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    • #237097 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Not all is doom and gloom. Microsoft’s finally learned how to approach Win10 1809 patching with some finesse — a trait that’s been in short supply ov
      [See the full post at: Where we stand with the November patches]

    • #237098 Reply

      plodr
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just a comment on Windows 7 November patches. I’m a Group B patcher.

      After imaging our four Windows 7 computers (32 bit and 64 bit; one Pro and the other’s Home Premium) yesterday, I manually installed two patches: 4467106 Security only and 4466536 Cumulative IE11 Security.

       

      I haven’t noticed any strange behavior on the computers.

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      • #240363 Reply

        anonymous

        Seeing With latest WIN 7 Patches USB issues for printing….
        The USB printing Support drivers got updated and the new drivers are not digitally signed.   Now no USB printers will work on these machines.

    • #237150 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Lounger

      Inst’d Without issue (Macrium Images @ Ready) : W7-64 Nov Mo Sec Rollup KB4467107/ 4.72 NetFrmwk KB4467240/ Ofc ’10-(32) KB4032218/ Ofc ’10-(32) KB3114565/ ’10-(32) Excel KB4461530/ ’10-(32) Word KB4461526/ Outlook APP Not Active in Hm-Stud Ofc ’10 but WU Shows KB4461529 / inst’d …. Skipped MSRT — so far.

      IF — EN — sees this …….. Your Regedit script (link below) did NOT produce the MRT Folder at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREPoliciesMicrosoft – BUT – Editor states the Mod Occurred when I try to open the MRT.reg “desktop save-in” folder you instructed. Maps & Heartbeat ONLY SHOW in mrt.log for last two monthly Sep-Oct WU MSRT runs, and I believe prior mods per the Forum prevent any other transmissions. Computer OK but I’d love to try your instructions again With Your Input – IF time/interest allows..
      https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/telemetry-from-the-malicious-software-removal-tool/#post-30910

      WU Grp A - Win 7-64 Hm Prem / Hm-Stdnt Office '10(32bit) / i5 Sandy Bridge Gen 2 / NO Java or Flash

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    • #237158 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Lounger

      EN telemetry link is two-years old with no link to EN Profile. You may want to look for something more recent.

      Group G{ot backup} Win7 · x64 · SP1 · i3-3220 · TestBeta
    • #237169 Reply

      ComTruise
      AskWoody Lounger

      On roughly 5,000 Windows 7 x64 workstations and notebooks… roughly 2-3% of them have some strange icon issues after installing KB4467107, KB4467240, KB4466536, KB4461529…

      The windows sound icon replaced all icons for some… The outlook icon replaced all icons on another machine… some weird stuff… some just had icons switched. For example with Outlook and Siemens NX open, NX had the outlook icon, Outlook had the NX icon… really confused some users!

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    • #237174 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      My 1803 14-day quality update deferral machines installed

      2018-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4467702)
      2018-11 Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057)

      yesterday, with no ill effects or problems.

    • #237176 Reply

      nazzy
      AskWoody Lounger

      Installed 2018-11 patches on several Windows 7 Pro x64 machines and 2016 servers (domain controller and member servers) without any issues.

       

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    • #237183 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Lounger

      Some folks would have you believe that the Insider Release Preview Ring was designed for testing new versions of Windows. But that isn’t the way it was designed.

      Why should the Release Preview ring NOT be used to test new versions of Windows (as it had been for every previous feature update)?

      You’ve quoted Microsoft’s definition of Release Preview Ring several times this month. Why do you interpret “early access to updates” as applying to quality updates but not feature updates?

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      • #237196 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        This is what MS says (originally):

        If you want to be on the current public release of Windows 10 but still get early access to updates, applications, and drivers without taking the risk of moving to the Development Branch, the Release Preview Ring is your best option. The Release Preview Ring is only visible when your Windows build version is the same as the current Production Branch.

        That states very specifically that the Insider Release Preview Branch is for those who are running the “current public release.” Not the ones who are running the Fast Ring or Slow Ring beta builds.

        The Insider Release Preview ring has been used, occasionally, in the past couple of years to distribute what amounts to an RTM candidate. That isn’t the way it was intended to be used — I’ve been kvetching about that for more than two years. The way they’re now using it for Win10 1809 makes lots of sense, and it matches the original definition.

        Did I misinterpret something?

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        • #237199 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Lounger

          The Insider Release Preview ring has been used, occasionally, in the past couple of years to distribute what amounts to an RTM candidate.

          Not occasionally, but every single time (pre-1809).

          That isn’t the way it was intended to be used

          How do you know? Who says?

          It was used that way for three years.

          Did I misinterpret something?

          My two questions at #237183 I think, as you haven’t answered either of them.

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          • #237380 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            A big part of the problem is the way Microsoft keeps changing the terminology, then doesn’t go back and update its earlier posts. Thus, “Current Branch for Business,” for example, is everywhere in the docs.

            Here’s how I would re-cast Microsoft’s original post, using the terminology currently in vogue:

            If you want to be on the current version of Windows 10 but still get early access to updates, applications, and drivers without taking the risk of moving to the next version’s Fast or Slow Ring, the Release Preview Ring is your best option. The Release Preview Ring is only visible when your Windows version is the same as the latest Semi-Annual Channel.

            If you accept that translation, I think it answers your questions. If you don’t accept that translation, I sympathize, but I’d still argue that Microsoft desperately needs a testing mechanism for cumulative updates, particularly those destined for the most-recently released version.

            I’ve been saying that in print for more than two years.

            (FWIW, you’re absolutely right about the Insider Release Preview Ring being used for “RTM candidate” drops in 1803 and earlier. For 1803, the last Release Preview version dropped 3 days before RTM; for 1709 is was 4 days before RTM; for 1703 it was 6 days before RTM; for 1607, it was just the day before RTM. There was no “RTM candidate” drop for 1809.)

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        • #237215 Reply

          anonymous

          Windows 10 1809 is never going to be production ready. In fact, it has been shipped with a preview of the upcoming .NET Framework 4.8; and Microsoft clearly states that such previews are not supported for production use. Windows 10 1809 is simply an Insider Preview for the masses.

          • #237304 Reply

            b
            AskWoody Lounger

            Windows 10 1809 is never going to be production ready. In fact, it has been shipped with a preview of the upcoming .NET Framework 4.8; and Microsoft clearly states that such previews are not supported for production use. Windows 10 1809 is simply an Insider Preview for the masses.

            I don’t believe this is true. I’ve been using 1809 for two months and have .NET 4.7.2 installed but not 4.8.

            Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant "Toxic drinker"

    • #237217 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Lounger

      For some reason, in the Master Patch List, already two weeks since Patch Tuesday, there is no mention, yet, of the November IE11 Security Only Cumulative patch for Windows 7. All the other November patches I would install regularly, as part of Group B, are listed there, still with the usual place-holder comments.

      It is still too early to patch, anyways, except for those who may be in a rush to do it now, for some particularly pressing motive of their own, or who are impatient and want to get it over with. But I wonder at the absence of IE11 in the MPL. Is there something the matter with this patch?

    • #237418 Reply

      anonymous

      Sorry to bring this topic up once again, but it seems each month we are all held up while we dwell on the “problem Windows version of the month”.  Last month it was Windows 7, this month Windows 10 ver 1809, etc. which seems to dominate and dictate the Defcon rating.

      Seems like this month all versions of Windows are in pretty good shape except for 1809 again. But we aren’t hearing much of anything, even the good about what is OK.

      So isn’t there some way via indicator, separate defcon, or something to separate the truely troubled monthly version(s) from the OK ones?

      I realize Susan has the Master Patch List, but then it is always cautioned to stick with the Defcon rating so inevitably we all wait on all versions till the very last minute only to go ahead and install most updates anyway.

      Lately we’ve kind of been everybody hold everything till the last minute then everybody update or not.

      • #237425 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        We recommend you WAIT on the DEFCON rating of 3 or above and Woody’s guidance in ComputerWorld.

        Every month.

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      • #237430 Reply

        anonymous

        Another anonymous familiar with this recurring question offers this humorous take.

        From the movie Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, a Disney production directed by Gore Verbinski, with writting credits to Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio, transcription clipped from Wikiquote. There is dialog where Miss Swann (pretending to be Turner for the plot) believes she has Capt. Barbossa on a legal point:

        Elizabeth: Wait! You have to take me to shore. According to the Code of the Order of the Brethren-

        Barbossa: First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate’s code to apply and you’re not. And thirdly, the code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner.

        In a similar spirit, I suggest that reading AskWoody.com and following the MS-DEFCON system is a volunteer activity. There will be no skeletons knocking on your door some moonlit night seeking to run you through for breaking from the advice by updating early or late. The published advice is clear. Following it is a choice.

        Remember the reasons that brought you here seeking advice and choose whether those reasons suggest the advice here is worth following. Adapt your own actions accordingly. Many millions update without knowing this advice exists. I wait for MS-DEFCON clearance because it makes sense to me.

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        • #237505 Reply

          anonymous

          My point is, I like others come here for information regarding the pros, cons, goods, bads, for ALL versions of Windows ( I currently have Windows 7, Windows 10 versions 1709 and 1803.

          Fully understand it is ultimately each one of us to make our own decision, but would like some information to do so.

          Take this month as an example, almost everthing is about 1809, hardly a beep regarding the other versions.  So without any information do we assume all is well and fine with the other versions?  Are we just waiting until something corrects before we do anything on any version?

          It would just be more helpful if there was a post or something addressing each version if only to say once or twice a week – Regarding  version(s) XYZ, so far so good”.

          • #237516 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            The DEFCON rating applies to ALL versions of Windows. Woody gives his instructions once a month for ALL versions of Windows when he changes the DEFCON rating for all of them.

            You hear about 1809 mostly this month because it has most of the problems at this time. But any problems found with other versions or MS products (like Office) that are reported to us are scattered throughout the posts and topics. Woody summarizes them in his ComputerWorld instructions so we don’t have to go sorting through everything. And the summary is only as complete for a given month as he can make it, when Woody gives those instructions.

            Of course, you are free to sort through that information at any time. And the decision of when to update is entirely up to you.

          • #237519 Reply

            Microfix
            AskWoody MVP

            Thanks PKCano, also there is Susan Bradley’s Master Patch List to refer to in conjuction with the MS-DEFCON indicator. I find the Patch list more individual per OS and weigh up the risks involved from reports gathered on Askwoody and elsewhere.

            | W10 Pro x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 | Linux x64 Hybrids | XP Pro O/L
          • #237556 Reply

            anonymous

            I am the Barbarossa quoting anon#post-237430. Sorry you found my humor too general.

            I find irony that you request a periodic refresh of information in the comment section to a topic giving exactly that. Where you ask for

            It would just be more helpful if there was a post or something addressing each version if only to say once or twice a week – Regarding version(s) XYZ, so far so good”.

            Woody’s linked article (long link given here, https://www.computerworld.com/article/3216425/microsoft-windows/microsoft-patch-alert-after-months-of-bad-news-novembers-patching-seems-positively-serene.html) says in a summary way

            As things stand now, I haven’t heard any loud screams of pain stemming from the Win10 Cumulative Updates, second monthly Cumulative Updates, or the Win7 or 8.1 Monthly Rollups.

            It is small, but it is there. Hope that helps show our confusion over your request.

    • #237506 Reply

      cesmart4125
      AskWoody Lounger

      I misread Woody’s article.  kb4667240 is the monthly roll up for .NET 3.5.1… 4.7.2.  It’s not the monthly roll up for Win 7 32-bit.  (Edit won’t let me delete my comment all together.)

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    • #237551 Reply

      anonymous

      My last try at this, as the Calvary is pouring in:

      The DEFCON rating applies to ALL versions of Windows.

      Exactly, whether applicable or needed to apply to each version or not.

      But any problems found with other versions or MS products (like Office) that are reported to us are scattered throughout the posts and topics.

      Exactly again, rather than gathering those few in an easy to check way (such as a weekly blog entry “Where we are with XXXX Updates to-date” so one can make a go or no go decision as the month progresses.  And since there is this scattering, one cannot tell if a version has no problems or a comment was simply missed.

      there is Susan Bradley’s Master Patch List to refer to in conjuction with the MS-DEFCON indicator.

      Originally given honorable mention in original post along with commentary that we are told Susan is more business related and we should wait for the Woody rating.

      Thanks for the chance at the soap box – if no one sees merit in this, so be it.

      Its Woody’s Lounge.

      • #237558 Reply

        anonymous

        And I believe he really is trying to be helpful in his Lounge. I posted better above before I refreshed to find this comment. What you ask has merit. I only hope to show the need is already addressed. Or demonstrate that I still do not see the lack of information you seek.

    Please follow the -Lounge Rules- no personal attacks, no swearing, and politics/religion are relegated to the Rants forum.

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