Where we stand with the September patches

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Although the September Win10 version 2004 “optional, non-security, C/D/E Week” patch still hasn’t surfaced, bumps in this month’s patches have been la
[See the full post at: Where we stand with the September patches]

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Looks like we can no longer read your computerworld articles unless we register with computerworld. When/why did that change?

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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[DrBonzo]

I’m not having any trouble getting the article (Opera on Linux Mint 19.2).

Edit to add: I did get a pop-up window asking me to become an “Insider” – or some such – but just clicked the X and was able to continue with the article.

Edit again: Well OK, after scrolling down a bit in the article it does apparently make me sign up for free access in order to continue reading.

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Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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What about other Windows versions than 10? The ComputerWorld article does not mention them?

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SueW, Charlie

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I have same question.

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Information about the other versions will come in the DEFCON post before Patch Tuesday. Their updates have been unremarkable with little or no problems.
Win10 v2004 has been the “doozy” of the month.

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Stand by. Woody has been notified about ComputerWorld.
Please, no more “ME ALSO” posts.

It may take a while. Please be patient.

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I have an inquiry in to my editor… stand by…

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That was quick, up and ready now 🙂

Win10 version 2004 is still beset with bugs. Give it another month to mature.

2009 was a vintage OS year, could the numerical value be a good indicator for W10?

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woody

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The still-outstanding bug has Windows run the TRIM function on hard disks. (TRIM should only be run on SSDs.)

It has been known for at least 11 weeks that the scheduled RETRIM function fails on HDDs, resulting only in a harmless Event Log error:

This procedure fails, as non-SSD drives do not support the trim command.

Trying to trim a non-SSD drive (screenshot before last paragraph)

Trimming non-SSD drives

This month also saw an Outlook 365 bug, introduced with the latest updates: Changing a contact threw a “Your changes cannot be saved” error. Microsoft fixed that one a few days after it appeared.

Only with iCloud, as you originally reported.

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anonymous wrote:

t has been known for at least 11 weeks that the scheduled RETRIM function fails on HDDs, resulting only in a harmless Event Log error

Yes. The bug is that Windows tries to RETRIM an HDD.

anonymous wrote:

Only with iCloud, as you originally reported.

Quite correct.

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I’m considering just keeping my 10/1909 Home laptop offline for the remainder of the year and waiting for better news on 10/2004’s stability. I’m going to go and get a new Higher capacity M.2/NVM SSD for the C drive and maybe I’ll give 10/1909  not much space on that drive while getting Linux Mint 20.1 installed in a dual boot configuration alongside 10/1909 Home, hopefully in December of this year after Groovy Gorilla arrives and the Mint maintainers get that included in Mint 20.1.

What’s really going on with that forced feature updating has got me just about ready to skip a few more months before taking the 10/1909 home laptop online.

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anonymous wrote:

I’m considering just keeping my 10/1909 Home laptop offline for the remainder of the year and waiting for better news on 10/2004’s stability.

By the end of the year 2004 will be old news not downloadable from Microsoft.
If you plan to install 2004 in the future you better download an .ISO file NOW.

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/its-time-to-be-thinking-about-saving-a-copy-of-win10-v2004/

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Win10 version 2004 is still beset with bugs. Give it another month to mature.

Just a data point:

I know you’re advising to wait, and that’s probably prudent for most folks.

I’ve been migrating some of the systems I control to v2004 already as I’m in a special situation where we need to test our upcoming product releases with it. Yesterday I moved my second development workstation, a powerful dual Xeon system, to v2004. This is the system I sit in front of for most of every day.

So far, its running great. A couple of hours to do the upgrade, another hour or so to ferret out my miscellaneous productivity tweaks that Microsoft reverted – and there were not that many to be honest. WinAero Tweaker is pretty easy to go through to get things back in order.

No problems so far that I could find with applications, corporate credentials, network connectivity, running with UAC off, or anything really in more than a day of quite heavy use (I even got the Taskbar to consolidate a bunch of Explorer windows into single buttons at one point, and I have a pretty wide central monitor)…

-Noel

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[Alex5723]

Installed Sept. patches on Lenovo Y530 Win 10 1909 Pro.
.Net KB4576484
CU KB4574727
Servicing stack KB4576751.
MSRT KB890830

All is well.

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I’ve patched a handful of 1909 PCs in my office with no issues so far either.  I’ll probably patch the rest next week.

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Last tuesday of the month, so far nothing for Windows 2004.

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[EP]

no new 2004 Sep. 2020 “preview” patches until maybe Oct. 1 or Oct. 2

last “preview” patch for 2004 (KB4571744) was released on Sept. 3 and that was supposed to be a late Aug. 2020 patch for 2004 but wasn’t released on time

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see – I called it. 🙂
KB4577063 preview update for v2004 publicly released Thursday October 1st.

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woody

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anonymous wrote:

Last tuesday of the month, so far nothing for Windows 2004.

Wait for Patch E.

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I have customers with a number of windows 7 machines because of certain software, ease of use and stability. I took a look at their patches for September. I saw no September Microsoft patches in view updates logs. But, I saw 7 critical patches in the restore point logs after checking the little box to see more restore points. None of the boxes I saw had ESU or a Bypass patch but, all had MS Defender turned on. I am typing this with a customer’s Windows 7 sp1 machine.

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Are we still sitting at MS-DEFCON 2 because of “where we stand with the September patches” for 2004?  What about those of us with 1909 or 1903?  Are the patches for those versions considered safe at this point — maybe DEFCON 3 or 4 for those versions?  Personally, I’m not too concerned about the status of the patches for 2004 yet; since I don’t plan on upgrading to it for a while.

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ALL Sept. patches are still on MS-DEFCON 2.

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woody

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We’re still on MS-DEFCON 2 because there’s nothing in the September patches that warrants immediate action.

Let’s give it another day or two.

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with things like This happening to SQL Server 2019, is it any wonder we are at MS-Defcon 2

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woody

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Just been offered KB4023057. Installed but not showing in update history

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KB4023057 is Microsoft’s “upgrade you whether you like it or not” patch. Read what it does on your computer.
I believe you may find it (not by the KB name) in either the Settings App\Apps or in the Control Panel\Programs and Features.
I would recommend uninstalling it, then hiding it with wushowhide next time it shows up.

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KB4023057 is Microsoft’s “upgrade you whether you like it or not” patch. Read what it does on your computer.

What’s the “whether you like it or not” aspect?

I.E. What does it change or override?

(I searched but couldn’t find.)

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Apart from deleting files, compressing files, resetting network settings…it also ” it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.”
meaning : resetting your deferrals, blocks…

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Follow that link to the MS Support Page for KB4023057 and get the full picture.

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This was very helpful.  I found this unwanted update (kb4023057) in both Control Panel>Programs and Features and Settings>Apps.  I uninstalled it using Control Panel>Programs and Features and it also disappeared from Settings>Apps.

HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
Windows 10 Home Version 22H2
OS build 19045.3324
Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
-Version 2308(Build 16731.20170 C2R)

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Now showing under installed programs and installed without my knowledge today:

Microsoft Update Health Tools 9/30/2020 1.18MB 2.68.0.0

On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender

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[Tom-R]

Just wondering here; but are you able to uninstall it (the Microsoft Update Health Tools)?

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It says it’s uninstallable, but I’m going to leave it installed.

On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender

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This past Saturday I installed KB4576751, KB4574727 and KB4576484 without any problems. My OS Build is now Version 1909  18363.1082. Nothing on my computer was adversely effected.

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geekdom wrote:

Now showing under installed programs and installed without my knowledge today:

Microsoft Update Health Tools 9/30/2020 1.18MB 2.68.0.0

So Microsoft has stealthy installed KB4023057 ?
What are your updates settings ?

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[geekdom]

Update Settings:

• WUMgr
• Never click Check for Updates
• TargetReleaseVersion=1909
• Daily backups that include full image

On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender

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@geekdom:  I’m using WUMgr on my Win10Pro 1909 systems; but (at least so far) I haven’t seen any attempt by Windows Update to install MS Update Health Tools.  I’m curious as to what WUMgr options you have set.  I have these options selected on my systems:

• Block Access to WU Servers
• Disable Automatic Update
• Disable Update Facilitators
• Hide WU Settings Page
• Disable Store Auto Update

Additionally (for good measure) I also keep the WiFi connections set to Metered.  I’ve been keeping an eye on these systems; and, like I said, so far no Health Tools — or any other unwanted updates — has made its way onto any of these systems.  I’m curious if you’re settings are any different from mine.

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WUMgr Settings:

On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender

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Now I see why you got the Health Tools update pushed onto your system without warning.  Even though you’re using WUMgr you still have the Automatic Update option enabled.  I’m not that trusting, even with WUMgr.

I keep Automatic Update disabled at all times except for once a month when Woody gives the OK by dropping the DEFCON level down to at least 3 or 4.  At that point I’ll go and use WUMgr to manually check for updates; and then only select the ones that I explicitly want.  That way I never get surprised by an unexpected or unwanted update getting installed without my approval.

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[geekdom]

It’s good to know you’re safe.

Microsoft Update Health Tools remains a stealth patch.

P.S. I like testing.

On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender

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Windows 10 Version 2004 Problems

On my Windows Pro 64-bit OS PC, Windows Update installed Windows 10 Version 2004 Build 19041.508 replacing Version 1909. After several days of researching and trying various suggested workarounds, I gave up and rolled back to Version 1909. Then, in Edit Group Policy, I disabled Windows Update.

In each case below, I included a link where others are complaining about the same problem. As of September 30, 2020, I have not found anything that tells me that Microsoft has acknowledged these problems.

Outlook forgets passwords
I found complaints about this problem in the Feedback Hub and in answers.microsoft.com.
RE: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/outlook-not-saving-passwords-after-windows-10/23b8609c-ccc0-4cfe-9b0b-20fca17cf088
I tried removing all Outlook accounts and the Outlook Profile, created a new Profile (with a different name) and create all my email accounts. The credentials disappeared after the next restart.

File shares don’t work
I found complaints about this problem in the Feedback Hub and in docs.microsoft.com.
RE: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/65556/windows-10-version-2004-mapped-drive-issue.html
I have two NAS devices. I can PING the NAS devices but can’t map a drive to them. The Map Network Drive dialog can’t find the NAS device. For existing mapped drives, the password is requested. After entering the username and password, Windows is unable to find or connect to the NAS device.

BSOD when Performance tab in Task Manager is clicked
I found complaints about this problem in the Feedback Hub and in answers.microsoft.com.
RE: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/windows-10-version-2004-crashing-when-task-manager/30d3b0e7-f8f9-4f56-acda-794078a00454
Every time I click on the Performance tab in Task Manager, I get a System Service Stop exception BSOD.

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After much research, I believe the password amnesia issue in Windows Version 2004 Build 19041.508 with Outlook and file shares is caused by the same problem that causes this problem. More info in these posts.

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[geekdom]

geekdom wrote:

Update Settings:

• WUMgr
• Never click Check for Updates
• TargetReleaseVersion=1909
• Daily backups that include full image

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These settings doesn’t block quality updates.
The registry targetrelease.. blocks Feature upgrade.
Deferrals or GP setting ‘notify don’t download’ = 2 will block all updates.
WUMgr will hide updates which are pending it won’t hide future unknown updates.

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geekdom wrote:

It says it’s uninstallable, but I’m going to leave it installed.

KB…057 has uninstall switch.

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NOW KB4577063 CU for Win10 v2004 (build 19041.546) is available Oct. 1 after 10am pacific local time:
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4577063

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4577063/

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I am currently on Win 1909 on HP Laptop Home Edition.  Has anyone upgraded to Win 2004 without major problems?  I just installed the Sept updates without any issues.   How long will 2004 be offered for download via automatic update?  I use my computer for home use and nothing loaded onto it so no programs to interfere with it.

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Wait for Microsoft to send 2004 to you.

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Just did a plain vanilla update of a Windows Pro 1903 machine and got Microsoft Health Tools.

What are Microsoft Health Tools?

Do I need them?

Can I live without them?

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v1903 is EOL in December.
KB4023057 is Microsoft’s “upgrade you whether you like it or not” patch. Read what it does on your computer.

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Were does the ‘Microsoft Health Tools’ name come from ?

On my 1909 Pro KB4023057 is just called ‘Update to windows 10’.

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It does not install as KB4023057 in WU History or Installed Updates.
It installs as an app called Microsoft Update Health Tools

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PKCano wrote:

It does not install as KB4023057 in WU History or Installed Updates.
It installs as an app called Microsoft Update Health Tools

I don’t have ‘Microsoft Update Health Tools’.

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[Alex5723]

Just got kb4023057 for 1909 Pro with Sept. updates.
Installed as ‘Microsoft Health Tools’.

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I’m assuming many W10 newcomers have not read this Post
Is it still relevant in today’s terms through the many W10 changes since published?

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On a Pro version Woody says ; just don’t bother.

You may get hit with a stealthy installation of KB4023057, the “blast away to the next version” patch. If that patch goes in (check the Installed Updates list), don’t bother trying to uninstall it — just go back and make sure that all of your “feature update” (i.e., version change) blocks are still in effect.

For home users you can also disregard KB4023057 and update the registry with ‘TargetReleaseVersionInfo’

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That being the case, WHY do MSFT provide a method to remove the patch for ALL versions and editions of W10 up to 1909?

Update removal information

To uninstall this update, follow these steps:
1. Click Start and then type cmd.exe.
2. Right-click Command Prompt and then click Run as administrator.
3. In the Administrator: Command Prompt window, type one of the following commands as appropriate for your system:
For ARM-based systems: msiexec.exe /x {9C2C39FE-FDA8-4024-AE74-F06716B22D58}
For x64-based systems: msiexec.exe /x {32DC821E-4A7D-4878-BEE8-337FA153D7F2}
For x86-based systems: msiexec.exe /x {5F01BF33-E873-4B83-B2CC-E4DEF494073E}

source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4023057/update-reliability-for-windows-10-versions-1507-to-1909
Yes there’s HOME editions but other than that..

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don’t bother trying to uninstall it — just go back and make sure that all of your “feature update” (i.e., version change) blocks are still in effect.

I thought KB4023057 removes any blocks/settings you may have to prevent updates?  E.g.  I have my settings as recommended by this forum to prevent monthly and major updates until recommended to install.

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dmt_3904 wrote:

I thought KB4023057 removes any blocks/settings you may have to prevent updates?

I believe it is supposed to, but I inadvertently installed it yesterday only to find and remove it using appwiz.cpl today before I installed the September CU updates KB4574727, KB4576484 and the latest MSRT (KB890830).

Before uninstalling KB4023057 I did check my Group Policy settings, and nothing was changed from before it was installed. Still, I removed it easily and will definitely be keeping an eye on wushowhide to see if/when it will return.

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dmt_3904 wrote:

only to find and remove it using appwiz.cpl

It does change settings in case needed (according to MS). Mine hasn’t changed.
You can uninstall the update directly from Apps & Features page.

On my 1909 Pro I have both KB 4023057 (03-Apr-19 2.56.0.0) and Microsoft Update Health Tools (03-Oct-20 2.68.0.0)

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Alex5723 wrote:

You can uninstall the update directly from Apps & Features page. On my 1909 Pro I have both KB 4023057 (03-Apr-19 2.56.0.0) and Microsoft Update Health Tools (03-Oct-20 2.68.0.0)

Yes, that’s what I did 🙂

I uninstalled Microsoft Update Health Tools v2.68.0.0 which was a result of KB4023057 disappearing from hidden in wushowhide, which somehow escaped by notice before I attempted to install the updates. It wasn’t in the update cache, so I should have checked wushowhide before going ahead to see exactly what I was getting. I’ll just be more careful in future as apparently even a brief lapse in attention can get you things you don’t want.

From reading this thread I identified KB4023057 as MUHT in Control Panel/Programs and Features – appwiz.cpl is just the Run command to open it directly 🙂

Nothing I had changed in Group Policy was changed, so apparently no harm done.

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RE: BSOD Service Stop caused by clicking on the Performance tab in Task Manager.

I solved this problem by downloading the NVIDIA Experience app from NVIDIA.COM and letting it check for new drivers. It found and installed an updated driver. That fixed the problem.

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