Where we stand with the September 2019 patches

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It’s a mess, folks. I can’t recall the last time Patch Lady Susan Bradley recommended that you pass on a zero-day patch. Somebody please tell me again
[See the full post at: Where we stand with the September 2019 patches]

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I would have to say that the real issue lies with the Windows 10 free beta test user community. They are not working hard enough to find all of the bugs as Microsoft had planned when they laid off most of their test team. And that’s causing lots of problems for the rest of us Windows 10 users.

The solution? Take the plunge. Get a copy of Linux Mint and free yourself from the nightmare.

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I already have pHROZEN.  Started with Linux Mint two years ago and I like it.  Consider yourself bitten.

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[PKCano]

pHROZEN gHOST, I have friends that run linux for well over a decade and we have various distros here since the early 2000’s. Since askwoodys does not like reposting items repeatedly, I invite you to read the following post made here by me. You can agree or disagree that is fine, that is why Woody’s is here.

#post-1888856 – link
#post-312893 – link
#post-312498 – link

[Edit: I added the links. -WL]

Thank you.

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Let’s agree to disagree and see where the future takes us.

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@anonymous

Another item of worry is that even though open source can be read by all, it appears everyone thinks the other guy will fix it. This is so bad that Europe is making bounties for bug fixes in open source.

The way you are portraying these bug bounties is straight up deceptive. Proprietary software companies also offer bug bounties. This is not a case where Europe is desperately offering bounties to people who fix known bugs, but a case where the EU is funding open-ended bounties for people who discover new issues. Top proprietary software companies like Google, Microsoft, and Facebook also famously offer bug bounties for the same reason.

People using linux had the same update issues like windows is accused of, loosing data or a home directory and having to reinstall the OS.

Citations? I’ve never heard of spontaneous data loss with an update like occurred during the Windows 10 1809 update. Obviously there are many linux distributions out there, so I suppose anything is possible. But on Linux, it’s common to use a separate home partition which completely isolates you from any issues.

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Citations? I’ve never heard of spontaneous data loss with an update like occurred during the Windows 10 1809 update. Obviously there are many linux distributions out there, so I suppose anything is possible. But on Linux, it’s common to use a separate home partition which completely isolates you from any issues.

…well not completely, no… but pretty well anyway.

Linux being just more diverse, it has indeed been possible at multiple points to lose data in an upgrade if you had specific combinations of non-mainstream disk layouts… and if your separate home / data partition was on one of those, it could be bad.

(Like how the HPE B-series RAID array’s closed-source drivers aren’t compatible with current Linux kernels… just recently had to make a Ubuntu 14.04.2 live-USB to work on one of those, newest supported. And without those, can’t access the RAID volumes. And that’s fairly benign as it’s on/off, combinations that could cause data corruption also exist…)

So far the worst such case I’ve personally seen was with Windows Server 2016, though.

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September isn’t finished yet Woody 😉

Looks like more SSU’s dropped in the Windows Catalog:
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2019-9

KB4516655 – for Win7 x64/x86 and embeded and also Win Server 2008 R2

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I just checked the catalog again and it says the last update was on !0/1 !! It’s still 9/30 in Redmond USA, and also where I am.

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Catalog items with “2019-09” in the title can be updated for several days after the end of the month. Which item did you find with a 10-01 date?

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[geekdom]

From the update details:

MSRC Number: n/a
MSRC severity: Critical
KB article numbers: 4516655
More information:
https://support.microsoft.com/help/4516655

The support page has not yet been updated to reflect today’s date or today’s information.

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What the ????????

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[geekdom]

On viewing the Microsoft Update Catalog for KB4516655, the only ones that show are dated 9/30/2019. KB4616655 dated earlier (9/10/2019?) has been removed. The date I installed KB4516655 was 9/10/2019, Patch Tuesday, from the Windows Update Queue. The updated version has not appeared in my Windows Update Queue.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb4516655

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Also done WU SMQR (Group A) checking on two bang up-to-date hardware installations of Win7 x64 and x86 Pro devices (with the exception of the IE 0-day patch in the catalog)
And can confirm that NO SSU KB4516655 in the WU queue either.

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Downloaded it and did a binary file compare with the one released earlier this month (Sep 10 or so):

fc /b windows6.1-kb4516655-x64_[20190910].msu windows6.1-kb4516655-x64_[20190930].msu
Comparing files windows6.1-kb4516655-x64_[20190910].msu and windows6.1-kb4516655-x64_[20190930].msu
FC: no differences encountered

It’s the same file (digitally signed August 19, 2019). MS just probably re-released it but (adding to the ongoing mess) also “updated” the date/time stamp in the catalog…

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Must be a metadata change. That always sounds mysterious, anyway.

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Do we still need IE patches if we do not use IE?  I have not used IE since maybe forever.  Does Windows 10 still use IE internally?

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Yes, IE still needs to be patched, even if you don’t use it as your browser, because it is still an integral part of the Windows OS.

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.. but you don’t need to patch it just now.

See Susan’s lead article in today’s AskWoody Plus Newsletter.

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With all the recent & repeated SSU re-releases, I’m starting to think that dear ole M$ is tampering with them somehow.  Doesn’t seem possible that they can consistently botch it up as often as they have.

Telemetry maybe?  Or does tired ole Purg need to calm down?

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Relax! all the method to the madness will be disclosed/documented once we reach MS-DEFCON 3/4

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Ah yes, optimism, a feeling I vaguely remember.

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Microfix

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Does this apply to all the September patches?

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Please wait to patch. We are at MS-DEFCON 2 and there appear to be some serious patching issues.

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Thanks to Woody and all for the dedication and hard work you do to keep us informed – it’s appreciated.  The reality is, all I want to do is turn on the computer and do what I want to do and not have to spend more hours deciphering Windows 10 Updates than doing my own stuff. Being an old [chap] I started out in the good old days of DOS  and then to Windows 95.  I loved the computer and the fact that “I was in control”.  Where am I now? I absolutely dislike and distrust MS and find the digital experience less than enjoyable.  I cannot believe that MS could be so inept as to dump the detritus they continually do on us the users.  Is this their ‘master plan’?  Me thinks something is woefully amiss at MS.  As much as it irks me to say this bring back Bill and the real people and lets have much less of all this IE in the clouds gunk. A simple operating system without all the “smart phone” (sic) c*** that is neither needed or, in some cases, just not wanted.

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I’ve said it many times before… as long as Google’s privacy intrusions don’t drive you nuts, almost everybody is better off with a Chromebook.

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