updates onto my systems; but it was also a bit labor intensive keeping the script files up to date with Microsoft’s ever more aggressive updating methods.  Once I discovered WUMgr and tested it, I found that it was just as good (or better) than my own home brew script files.  So even though I don’t fully understand how he’s blocking the MS updates, I’m confident (after a year’s worth of experience) that however he’s doing it it seems to be working — and with much less effort on my part.

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Tom-R wrote:

Let me know if you still have any questions.

Using-WUMgr-to-Update-a-Windows-10-System

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To @Tom-R:
How did you get this to be a link in the text of your post. I understand how you got it to be an attachment, but I can’t figure out how you got it to also be a link in the message itself.

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WCHS:  It’s pretty straightforward.  When you select the file to be attached, click on the link labeled “Insert into content“.

But I’ll admit it wasn’t obvious to me the first time I wanted to do that either.

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What got inserted into the post was an IMAGE with “Insert into content”.

I am asking how a LINK was inserted into the post. See the red square in my snapshot.

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It’s going to depend on the TYPE of file that you’re attaching.  An image file (e.g., .JPG or .PNG) will be inserted into the post as an image.  A document file (e.g., .PDF) will be inserted into the post as a link.  The forum controls that behavior; so the user doesn’t have any say over that — at least not as far as I know.

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OK. That answers that!! Thanks.

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