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    LANGALIST By Fred Langa Microsoft’s incremental rollout of Win11 is continuing — newer, more-compatible PCs are receiving the upgrade now, while older
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    • #2400375

      Nice review

    • #2400450

      What abbodi86 said.

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    • #2400457

      There is a VERY old joke about Microsoft new software releases and how they go about debugging.

      They call it version 1.

      Part of the OTHG (over the hill gang). Which way did they go --- I'm their leader!

      • #2400921

        They call it version 1.

        I remember the joke a bit differently (but I’m old, too, so maybe I forgot). My recollection is “Microsoft gets it right on the third try.”

        This was based on DOS 3 and Windows 3. There are quite a few other examples in Microsoft’s opus, one of which is Visual Basic versions 3 and 6.

    • #2400653

      What I retain from all this is:

      -Microsoft is able to make gorgeous looking design.

      -Microsoft seem to forget more and more how it was good at designing functional UIs in the past. Windows was and might still offer the best UI there is, but from maybe Windows 2000 or XP, it went mostly downhill in many ways, even if they added a few nice things here and there.

      -Microsoft seem to think they must emulate the inferior functional interface of their small market share competitors (vs the desktop and laptop PC market) just to look contemporary, to remain relevant. Why can’t they do the best of both worlds? It’s like Firefox copying Chrome thinking people will find them more interesting because they remove UI features their users loved and unfortunately betting that privacy will be enough of an incentive to keep or gain users.

      -There is a difference between cluttering the UI with useless things and removing advanced features. I am for a clean UI, but it needs to offer an easy way for basic users to do what they want and a complete set of features for advanced users, with an ability to use shortcuts or customization options to add frequently used items somewhere else. Preventing power users from using a functional Start Menu or taskbar serves nobody. Lambda users don’t mess with that. Power users get angry.

      -Settings need to be easily found in one giant place, with redundancy some other places acceptable, but no scattering of settings in different unusual places without a mirror in the normal settings spot. Windows 11 seem to improve on that. You need to be able to see all Windows settings and choose everything you want in a dedicated space, organized.

      -Microsoft should abide by the click rule: is there a way to do the same features with the same number or less mouse clicks for a frequently used feature? If no, then it is not a great idea. If it is a feature frequently used by some users, maybe make it customizable so it can be added to a place where it is quicker to access.

      -Microsoft pretend Windows 11 is designed to diffuse a sense of peace and whatever in a sea of crazy changes and distractions. The irony is Microsoft is responsible for those with their two times a year release schedule, which they reduced to one time a year with Windows 11, which is still too much for many. They also bloat the OS with mindless ads, sleazy marketing tactics to push bing or prevent you from easily choosing your default browser. Oh, the coherence!

      -Windows was by far and is still the productivity desktop of choice. It is not great at security although they have very competent people on the security front. They seem to be going in that direction of being more secure, but it still has the legacy hindering those efforts. Windows should focus strategically on its core business, productivity and flexibility, while working on ease of deployment and security, then it would secure its position even more in the market as the no nonsense choice for serious work. They can switch the look to keep mass appeal, but not hinder productivity while doing so. The more Microsoft makes it annoying to deal with Windows, the more Apple and its new chips, less hassle experience for some and simple, beautiful interface can be attractive. I worked on the ugly classic look of Windows 7 for years because the classic theme was better for identifying the active window.

      What Windows need is more customization and an easy way to save and copy settings from one computer to another. That way, advanced users could easily make a smarter set of settings targeted to their audience and simply dump them on others computers. I do that with registry scripts, but it is not user friendly. There are many things from the newer Windows versions I need to repair to get back to a productive state and I don’t think it is because I am a dinosaur. Group policy is incomplete. You need registry hacks to switch many settings quickly without going into the UI. You shouldn’t have to rely on images to deploy a fresh Windows and push sensible settings onto it, whether you are a home user that reinstalls or a SMB business user.

      To give examples:

      -I want to open an explorer Window on This PC so I can see drive instead of the stupid quick access when pressing WINDOWS+E because I only use this to reach drives, relying on search for finding documents and folder hierarchies otherwise or using one of the few shortcuts to my documents or pictures on the taskbar’s quicklaunch bar. Windows in its default state now needs more clicks to do all kind of things.

      -The search tool since 10 is inferior to Windows 7’s one and it often needs more clicks to reach what you are looking for.

      -The taskbar is awful after Vista, I need to tweak it to get back the view where I see what Windows are open and what is in it, to avoid clicking or hovering, wasting time to see what I am looking for. I need to re-enable the quicklaunch bar to have icons on the bar to quickly start apps (yes I could use keyboard shortcuts, but users click so that’s better for my users). It would be nice to be able to assign shortcut keys to quicklaunch icons with a vanilla Windows version. I like Windows showing in the taskbar, because they don’t move. You get used to have this third window you are working on there and you go there when you need it, you don’t alt-tab, look where your window is right now among the high number of open windows, just to find it.

      Conclusion:

      The only way we have a little chance of signaling Microsoft their approach to software development is insane is to not buy into it. I won’t run Windows 11 in production for a while, until it gets better than 10 in terms of quality/stability or until 10 runs out of support.

      If enough people reject the OS, they will have to look into why and stop arrogantly or mindlessly prevent people from customizing their experience or change settings as much. Maybe they will look into adding more function into design, thinking in terms of productivity and not just look. They might have listened a bit with Windows 11, reducing the number of feature updates and cleaning the interface, they just didn’t do such a good job with the feedback and forgot to not create more hassle at the same time when people want another browser, for example. Let’s hope they won’t think Windows is dead because people don’t rush to upgrade but realize they just need to get better at releasing quality software from the start and focus on productivity.

       

       

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    • #2400681

      They might have listened a bit with Windows 11, reducing the number of feature updates and cleaning the interface

      I suspect Microsoft looks jealously at Apple’s cash mountain, forgetting that its own foray into PC/laptop hardware has been less than stellar.

      I believe MS has no option but to keep on developing Windows for consumers… for the moment – but only as a continuity platform for the remaining MS Office cash cow. I can’t think of any other reason now that MS are no longer charging for the Windows OS itself.

      As Enterprise/Education users are already managed, it seems apparent that MS no longer has any interest in local, consumer installs of Windows except to limit MS’ exposure to issues, hence the move to locking everything down/removing functionality and obfuscating choice.

      “If Joe/Josephine Public cannot change anything then they’ll have fewer problems.” seems to be the new mantra.

    • #2400711

      It seems that to judge Microsoft to Apple based on Windows 10/11 might be a little short-sided.  Click on the link for a look at the numbers in dollars.

      Microsoft And Apple: An Updated Comparison After The First Half Of 2021

      They’re doin’ alright.

      Operating System Market Share Worldwide – October 2021
      Android – 39.75%
      Windows – 32.44%
      iOS – 16.7%
      OS X – 6.85%
      Unknown – 1.9%
      Chrome OS – 1.1

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

    • #2400736

      What I retain from all this is:

      -Microsoft is able to make gorgeous looking design.

      What I take from all this is :

      Microsoft is able to copy bluntly MacOS and Linux desktop.. design.

    • #2400750

      They’re doin’ alright.

      Based on a dubious ‘Seeking Alpha’ article written by some unknown who is “focused on growth and dividend income.”? I’m convinced… I’m going to invest all my worldly wealth, based on your recommendation.

      Alternatively, I’ve no doubt that I can find similar flaky sites arguing the opposite. 🙂

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    • #2402296

      Legacy programs were left intact and some show improvement:

      Paint (not Paint3d) with improvements
      Backup (Windows 7)

      There may be others.

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    • #2403156

      Based on all I have read waiting is not the option I would chose.
      The option would be running. 🏃🏻‍♀️
      Likely in the direction of Linux …🐧

      Happy Thanksgiving everyone, we all do have things to be thankful for if we can even be on this board.

      The 🦃🦃 maybe less so

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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    • #2403161

      I upgraded my work machine almost 2 weeks ago just to get used to it before we get clients rolling in with their Christmas presents. Much better than playing with a VM a couple hours per week. Bear in mind I run a decrapped Win 10 with quite a few modifications. I have had no issues with installed software and it has been perfectly stable.

      Getting used to the new menus and icons is a bit of a pain but wouldn’t be a showstopper as I can tweak most of it. The settings app has so much stuff buried it’s kind of a pain to find things. Had to go to a tethered connection today due to internet outage and it was a chore. Required a reboot which was never needed with 10.

      I’ll probably be going back to 10 in the next week or so. Not because 11 is THAT bad but it’s what most of my clients run and I like my machine to be as close to theirs as possible. I also won’t be recommending they upgrade for at least a year or two.

      Funny thing… I upgraded my family machine just to bug my wife. She’s been using it all this time and never noticed!!! Grandkid noticed immediately though 🙂

    • #2404053

      I have a EVOO latop and the windows 11 checker said all compatible except for the Intel i7-6660U processor. I then did the registry change and downloaded the 11 install.

      Upgrade went with no problems and it then downloaded some updates.

      After a few days I started getting concerned about pauses and delays. Mostly related to screen display and response to clicking with mouse. When using RDP it is even worse. I doubted it was my internet connection.

      Today I reverted back to windows 11 which was smooth.

      The delays and pauses are gone. RDP to work is back to normal.

      Question would be why? Does the CPU lack some function that the newer generations have that Windows 11 counts on?

      • #2404056

        RDP as host or guest? I’ve been logging into many machines and have not noticed any issues. As to delays I would be thinking drivers. On my work machine I can’t say it’s any faster but definitely not any slower. The grandson said on the family machine it is faster in his opinion than 10.

    • #2404103

      Does the CPU lack some function that the newer generations have that Windows 11 counts on?

      Yes, it does. Example VBS (Virtualization-Based Security) support.

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