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      • #2299566 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Although the September Win10 version 2004 “optional, non-security, C/D/E Week” patch still hasn’t surfaced, bumps in this month’s patches have been la
        [See the full post at: Where we stand with the September patches]

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      • #2299583 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Looks like we can no longer read your computerworld articles unless we register with computerworld. When/why did that change?

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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        • #2299587 Reply
          DrBonzo
          AskWoody Plus

          I’m not having any trouble getting the article (Opera on Linux Mint 19.2).

          Edit to add: I did get a pop-up window asking me to become an “Insider” – or some such – but just clicked the X and was able to continue with the article.

          Edit again: Well OK, after scrolling down a bit in the article it does apparently make me sign up for free access in order to continue reading.

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        • #2299607 Reply
          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          computerworld

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #2299606 Reply
        marko
        AskWoody Plus

        What about other Windows versions than 10? The ComputerWorld article does not mention them?

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        • #2299703 Reply
          dmt_3904
          AskWoody Plus

          I have same question.

        • #2299706 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Information about the other versions will come in the DEFCON post before Patch Tuesday. Their updates have been unremarkable with little or no problems.
          Win10 v2004 has been the “doozy” of the month.

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      • #2299615 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Stand by. Woody has been notified about ComputerWorld.
        Please, no more “ME ALSO” posts.

        It may take a while. Please be patient.

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      • #2299641 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I have an inquiry in to my editor… stand by…

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        • #2299644 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          That was quick, up and ready now 🙂

          Win10 version 2004 is still beset with bugs. Give it another month to mature.

          2009 was a vintage OS year, could the numerical value be a good indicator for W10?

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      • #2299640 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        The still-outstanding bug has Windows run the TRIM function on hard disks. (TRIM should only be run on SSDs.)

        It has been known for at least 11 weeks that the scheduled RETRIM function fails on HDDs, resulting only in a harmless Event Log error:

        This procedure fails, as non-SSD drives do not support the trim command.

        Trying to trim a non-SSD drive (screenshot before last paragraph)

        Trimming non-SSD drives

        This month also saw an Outlook 365 bug, introduced with the latest updates: Changing a contact threw a “Your changes cannot be saved” error. Microsoft fixed that one a few days after it appeared.

        Only with iCloud, as you originally reported.

        • #2299772 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          t has been known for at least 11 weeks that the scheduled RETRIM function fails on HDDs, resulting only in a harmless Event Log error

          Yes. The bug is that Windows tries to RETRIM an HDD.

          Only with iCloud, as you originally reported.

          Quite correct.

      • #2299729 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’m considering just keeping my 10/1909 Home laptop offline for the remainder of the year and waiting for better news on 10/2004’s stability. I’m going to go and get a new Higher capacity M.2/NVM SSD for the C drive and maybe I’ll give 10/1909  not much space on that drive while getting Linux Mint 20.1 installed in a dual boot configuration alongside 10/1909 Home, hopefully in December of this year after Groovy Gorilla arrives and the Mint maintainers get that included in Mint 20.1.

        What’s really going on with that forced feature updating has got me just about ready to skip a few more months before taking the 10/1909 home laptop online.

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      • #2299788 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m considering just keeping my 10/1909 Home laptop offline for the remainder of the year and waiting for better news on 10/2004’s stability.

        By the end of the year 2004 will be old news not downloadable from Microsoft.
        If you plan to install 2004 in the future you better download an .ISO file NOW.

        It’s time to be thinking about saving a copy of Win10 v2004

      • #2299815 Reply
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        Win10 version 2004 is still beset with bugs. Give it another month to mature.

        Just a data point:

        I know you’re advising to wait, and that’s probably prudent for most folks.

        I’ve been migrating some of the systems I control to v2004 already as I’m in a special situation where we need to test our upcoming product releases with it. Yesterday I moved my second development workstation, a powerful dual Xeon system, to v2004. This is the system I sit in front of for most of every day.

        So far, its running great. A couple of hours to do the upgrade, another hour or so to ferret out my miscellaneous productivity tweaks that Microsoft reverted – and there were not that many to be honest. WinAero Tweaker is pretty easy to go through to get things back in order.

        No problems so far that I could find with applications, corporate credentials, network connectivity, running with UAC off, or anything really in more than a day of quite heavy use (I even got the Taskbar to consolidate a bunch of Explorer windows into single buttons at one point, and I have a pretty wide central monitor)…

        ScreenGrab_NoelC5_2020_09_29_083508

        -Noel

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      • #2299923 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Installed Sept. patches on Lenovo Y530 Win 10 1909 Pro.
        .Net KB4576484
        CU KB4574727
        Servicing stack KB4576751.
        MSRT KB890830

        All is well.

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        • #2300363 Reply
          WYT
          AskWoody Lounger

          I’ve patched a handful of 1909 PCs in my office with no issues so far either.  I’ll probably patch the rest next week.

      • #2299920 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Last tuesday of the month, so far nothing for Windows 2004.

        • #2300152 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          no new 2004 Sep. 2020 “preview” patches until maybe Oct. 1 or Oct. 2

          last “preview” patch for 2004 (KB4571744) was released on Sept. 3 and that was supposed to be a late Aug. 2020 patch for 2004 but wasn’t released on time

          • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by EP.
          • #2300341 Reply
            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            see – I called it. 🙂
            KB4577063 preview update for v2004 publicly released Thursday October 1st.

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      • #2299927 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Last tuesday of the month, so far nothing for Windows 2004.

        Wait for Patch E.

      • #2300017 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have customers with a number of windows 7 machines because of certain software, ease of use and stability. I took a look at their patches for September. I saw no September Microsoft patches in view updates logs. But, I saw 7 critical patches in the restore point logs after checking the little box to see more restore points. None of the boxes I saw had ESU or a Bypass patch but, all had MS Defender turned on. I am typing this with a customer’s Windows 7 sp1 machine.

      • #2300044 Reply
        Tom-R
        AskWoody Plus

        Are we still sitting at MS-DEFCON 2 because of “where we stand with the September patches” for 2004?  What about those of us with 1909 or 1903?  Are the patches for those versions considered safe at this point — maybe DEFCON 3 or 4 for those versions?  Personally, I’m not too concerned about the status of the patches for 2004 yet; since I don’t plan on upgrading to it for a while.

        • #2300048 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          ALL Sept. patches are still on MS-DEFCON 2.

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        • #2300118 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          We’re still on MS-DEFCON 2 because there’s nothing in the September patches that warrants immediate action.

          Let’s give it another day or two.

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        • #2300121 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          with things like This happening to SQL Server 2019, is it any wonder we are at MS-Defcon 2

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      • #2300093 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Just been offered KB4023057. Installed but not showing in update history

        • #2300097 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          KB4023057 is Microsoft’s “upgrade you whether you like it or not” patch. Read what it does on your computer.
          I believe you may find it (not by the KB name) in either the Settings App\Apps or in the Control Panel\Programs and Features.
          I would recommend uninstalling it, then hiding it with wushowhide next time it shows up.

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          • #2300159 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            KB4023057 is Microsoft’s “upgrade you whether you like it or not” patch. Read what it does on your computer.

            What’s the “whether you like it or not” aspect?

            I.E. What does it change or override?

            (I searched but couldn’t find.)

            • #2300168 Reply
              Alex5723
              AskWoody Plus

              Apart from deleting files, compressing files, resetting network settings…it also ” it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.
              meaning : resetting your deferrals, blocks…

            • #2300182 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Follow that link to the MS Support Page for KB4023057 and get the full picture.

          • #2300683 Reply
            mpw
            AskWoody Plus

            This was very helpful.  I found this unwanted update (kb4023057) in both Control Panel>Programs and Features and Settings>Apps.  I uninstalled it using Control Panel>Programs and Features and it also disappeared from Settings>Apps.

            HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
            Windows10 Home v1909 – Build 18363.1082
            Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
            Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
            -Version 2009(Build 13231.20262 C2R)

        • #2300103 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Now showing under installed programs and installed without my knowledge today:

          Microsoft Update Health Tools 9/30/2020 1.18MB 2.68.0.0

          G{ot backup} TestBeta
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
          WindowsDefender
          online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b4 WindowsDefender
          TargetReleaseVersion=1909
          WUMgr
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          • #2300205 Reply
            Tom-R
            AskWoody Plus

            Just wondering here; but are you able to uninstall it (the Microsoft Update Health Tools)?

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            • #2300207 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              It says it’s uninstallable, but I’m going to leave it installed.

              G{ot backup} TestBeta
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
              WindowsDefender
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b4 WindowsDefender
              TargetReleaseVersion=1909
              WUMgr
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      • #2300107 Reply
        CAS
        AskWoody Plus

        This past Saturday I installed KB4576751, KB4574727 and KB4576484 without any problems. My OS Build is now Version 1909  18363.1082. Nothing on my computer was adversely effected.

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      • #2300158 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Now showing under installed programs and installed without my knowledge today:

        Microsoft Update Health Tools 9/30/2020 1.18MB 2.68.0.0

        So Microsoft has stealthy installed KB4023057 ?
        What are your updates settings ?

        • #2300209 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Update Settings:

          • WUMgr
          • Never click Check for Updates
          • TargetReleaseVersion=1909
          • Daily backups that include full image
          G{ot backup} TestBeta
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
          WindowsDefender
          online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b4 WindowsDefender
          TargetReleaseVersion=1909
          WUMgr
          • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by geekdom.
          • #2300240 Reply
            Tom-R
            AskWoody Plus

            @geekdom:  I’m using WUMgr on my Win10Pro 1909 systems; but (at least so far) I haven’t seen any attempt by Windows Update to install MS Update Health Tools.  I’m curious as to what WUMgr options you have set.  I have these options selected on my systems:

            • Block Access to WU Servers
            • Disable Automatic Update
            • Disable Update Facilitators
            • Hide WU Settings Page
            • Disable Store Auto Update

            WUMgr-Options

            Additionally (for good measure) I also keep the WiFi connections set to Metered.  I’ve been keeping an eye on these systems; and, like I said, so far no Health Tools — or any other unwanted updates — has made its way onto any of these systems.  I’m curious if you’re settings are any different from mine.

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            • #2300297 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              WUMgr Settings:

              wumgr3

              G{ot backup} TestBeta
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
              WindowsDefender
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b4 WindowsDefender
              TargetReleaseVersion=1909
              WUMgr
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              • #2300408 Reply
                Tom-R
                AskWoody Plus

                Now I see why you got the Health Tools update pushed onto your system without warning.  Even though you’re using WUMgr you still have the Automatic Update option enabled.  I’m not that trusting, even with WUMgr.

                I keep Automatic Update disabled at all times except for once a month when Woody gives the OK by dropping the DEFCON level down to at least 3 or 4.  At that point I’ll go and use WUMgr to manually check for updates; and then only select the ones that I explicitly want.  That way I never get surprised by an unexpected or unwanted update getting installed without my approval.

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              • #2300482 Reply
                geekdom
                AskWoody Plus

                It’s good to know you’re safe.

                Microsoft Update Health Tools remains a stealth patch.

                P.S. I like testing.

                G{ot backup} TestBeta
                offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
                WindowsDefender
                online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b4 WindowsDefender
                TargetReleaseVersion=1909
                WUMgr
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      • #2300175 Reply
        mikemeinz
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 Version 2004 Problems

        On my Windows Pro 64-bit OS PC, Windows Update installed Windows 10 Version 2004 Build 19041.508 replacing Version 1909. After several days of researching and trying various suggested workarounds, I gave up and rolled back to Version 1909. Then, in Edit Group Policy, I disabled Windows Update.

        In each case below, I included a link where others are complaining about the same problem. As of September 30, 2020, I have not found anything that tells me that Microsoft has acknowledged these problems.

        Outlook forgets passwords
        I found complaints about this problem in the Feedback Hub and in answers.microsoft.com.
        RE: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/outlook-not-saving-passwords-after-windows-10/23b8609c-ccc0-4cfe-9b0b-20fca17cf088
        I tried removing all Outlook accounts and the Outlook Profile, created a new Profile (with a different name) and create all my email accounts. The credentials disappeared after the next restart.

        File shares don’t work
        I found complaints about this problem in the Feedback Hub and in docs.microsoft.com.
        RE: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/65556/windows-10-version-2004-mapped-drive-issue.html
        I have two NAS devices. I can PING the NAS devices but can’t map a drive to them. The Map Network Drive dialog can’t find the NAS device. For existing mapped drives, the password is requested. After entering the username and password, Windows is unable to find or connect to the NAS device.

        BSOD when Performance tab in Task Manager is clicked
        I found complaints about this problem in the Feedback Hub and in answers.microsoft.com.
        RE: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/windows-10-version-2004-crashing-when-task-manager/30d3b0e7-f8f9-4f56-acda-794078a00454
        Every time I click on the Performance tab in Task Manager, I get a System Service Stop exception BSOD.

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        • #2304494 Reply
          mikemeinz
          AskWoody Plus

          After much research, I believe the password amnesia issue in Windows Version 2004 Build 19041.508 with Outlook and file shares is caused by the same problem that causes this problem. More info in these posts.

      • #2300265 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Update Settings:

        • WUMgr
        • Never click Check for Updates
        • TargetReleaseVersion=1909
        • Daily backups that include full image
        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by geekdom.

        These settings doesn’t block quality updates.
        The registry targetrelease.. blocks Feature upgrade.
        Deferrals or GP setting ‘notify don’t download’ = 2 will block all updates.
        WUMgr will hide updates which are pending it won’t hide future unknown updates.

      • #2300272 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        It says it’s uninstallable, but I’m going to leave it installed.

        KB…057 has uninstall switch.

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      • #2300340 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        NOW KB4577063 CU for Win10 v2004 (build 19041.546) is available Oct. 1 after 10am pacific local time:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4577063

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4577063/

      • #2300440 Reply
        Pixie
        AskWoody Lounger

        I am currently on Win 1909 on HP Laptop Home Edition.  Has anyone upgraded to Win 2004 without major problems?  I just installed the Sept updates without any issues.   How long will 2004 be offered for download via automatic update?  I use my computer for home use and nothing loaded onto it so no programs to interfere with it.

        • #2300448 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Wait for Microsoft to send 2004 to you.

      • #2300534 Reply
        Kathy Stevens
        AskWoody Plus

        Just did a plain vanilla update of a Windows Pro 1903 machine and got Microsoft Health Tools.

        What are Microsoft Health Tools?

        Do I need them?

        Can I live without them?

        • #2300535 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          v1903 is EOL in December.
          KB4023057 is Microsoft’s “upgrade you whether you like it or not” patch. Read what it does on your computer.

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          • #2300541 Reply
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            Were does the ‘Microsoft Health Tools’ name come from ?

            On my 1909 Pro KB4023057 is just called ‘Update to windows 10’.

            • #2300544 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              It does not install as KB4023057 in WU History or Installed Updates.
              It installs as an app called Microsoft Update Health Tools

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              • #2300546 Reply
                Alex5723
                AskWoody Plus

                It does not install as KB4023057 in WU History or Installed Updates.
                It installs as an app called Microsoft Update Health Tools

                I don’t have ‘Microsoft Update Health Tools’.

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              • #2300638 Reply
                Alex5723
                AskWoody Plus

                Just got kb4023057 for 1909 Pro with Sept. updates.
                Installed as ‘Microsoft Health Tools’.

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        • #2300536 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          I’m assuming many W10 newcomers have not read this Post
          Is it still relevant in today’s terms through the many W10 changes since published?

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          • #2300545 Reply
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            On a Pro version Woody says ; just don’t bother.

            You may get hit with a stealthy installation of KB4023057, the “blast away to the next version” patch. If that patch goes in (check the Installed Updates list), don’t bother trying to uninstall it — just go back and make sure that all of your “feature update” (i.e., version change) blocks are still in effect.

            For home users you can also disregard KB4023057 and update the registry with ‘TargetReleaseVersionInfo’

            • #2300549 Reply
              Microfix
              AskWoody MVP

              That being the case, WHY do MSFT provide a method to remove the patch for ALL versions and editions of W10 up to 1909?

              Update removal information

              To uninstall this update, follow these steps:
              1. Click Start and then type cmd.exe.
              2. Right-click Command Prompt and then click Run as administrator.
              3. In the Administrator: Command Prompt window, type one of the following commands as appropriate for your system:
              For ARM-based systems: msiexec.exe /x {9C2C39FE-FDA8-4024-AE74-F06716B22D58}
              For x64-based systems: msiexec.exe /x {32DC821E-4A7D-4878-BEE8-337FA153D7F2}
              For x86-based systems: msiexec.exe /x {5F01BF33-E873-4B83-B2CC-E4DEF494073E}

              source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4023057/update-reliability-for-windows-10-versions-1507-to-1909
              Yes there’s HOME editions but other than that..

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            • #2300686 Reply
              dmt_3904
              AskWoody Plus

              don’t bother trying to uninstall it — just go back and make sure that all of your “feature update” (i.e., version change) blocks are still in effect.

              I thought KB4023057 removes any blocks/settings you may have to prevent updates?  E.g.  I have my settings as recommended by this forum to prevent monthly and major updates until recommended to install.

              • #2300761 Reply
                Coldheart9020
                AskWoody Lounger

                I thought KB4023057 removes any blocks/settings you may have to prevent updates?

                I believe it is supposed to, but I inadvertently installed it yesterday only to find and remove it using appwiz.cpl today before I installed the September CU updates KB4574727, KB4576484 and the latest MSRT (KB890830).

                Before uninstalling KB4023057 I did check my Group Policy settings, and nothing was changed from before it was installed. Still, I removed it easily and will definitely be keeping an eye on wushowhide to see if/when it will return.

      • #2300766 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        only to find and remove it using appwiz.cpl

        It does change settings in case needed (according to MS). Mine hasn’t changed.
        You can uninstall the update directly from Apps & Features page.

        On my 1909 Pro I have both KB 4023057 (03-Apr-19 2.56.0.0) and Microsoft Update Health Tools (03-Oct-20 2.68.0.0)

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        • #2300767 Reply
          Coldheart9020
          AskWoody Lounger

          You can uninstall the update directly from Apps & Features page. On my 1909 Pro I have both KB 4023057 (03-Apr-19 2.56.0.0) and Microsoft Update Health Tools (03-Oct-20 2.68.0.0)

          Yes, that’s what I did 🙂

          I uninstalled Microsoft Update Health Tools v2.68.0.0 which was a result of KB4023057 disappearing from hidden in wushowhide, which somehow escaped by notice before I attempted to install the updates. It wasn’t in the update cache, so I should have checked wushowhide before going ahead to see exactly what I was getting. I’ll just be more careful in future as apparently even a brief lapse in attention can get you things you don’t want.

          From reading this thread I identified KB4023057 as MUHT in Control Panel/Programs and Features – appwiz.cpl is just the Run command to open it directly 🙂

          Nothing I had changed in Group Policy was changed, so apparently no harm done.

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