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    FREEWARE SPOTLIGHT By Deanna McElveen Outdated software is one of the most common vulnerabilities that hackers use to gain a foothold in a computer sy
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    • #2610636

      Not even close to be a replacement to SUmo.

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      • #2610667

        Alex,

        The whole purpose of this article was to fill the gap for SUMo going away.

        <h4 class=”alert-heading”>Termination notice</h4>
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        All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
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        • #2610777

          Sorry, massive fail. Nowhere near the over 2,000 titles supported by the former SUMo database. (I use some pretty obscure, but up to date and still under development, freeware.)

          -- rc primak

        • #2610797

          I agree that UpdateHub is not near a perfect replacement for SUMo, at least not as it is yet. I used SUMo every week for years and found it to be pretty reliable. Although it was never quite 100% in finding new updates for software running on my system, it was far better than any alternative. As soon as it was announced it was going away, I installed and started using UpdateHub, UCheck, IObit Software Updater, as well as others, and compared them each week to what SUMo was finding. None of them were close to as good as SUMo, and in fact, all of them combined were not as good as SUMo.

          Now that SUMo is gone, I am still running UpdateHub, UCheck, and IObit Software Updater each week, but I am also going directly to the download pages for some individual programs that I have not seen these other updaters finding to see if updates have been released. To say the least, it is kind of a pain now that SUMo is gone. Really wish someone would have picked it up and kept it going.

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    • #2610658

      I tried installing and running but it tells me I need more a current version of Winget but I can’t find/figure out how to download this from the hub.  Totally confusing software.

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      • #2610671

        If your Microsoft winget is out of date, do this:

        Right-click your Start Button and open Powershell Admin or Terminal Admin.

        Type the following and then hit ENTER.

        winget install wingetcreate

        Let it finish the install.

        • #2610695

          winget install wingetcreate

          WingetCreate is a tool for creating and submitting packages.

          winget upgrade winget

          should update winget.

        • #2610753

          If your Microsoft winget is out of date, do this:

          Right-click your Start Button and open Powershell Admin or Terminal Admin.

          Type the following and then hit ENTER.

          winget install wingetcreate

          Let it finish the install.

          Thanks, and this elevated Powershell command works to get the latest winget. But UpdateHub still doesn’t find it.

          • #2611063

            Thanks, and this elevated Powershell command works to get the latest winget.

            Are you sure? wingetcreate is a different and independent tool from winget.

      • #2610666

        Winget is a command-line utility in Windows. Try running winget /? from a command prompt (I don’t recall if you need to run cmd as an admin or not).

    • #2610670

      Hi all,

      You may be getting a page not found on the OlderGeeks.com website this morning. Just refresh it a time or two. We’re working on it.

      -Deanna

      OlderGeeks.com

    • #2610644

      UpdateHub says I need winget, but doesn’t say where I can get it, the authorized Microsoft version. (Microsoft.com? Windows Store? GitHub?) I don’t want to download some “winget” that comes from who knows where.

      Can you help?

      • #2610649

        I found a partial answer to my question. winget is indeed in the Windows Store, part of the “App Installer” by Microsoft Corporation. I could not find it in a search there; I had to use this link instead: App Installer – Microsoft Apps .

        Thus I found it was already installed, in a subdirectory of “C:\Program Files\WindowsApps” with a name like “Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller…”. OK, so why didn’t UpdateHub find it? I don’t have a solution for that yet.

         

         

        • #2610760

          I do not find winget or any of the variations mentioned hear on my PC or at the Microsoft Store. MS tried to install something called Hello.

    • #2610645

      Though I haven’t tried it, this seems to be a pretty face for winget, a command-line app included in Windows.

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      • #2610780

        Winget and Powershell only detect 57 programs on my Windows 11 Pro PCs. I have over 103 programs, both installed and portable, on each machine.  This does not include driver-related software and components of larger programs or suites.

        -- rc primak

    • #2610690

      For many years I’ve been using Patch My PC, based I think on a recommendation from you, and which I note is still in your catalog.

      Is this program better than Patch My PC, or just an alternative?

      One point I like about Patch My PC is that it automatically creates a Restore Point before installing updates, but I can’t see any reference to that in your article about UpdateHub.  Does it create Restore Points?

      Another point that I’m concerned about is that from the Settings window this program appears to run every time I start Windows, which is unlikely to be a convenient time to start installing patches, whereas I’ve got Patch My PC set to run at a convenient time each week.

      I’d appreciate comments before deciding to switch to this program.

       

      • #2610763

        Another good thing about Patch My PC is that you can keep specific programs from updating. I have several programs that use older versions because the latest versions have useless bells and whistles that I nether want or need. Other programs are best updated directly from the app.

        Peace, CAS

      • #2610781

        Nowhere near the huge database SUMo had.

        -- rc primak

    • #2610689

      Hi Deanna,

      Suppose a Windows program of mine updates itself, and the new update is disaster.  Can I use the Rollback feature on UpdateHub to return the program to the way it was prior to it updating itself?

      Or can I only use Rollback when I have used UpdateHub to perform the update?

      Thanks very much for your help.

    • #2610746

      The whole purpose of this article was to fill the gap for SUMo going away.

      Sorry, but it doesn’t fill the gap. Not even close.
      Portable UCheck does a much better job.

      • #2610782

        I looked over the list of compatible programs on the UCheck site. It pales in comparison with the over 2,000 programs formerly supported by SUMo.

        -- rc primak

        • #2610861

          Hi rc primack:

          The ~ 250 programs listed on the UCheck site at https://www.adlice.com/ucheck-software-list/ are called Compatible programs because they are fully supported (i.e., UCheck can install / update / uninstall). Currently there is only one portable app, Malwarebytes’ AdwCleaner, on that list. UCheck uses web bots that automatically crawl the software developers’ site to look for available updates for Compatible programs so detecting an available update can sometimes be a bit slow if the developer is slow to update the links on their web site when a new version is released.

          In the past two months Tigzy, the UCheck developer, has added detection for over 2300 Community apps where the latest version is based on telemetry data collected from the wider UCheck community (i.e., which is how SUMo used to check for the latest version). UCheck will find available updates for these Community apps but cannot automatically update them. I assume that some of these Community apps will eventually be re-classified as Compatible apps over time.

          If you want to test UCheck for detection of your portable apps:

          1. Go to UCheck GitHub page at https://github.com/AdliceSoftware/UCheck and download the latest UCheck BETA (currently v5.0.7.0 released 05-Dec-2023) from the download link (https://download.adlice.com/UCheck/Beta/UCheck64.exe) in the FAQ section. NOTE that all BETAs are portable builds and the UCheck64.exe file does not require installation.
          2. Launch UCheck, go to History & Settings | Custom Locations and add the location of your portable apps. For example, all my ~30 portable apps run from a removable USB stick and are located in a folder called E:\Portable.
          3. Run a scan from the main dashboard. Go to the Installed panel and click on the Portable tab as shown below when the scan has finished.  Any apps that are out-of-date will have STATUS of “Outdated” and will be listed in the summary on the Updates panel.

          UCheck-BETA-v5_0_7_0-Portable-Tab-Filter-Results-11-Dec-2023

          In the image above AdwCleaner has a purple background because it is a Compatible (fully supported) portable app, while the majority have a grey background to show they are Community apps (version check only). Executables with no background colour are unsupported (no version check, uninstall only). The Display dropdown can be used filter the scan results.

          This v5.0.7.0 BETA build of UCheck will incorrectly recommend an update to a beta / preview version on occasion, and any portable app with the name “Uninstaller” (e.g., Revo Uninstaller Free Portable, Geek Uninstaller Portable, etc.) is filtered out / ignored by UCheck. To date the only workaround is to add the word “portable” or “Portable” to the executable name (e.g., to rename RevoUn.exe to RevoUn_Portable; rename geek.exe to geek-portable.exe, etc.) – see my bug report at https://github.com/AdliceSoftware/UCheck/issues/9, which is now closed because Tigzy has no immediate plans to fix this glitch.
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    • #2610761

      What’s keeping me from trying is the two options: Install – Ignore where you mention Ignore is forever. I might want to ignore for now and refresh some other time. Bothers me. Would likely never care to ignore forever.

       

      • #2610856

        You can un-ignore:

        Clicking Ignore will make UpdateHub ignore that program update until the end of time — or until you go into Settings (bottom-left corner) and click See ignored outdated items. From there, you can “un-shun” the program.

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    • #2610769

      Another good thing about Patch My PC

      Patch My PC doesn’t see portable apps.

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    • #2610768

      Hi Deanna,
      I’ve been using UpdateHub ever since the day Sumo ended. I have two problems with it:

      1 When I first started using it, it was at version 2.2.3 and it worked fine.  Then I upgraded it to version 2.3.1 and it won’t work.  Any update it tries times out (“Error: Timeout reached”) before completing. I’ve reported it through Github and I believe they are working on it.  When asked, I sent them the app.log file from the program.

      2 Is there any way to stop it from running (icon in Systray) after running UpdateHub?

      Thanks,
      Stu

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    • #2610778

      I UNinstalled UpdateHub via Control Panel and get this Popup Ea Re-Start after all apps have loaded and desktop is viewed – I Clk OK to make it disappear from desktop.
      HOW do I end this POPUP?

      12-11-23-UPDATE-HUB-POPUP-on-RE-START

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      • #2610783

        Install it again and use something like Revo Uninstaller or Geek Uninstaller in the Force Removal mode to get rid of the entire program and all its Registry entries.

        -- rc primak

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    • #2610784

      I do have a way to list over 103 installed apps and programs in my Windows 11 PC, but no one is going to like this method. I use PowerToys to do an OCR of the Settings App panel which lists All Apps. This will not list portable or other non-installed apps. But at least this way I know what to search for, open and check manually for updates every month or so.

      I keep manually compiled lists of non-installed apps, as most of them sit on my Windows Desktop so I can open their Folders with File Explorer and get the OCR from there. In the 23H2 Feature Update we are supposed to get OCR capabilities built into Microsoft Paint.

      I do miss SUMo. Too bad the author was so pushy about spyware and adware. I would never contribute money to such a person.

      -- rc primak

    • #2610785

      I absolutely HATE software that installs itself where it thinks I want it. No, I want to tell everything what I want, not what it wants. So this software fails miserably in that regard. I suggest you do NOT recommend software that does not allow custom installation. Thank you.

       

    • #2610799

      Winget and Powershell only detect 57 programs on my Windows 11 Pro PCs. I have over 103 programs, both installed and portable

      Except for SUmo none of these software updates can detect portable apps (my 100+ portable apps are on drive D: )

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      • #2611152

        Looking for portable excecutable files outwith the boot-drive shouldn’t be that difficult for programmers/ devs..eh!, no folder/ drive exclusions section?
        I’ll be giving UpdateHub a wide-berth..good luck with that.

        Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
    • #2610807

      I didn’t see any reference to Windows 11 in either the article or at OlderGeeks, so am assuming UpdateHub won’t work with Win11?

    • #2610868

      I installed UpdateHub today and it sems to work. However, two issues were noted, one before I ran it and one after.

      The before issue was a statement in the OlderGeeks download site that advised that to take advantage of all features, one should always run it as administrator.  Agree or not? If you do, this probably should be added to the procedure you published.

      The while running issue is that 4 of the 9 apps requiring updating failed to update. Three involved Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributables, which all aborted with the same error message. The other was Belarc Advisor which aborted with the message “couldn’t update this app because the installer differs from the specified one.”

      Any suggestions?

      I uninstalled PatchMyPC which never reported on more than about 6 apps.

       

      Don E.

      • #2611174

        Forgot to ask for email when replies are received. Added now.

      • #2611478

        … The while running issue is that 4 of the 9 apps requiring updating failed to update. Three involved Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributables, which all aborted with the same error message….

        Hi doneager:

        See the attached image in Alex5723’s 10-Dec-2023 post # 2610422 in WCHS’ Win 10 22H2 November patches: Why do I have these 4 Windows App Runtime apps? that shows the 0x800401f5 (Application Not Found) error messages they saw when they tried to use the winget update –all command in Powershell to update their x86 and x64 Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 Redistributables from v12.0.21005.1 to 12.0.40664.0 (note: you will have to be logged in to the AskWoody forum to see Alex5723’s attachment).

        The July 2023 ghacks.net article Update All Windows Programs with UpdateHub states that “UpdateHub is an open source program for Windows devices that relies on winget functionality to run update checks on the system” so the update failure of your Microsoft Visual C++Redistributables with UpdateHub could be related to Alex5723’s winget errors.

        … The other was Belarc Advisor which aborted with the message “couldn’t update this app because the installer differs from the specified one.”…

        When I update Belarc Advisor v12.x I download the latest .exe installer and run it with Administrator rights to perform an over-the-top update. Belarc sent me an email with a direct download link for the latest installer when I initially downloaded Belarc Advisor from https://www.belarc.com/products/belarc-advisor/download, but if you didn’t keep your email from Belarc then reputable download sites like MajorGeeks (https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/belarc_advisor.html) and Softpedia (https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/Belarc-Advisor.shtml) are currently offering the latest Belarc Advisor v12.1.0 (advisorinstaller.exe) installer as well.
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    • #2610917

      I installed UpdateHub, but it kept failing with some sort of timeout error.  I rebooted, & UpdateHub continued to fail.  So, sadly, I felt the safest thing to do was uninstall it.  I’m hoping UpdateHub didn’t corrupt anything.

    • #2611008

      I absolutely HATE software that installs itself where it thinks I want it. No, I want to tell everything what I want, not what it wants. So this software fails miserably in that regard. I suggest you do NOT recommend software that does not allow custom installation. Thank you.

       

      +1

    • #2611071

      I don’t have any desire whatsoever to use some utility to update any of my software, with the exception of Windows Update. I have a total of 36 installed programs/apps, and two portable apps. In my experience I see no distinct advantage in using portable apps. The majority of programs/apps that I use have the option to check for updates, and I always check this in the software’s preferences/options setting.  Others have a “Check for updates” link prominently displayed on the launch screen.  What I do most with my PC’s is image/video/audio editing, some coding, and controlling Windows to the best of my ability.

      I absolutely HATE software that installs itself where it thinks I want it. No, I want to tell everything what I want, not what it wants.

      I feel the same. For software that does not offer installation options, I use Application Mover (not free) from Funduc.  It won’t move Office, but will move most everything else. I want Windows to stay out of my way and remain a platform, and I want my software to do what I want it to do. I use Revo Uninstaller Pro to get rid of the software that doesn’t perform to my expectations.

      Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
      We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

      • #2611110

        And then there are some freeware programs, none of them portable apps, which not only do not have their own update options, but do not even display their own version current version numbers. Even checking the File Location and hovering over the main executable for these programs reveals an incorrect version number, according to the developers’ own web sites and current installers. I have at least a half-dozen freeware programs with this issue. And all are currently being developed and maintained. SUMo also had detection issues with some of these programs.

        -- rc primak

        • #2611149

          And then there are some freeware programs, none of them portable apps, which not only do not have their own update options, but do not even display their own version current version numbers.

          Yeah, I don’t use that category of freeware programs.  In fact I only use a handful of freeware programs; Firefox, O&O ShutUp10, DuckDuckGo Browser beta, HDCleaner, Samsung Magician, Process Hacker 2, Resource Hacker, Adobe Acrobat, and that’s about it.

          I do use Intel Driver & Support Assistant, but it updates itself as well as offering updated Intel drivers.

          Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
          We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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      • #2611213

        I don’t have any desire whatsoever to use some utility to update any of my software, with the exception of Windows Update…

        Hi bbearren:

        I’ve never used a software updater program like SUMo, UCheck, etc. to update my software. I only used SUMo to identify any out-of-date third-party programs and then performed a manual update using the built-in updater (if one was provided) or downloaded the latest version directly from the developer’s site. Some of the portable apps I use will automatically check for an available program update at launch but only a few have a built-in updater.

        … I have a total of 36 installed programs/apps, and two portable apps. In my experience I see no distinct advantage in using portable apps…

        One advantage of using a portable app is that if the portable app is designed correctly (which some aren’t, unfortunately) and the configuration settings are saved in a .ini file located in the same folder as the executable(s) then all you need to do to remove that app is to delete the folder where the files are located.  No uninstaller is required.

        When I remove an installed program I typically have to use a utility like Revo Uninstaller Free to clean up the orphaned disk files and registry entries that are often left behind by the “normal” uninstaller. If software developers could provide uninstallers that removed the last traces of their software from my system then I might be less inclined to use the portable build of their program.

        Another advantage of a portable app is that it can be run from a removable USB stick. If you have multiple computers in your household and want to run a diagnostic on one of those computers – say with HWiNFO Portable – you can plug that USB stick into any computer and run HWiNFO Portable from the USB stick. That way there’s no need to install HWiNFO on each individual computer.
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        • #2611229

          When I remove an installed program I typically have to use a utility like Revo Uninstaller Free to clean up the orphaned disk files and registry entries that are often left behind by the “normal” uninstaller.

          I’ve been using Revo Uninstaller Pro for several years, now, and it doesn’t leave anything behind.  I use it (run as trusted installer) primarily these days to get rid of “Features” Microsoft thinks I need, such as Edge and WebView2.  2,523 registry keys, values, app folders and files all gone in short order.

          If you have multiple computers in your household … there’s no need to install HWiNFO on each individual computer.

          I do have multiple computers in my household, but they have all been stripped of the fat, fluff and fiddle-fuddle and are quite efficient and stable.  I do have the occasional hardware issue due to age, but that is relatively easy to diagnose and recover.  They also have TeraByte’s Image For Windows installed, and recent drive images at the ready.

          Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
          We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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    • #2611225

      UpdateHub is still kind of rough…

      PatchMyPC and WingetUI work well for us.

      The main thing I didn’t like about SUmo was that it included betas in the update results, even when the include betas option was not checked.

      It took more time to verify if the update was what we wanted.

       

       

       

       

       

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      I definitely miss SUMo. For me, even with the free version, the portable version was very useful for getting a quick look at a random computer (i.e., ones that I do maintenance on, but don’t look at frequently) of what’s installed, and needs updates.

      I’m currently playing with several:

      – UpdateHub looks interesting, but seems only to report stuff that needs updating, and no indication of what’s installed, but already current. On the machine I’m testing on, that means that the only things that are showing up are several Microsoft Vistual C++ modules, which I consider to be low priority.

      – I’ve used PatchMyPC for years, usually in conjunction with SUMo. Let SUMo give me a full picture, and then PatchMyPC will give me a lot of updates, even if not everything. PatchMyPC is useful for updates of common stuff, but doesn’t have the depth of getting to more obscure things.

      – UCheck is interesting, but the UI is frustrating. Besides the quality of the graphical display, it’s hard to exclude updates that I don’t want reported, and there are too many instances where it reports something that needs updating, but won’t show the location of where it’s installed. And there’s no capacity for rescanning individual installs, without doing a new full-system scan. I’m OK with read-only scanning on an unpaid version that won’t do installs, but if I install separately, then it would be nice to get an updated display. This is especially an issue if I’m looking at a machine that needs a lot of updates, not just one or two.

      – I’ve made a little bit of use of Chocolately on a test machine. It seems to work well, and is nice if you’re trying to do stuff by scripting, although if there are problems, then it takes more effort to go digging through logs. I know that it’s similar to both WinGet and Scoop, but I haven’t seen those to try to compare. Chocolately is also limited to the number of things it recognizes.

      – I’m also playing with one other utility that looks really promising. It’s got a decent sized list of stuff that is recognized, and the developer accepts submissions of new stuff. I’m impressed enough with this one, that I’m using that as my first tool for checking, and perhaps the only thing that it lacks (at least for me) is that there’s no portable option. The developer is a small-scale programmer, and his support page notes that he’s got a lot of other stuff going on in his life right now. I’m deliberately not mentioning the name here, so as to not overwhelm him.

      A month or so ago, I mentioned this tool in another forum, and two or three there started submitting new titles. Of the first several submitted, it’s gratifying to see that they’re now included, but for more recent submissions, the tool is reporting “submitted”, but where the developer hasn’t done the work of verifying all the download information and including in his set. I found this tool via alternativeto.net, but right now, I think that he’s not prepared for another blast of new users, unless there’s a bunch that want to make donations to his work (including keeping his server going).

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        … I’m also playing with one other utility that looks really promising. It’s got a decent sized list of stuff that is recognized, and the developer accepts submissions of new stuff. I’m impressed enough with this one, that I’m using that as my first tool for checking, and perhaps the only thing that it lacks (at least for me) is that there’s no portable option …

        Hi StillAnonymous:

        Are you referring to QuickInstaller (Preview)?  If so I’ve been testing this software along with UCheck and suspect that QuickInstaller will be my preferred choice if the developer expands their list of supported portable apps.  Right now QuickInstaller only checks for available updates for less than 10 of the ~ 30 portable apps that I run from a removable USB stick.

        QuickInstaller-v0_2_8748_37063-Portable-Apps-Detected-15-Dec-2023

        Please note that the latest QuickInstaller (Preview) v0.2.8748.37063 (rel. 15-Dec-2023) is now signed with a digital certificate and new users should no longer see Microsoft’s SmartScreen complain when they try to download the installer.
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