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  • Why did Edge update while updates are paused?

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    Home Forums AskWoody support Windows Windows 10 Windows 10 version 1909 – November 2019 Update Why did Edge update while updates are paused?

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      • #2280984 Reply
        RiverRat42
        AskWoody Plus

        At first, I thought maybe 2004 had been installed, but nope; it’s still 1909. Then I checked my update settings and, sure enough, it still says paused until 7/20.

        I just logged in only to find that Edge has been replaced by the new chromium version and I can no longer acess my company’s accounting software to finish the proposal I’ve been working on all night. The Edge Beta is still installed, too. I would never install the new Edge on my day to day system until the other software gets updated.

        Shouldn’t that update have been impossible with updates paused? Should I send an email warning my colleagues before they wake up?

        Also, how do I get the version that works back short of restoring a backup, which of course is now out of date because that drive saw fit to die last week and the new one is due tomorrow, er, today. (Yay!)

      • #2280989 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Edge beta is Chredge (Chromium Edge), so maybe it just auto updated – as it’s meant to – and you now have it as the default browser.

        You should still be able to run Edge by wandering through the menus.

        cheers, Paul

        • #2281456 Reply
          RiverRat42
          AskWoody Plus

          The old Edge is gone. It is nowhere to be found in the menus or the file system as far as I can tell. This version says it is Edge 84.0.522.40 (Official build)(64-bit) and that it is Chromium. The beta version squeezes the word beta in that description (mine is at v84.0.522.39 and says it is up to date).

          I found something called MicrosoftEdgeUpdate.exe, dated 3/14/20, with several folders dated between July 11 and 17.

      • #2281022 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Edge updates do not come through Windows Update (which was Paused), it updates independently.

        • #2281458 Reply
          RiverRat42
          AskWoody Plus

          Where does one pause Edge updates then?

          • #2281482 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            I have not used/installed CrEdge, but IF there is a pause for CrEdge updates it is probably in the CrEdge settings in the App itself.

          • #2281514 Reply
            Elly
            AskWoody MVP

            There is no option to pause chromium Edge updates…

            You can, any time you navigate to ‘About Microsoft Edge’ (like to check version number) you will see that triggers a check for updates.

            So, you can’t see what version you are running without checking for updates…

            But, you can trigger a search for updates, without any intent on your part.

            There isn’t an option to roll back an update, either. You will update!

            Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

            • #2281781 Reply
              Coldheart9020
              AskWoody Lounger

              “So, you can’t see what version you are running without checking for updates…”

              A workaround of sorts is to open appwiz.cpl and then scroll down to Microsoft Edge. The version information given in the Version column is exactly the same as what’s given in ‘About Microsoft Edge’.

               

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      • #2281522 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Where does one pause Edge updates then?

        There is no pause and there shouldn’t be one.
        Browsers should update automatically to the latest secure version just as A/V / security apps do.
        You don’t leave the door to your PC open.
        If you don’t like ChrEdge you can uninstall and go back to IE11/old Edge.

        • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 6 days ago by Alex5723.
      • #2281526 Reply
        Elly
        AskWoody MVP

        If you don’t like ChrEdge you can uninstall and go back to IE11/old Edge.

        And you can always use a different, non-Microsoft browser, that asks if you want to update, and allows you the flexibility to choose when to do it.

        The only way I know to voice my opinion is to not use Microsoft products…

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

        • #2281554 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          The only way I know to voice my opinion is to not use Microsoft products…

          Help, Send feedback (or Alt+Shift+I) works in Edge.

          • #2281557 Reply
            Elly
            AskWoody MVP

            That option isn’t available unless one is using Edge in the first place.

            Microsoft has gotten loads of ‘feedback’, even from high profile folks, about end users desiring more control of their hardware and operating system for some years now… and their response is to eliminate end user choice?

            Microsoft’s behavior of co-opting the words like privacy and choices for marketing, while removing end user controls regarding any real choices, especially when introducing a new product, tells me all I need to know about how effective pressing that little ‘feedback’ option will be.

            The OP lost the ability to access the company’s accounting software to finish the proposal… and wanted to know what to do. They can continue within the Microsoft business model with forced updating that impairs getting actual work done (and who thinks something like this won’t happen again?) or shift to another product that will not force them to enduring repeated unfortunate events such as this.

            Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

            • #2281577 Reply
              joep517
              AskWoody MVP

              The auto-update behavior of Chromium Edge is not different than that of Chrome, FireFox, and Opera to name a few. They all install auto-update tasks that run without user intervention. Often the user does not know the browser has been updated. I do not recall being asked about updating any other browser I have tried. They just get updated.

              If the OP is using a work PC, then he should take it up with IT. At a minimum they could use GP to prevent or postpone the update. Also, he could try another browser such as FF unless legacy Edge is absolutely required. If he is using a personal PC for work, he should uninstall Chromium Edge. That will restore the legacy Edge.

              Microsoft deserves to be bashed about many things. They could have come up with a smoother way to get to the new browser and not impair/confuse legacy users with the same name for the new browser. BUT, I don’t think that the Chromium Edge update process is any different than what most of the industry is doing. It should not be conflated with privacy controls.

              Microsoft got bashed for many years for going their own way with browsers. Now, that they have adopted a de facto industry standard they are getting bashed because some people think they have lost control. The Chromium Edge is NOT part of the OS and will be updated on its own schedule independently of Windows.

              --Joe

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              • #2281654 Reply
                anonymous
                Guest

                joep517 wrote:
                The auto-update behavior of Chromium Edge is not different than that of Chrome, FireFox, and Opera to name a few. They all install auto-update tasks that run without user intervention. Often the user does not know the browser has been updated. I do not recall being asked about updating any other browser I have tried. They just get updated.

                Firefox actually does provide the following user-selectable update behavior radio buttons:

                Options > General >
                Allow Firefox to
                O Automatically install updates (recommended)
                O Check for updates but let you choose to install them

                That being said (and acknowledging that OP is currently dealing with an unfortunate browser-update issue – good luck RiverRat42), I basically agree with joep517, and Alex5723 above, and Google and Microsoft, and even Mozilla (which does allow user choice but recommends and defaults to auto-install of updates)… browser updates often contain important security fixes, so it is important for most regular/normal users to install browser updates when they are available.

                Hope this helps.

      • #2281530 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Uninstall Stable Edge
        https://pastebin.com/gnSutNH7

        or set the Allowsxs policy and wait until Stable Edge updates itself to new version
        more info
        https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-sysupdate-access-old-edge

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      • #2281559 Reply
        Carl D
        AskWoody Lounger

        I have Chredge (Chromium Edge) installed in Windows 10 2004 although I use Firefox most of the time.

        I updated the ‘standard’ Edge by downloading and running the update file from MS, I didn’t use Windows Update.

        This created 2 scheduled tasks and 3 services  for Chredge updates. I disabled and deleted the 2 scheduled tasks and disabled the 3 services and I temporarily re-enable the services when I want to check for Chredge updates  (Settings > About Microsoft Edge from the Chredge drop down options menu).

        As I posted in another thread last week, I noticed that the 2 scheduled tasks were recreated and the 3 services re-enabled for Chredge when I did the July updates for Windows 10 last week, it’ll probably happen every month.

        Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

      • #2281660 Reply
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        There is no pause and there shouldn’t be one.

        Huh? This HORRIBLE Chredge is the FIRST AND ONLY browser I have ever had, on various Windows OSes, since Windows 98 that won’t let ME control when I update it. I used the old Microsoft Edge on 1809 rarely and it wasn’t a bad browser and it did NOT ignore Windows Blinds and other important things like this Chredge JUNK does. But I would NEVER EVER use Google’s Chrome browser as I block all Google, Facebook and Twitter on my computers and always have. Privacy is extremely important to me. I do have Vivaldi which is a Chromium based browser and I use it some and it has a ton of settings which I can configure. I also have Brave which is configurable but I don’t like it. My default browser, since its inception is Basilisk, and I love it to death. It is HIGHLY configurable. I’ve always been a Fx person and NEVER trusted Google for anything including Search. I also use Fx 60.9 ESR which is ok but not nearly as good as Fx 52.x ESR was. I am extremely disappointed in Microsoft for producing this horrible browser.

        I see that installing the ADMX templates for configuring Chredge update and other settings are a waste of time as they won’t work on Chredge if one is NOT on a domain. So, bye-bye Chredge and, in the future, I will continue to block Microsoft from forcing Chredge on me through my Registry setting. This may complicate installing 1909 using WU so I may need to install 1909 from an iso download of it instead whie OFF line. (Wish I had known this before I did a lot of work to remove all the blocks I had on WU (I still prefer to update security patches, .NET, etc myself by visiting the Microsoft catalog). Control of my computer and everything running on it is of utmost importance to me and Chredge (with me not on a domain) will not allow that…so bye Chredge. And good riddance.

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        • #2281661 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Microsoft has a Blocker Toolkit for ChrEdge

          Any browser, no matter which one you use, should update automatically in the background without any notifications. I don’t trust a browser that doesn’t do so and will never use one.

          • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 6 days ago by Alex5723.
          • #2281716 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Any browser, no matter which one you use, should update automatically in the background without any notifications.

            However, that behavior is completely unacceptable when it interrupts or eliminates (in the original poster’s (OP’s) case) business-critical work flow or work product. That’s why many folks prefer being able to choose when to install an update. In the business world, it allows one to finish their work completely or pause their work in a safe and salvageable manner before proceeding with the software update.

            That scenario aside, yes, auto updates without being able to stop them while occurring in the background is preferable in today’s computing environment, given the daily risks one would be taking otherwise.

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      • #2281819 Reply
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        That scenario aside, yes, auto updates without being able to stop them while occurring in the background is preferable in today’s computing environment, given the daily risks one would be taking otherwise.

        What “daily risks”? I did not grow up using computers and knew nothing about them. I spent a year before I got my first computer in my mid-fifties taking classes to learn about them. I have never gotten a virus from my first Windows 98 computer on and back when everyone seemed to screw up their computers so badly, frequently, that they had to keep reinstalling Windows (or helplessly carry it frequently to a computer shop) I never had to do that and found Windows 98SE an extremely STABLE OS for five years. With XP Pro, I had virtual machines that I NEVER used an anti virus program on and never got infected and that was because I LEARNED, and never stopped, in regards to computers and safe hex. During XP Pro days, I tried a variety of antivirus programs, settled on Avira (would never use it today after they sold out), and posted a lot in their help forum. But there were several years when I had NO resident antivirus program yet I never got infected. My older computer runs Windows 8.0 Pro. I never upgraded when it was my primary computer to 8.1 Pro. There were things about 8.1 that made it undesirable to me.

        You get my drift so I won’t go on. I firmly believe that everyone should take computers seriously and should be required to demonstrate proper knowledge before being allowed to buy one. If one is not willing to be a RESPONSIBLE computer user then I think you should use library computers when needed. I have nothing against browser makers making their DEFAULT browser as protected as possible against the behavior of irresponsible folks who have computers. However, they should ALWAYS make their browsers with the ability for “power” users to configure them as they want them and browser makers should never get caught up in the insanity that dictates the uglier and less usable a browser the better.

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      • #2281853 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        be required to demonstrate proper knowledge before being allowed to buy one.

        We don’t do that for anything else so it’s not going to happen with computers.

        And deciding who is a “power user” is impossible, so the safest method – and the one Microsoft use – is to update everyone automatically.

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2281966 Reply
          wavy
          AskWoody Plus

          We do have to hope we do not become powerless users, that is were we seem to be heading in windows. 🙁

          🍻

          Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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