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    PUBLIC DEFENDER By Brian Livingston Microsoft’s Bing search engine has a small but growing market share — chipping away at Google’s 90% dominance worl
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    • #2496026

      Agreed.  Bing is non-entity for me.  It’s been quite some time since I used it.  However, Bing sometimes has updated 3-D/streetview maps where Google hasn’t updated theirs, so worht a check if you run into old photos.

      While on the subject of Microsoft, why does Edge have such an awful spellchecker?   Even relatively simple misspelled words throw it for a loop, producing nonsensical recommendations.

      • #2496027

        While on the subject of Microsoft, why does Edge have such an awful spellchecker? Even relatively simple misspelled words throw it for a loop, producing nonsensical recommendations.

        I’d be interested in examples.

        Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

        • #2496152

          I haven’t been saving them but when I get some I will post them for you.  Meanwhile, you can experiment yourself, if you are so motivated.

        • #2496578

          Here’s one example from earlier today:

          Or a stuid person (I misspelled word “stupid”)

          Thi is what Edge spellchecker offered:

          staid
          squid
          studio

          How could it miss the obvious “stupid”?  This is just one example of many that I encounter regularly in Edge.

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          • #2496698

            Stupid is the first suggestion for me, using the recommended setting:

            Stuid-spellcheck

            Edge-editor

            Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

          • #2496705

            @ibe98765 perhaps Edge does not compute ‘stupid’ or it may become self-aware /s

            error…replace user

            🙂

            Stupid is the first suggestion for me,

            shouldn’t put yourself down like that, smile god loves you!

            No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT- AE
      • #2496239

        OpenStreetMap has very interesting details, and, of course, very little identification of places of business like Google or Bing Maps.  Railroad lines.  Power lines.  Hiking trails.  Very accurate depictions of highways.  Accurate placement of houses with street numbers.  Well, that’s in my neighborhood. Looks pretty good for other countries with which I am familiar.

    • #2496033

      If you take 1B Windows PCs 90% running Google search and add 5B Android + iOS devices all running Google search, you realize that Bing isn’t worth mentioning at all in any article.

      • #2496041

        My Android uses Bing, never Google.

        Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

        • #2496083

          My Android uses Bing, never Google.

          My Android uses Firefox and DuckDuckGo, never Google nor Bing.

          Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
          We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

      • #2496089

        My sister uses Bing on her ipad.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2496098

      Well golly gee. That’s why I banned Bing 20 years ago.

      In fact, I also tried to ban IE (including it’s current iteration called “Edge.”) Unfortunately, they keep showing up every time I follow a “more info” suggestion at MS.

       

      • #2496100

        In fact, I also tried to ban IE (including it’s current iteration called “Edge.”) Unfortunately, they keep showing up every time I follow a “more info” suggestion at MS.

        Internet Explorer and Edge were baked into your operating system and integrated with it. It’s unlikely that you will ever be able to completely remove either of them.

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    • #2496101

      Although I normally use StartPage (which streams Google results), there are times when it’s useful to not rely exclusively on that (or any search engine).  I’ve found that Bing sometimes turns up results that Google (or StartPage) doesn’t.

      To me, one of the frustrating things about getting Microsoft information is what comes from answers.microsoft.com.  It seems that the majority of content there comes from Microsoft volunteers that simply recite textbook answers (including lots of text wasted on empathetic remarks), where at best, the response doesn’t answer the question (including ignoring specific details put in the original query), and too often, provide entirely irrelevant information.  Plus, questions that don’t get any response at all, or no response to follow-ups that complain about non-answer responses.

      To this end, I like the Firefox extension uBlacklist which allows me to exclude all results for answers.microsoft.com from results streams.

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        To me, one of the frustrating things about getting Microsoft information is what comes from answers.microsoft.com.  It seems that the majority of content there comes from Microsoft volunteers that simply recite textbook answers (including lots of text wasted on empathetic remarks), where at best, the response doesn’t answer the question (including ignoring specific details put in the original query), and too often, provide entirely irrelevant information.  Plus, questions that don’t get any response at all, or no response to follow-ups that complain about non-answer responses.

        To this end, I like the Firefox extension uBlacklist which allows me to exclude all results for answers.microsoft.com from results streams.

        Agreed. I’ve also excluded answers.microsoft.com for quite a few years from most searches about Microsoft issues (by using “site:microsoft.com site:answers.microsoft.com) as the responses there are useless more often than not for the reasons you outline.

        Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

    • #2496102

      In my occasional foray into Bing searches, I get lots of ads and references to Microsoft’s own and sometimes deficient problem-solving web pages.  Bing has such an inbred bias towards Microsoft itself that it is effectively useless for tech problem solving, which I do regularly.  Microsoft also needs to face up to the inadequacy of its own web sites’ content for problem solving for Windows and its other products.

      I have often found a Google search to be more effective to find what I want on a website than the website’s own built-in search.

      The usefulness of Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo or any other search engine depends on what you are looking for.

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      • #2496105

        The usefulness of Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo or any other search engine depends on what you are looking for.

        … and how you look for it. The search criteria matter greatly.

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        • #2496234

          To a point, I agree. One needs to have a good idea of what to search for.

          Maybe it’s because I’ve gotten familiar with how Google search works?  Nope.  Too easy.  I put the search criteria into Google search and it finds what I want.  Or maybe I have to do a second search with different criteria?  And I rarely do any kind of sophisticated Google searches.  Just a bunch of words.  That’s about how difficult Google search is for me.

          Bing? Maybe something useful after all the stinking ads.

           

          • #2496416

            I’ve found if I ask the “right” question, the search reveals answers in the range. Sometimes the “right” question is nothing more than rearranging the order of my search terms.

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    • #2496134

      My sister uses Bing on her ipad.

      That’s part of the miserable and neglectable 3% search market share.

    • #2496138

      use none of the above suggested ‘search engines’ and can still find what I need.
      This article on private search engines may be of use to folks out there.

      No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT- AE
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