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      • #1979058 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I’m scratching my head. As @mn- notes, the Oct. 3 Win7 Monthly Rollup — remember, that’s the official “out of band” patch, the third in a series of I
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      • #1979126 Reply
        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        I haven’t been offered it yet this month, although it replaced the original rollup last month before disappearing when the original rollup was reinstated – neither being installed in my case.

        What’s also back in my Important Updates today is KB4474419, after being offered, withdrawn, and reinstated last month and missing from this month’s initial offerings a couple of days ago.

        MSRT is also back this month having taken leave of absence last month.

        As to the whys and wherefores of all this – as with everything MS touches these days, who knows? It’s all beyond comprehension – and then they ask why we aren’t installing it all!

        Clearly, however, this is one month when holding back on the updates doesn’t just make sense, it should be seen as compulsory outside of a test environment!

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      • #1979135 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        My Win7 is patch through Sept 2019-09 SQMR KB4516065 (Patch Tues).
        I did not install the OOB patches (I think KB4524157 was offered checked?).

        Currently I am being offered 2019-10 SQMR KB4519976.
        If I hide KB4519976, I am not offered KB4524157, nor does it show up in the optional updates..
        Perhaps the reissue was to change the metadata so it is no longer checked important.

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        • #1979136 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          What’s the possibility that the metadata change is so KB4519976 HAS to be installed (and not hidden) before receiving KB4524157? After all this is what MS want..

          Win8.1 Pro | Linux Hybrids | Win7 Pro O/L | WinXP O/L
          • #1979140 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Installing an older patch after one that supercedes it doesn’t make sense.

            Screen-Shot-2019-10-12-at-4.46.22-AM

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        • #1979182 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I installed KB4519976  2019-10 Rollup on Win7 (on a test VM).
          I was not offered OOB KB4524157 before or after the install, either checked or unchecked.
          The computer now reports Up-to-date. (SSU KB4516655 had been installed with Sept updates)
          I did observe a second restart during the install.

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      • #1979147 Reply
        fernlady
        AskWoody Lounger

        I restored KB4519976 and KB4524157. Both came back in, KB4519976 was checked, KB4524157 came in unchecked and dated October 3rd. Both are hidden again.

        Windows 7 Home Premium x64 AMD Group A Realtek PCLe GBE Family Controller

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      • #1979164 Reply
        mulletback
        AskWoody Plus

        On my test box, I keep getting offered KB4519976, but it always fails to install, including offline manual install. Perhaps this is a feature, not a bug. I haven’t touched KB4524157. Yes, I’m up to date with SHA-2 and SSU.

      • #1979165 Reply
        Lars220
        AskWoody Lounger

        I am not currently seeing Win7 KB4524157, only the 2019-10 SMQR and MSRT Malicious Software Removal Tool, but I have an Optional Unchecked Security Update for .NET that is recommended. I am getting tired of the continuous confusion. Thank You for sorting this circus mess out for us non professionals !

        2019-10-Win7-Updates

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        • #1979253 Reply
          Speccy
          AskWoody Lounger

          Lars220,
          Please check the STABLE BETA TEST (Win7) section at my previous post: I’ve corrected it to clarify that KB4515854 (4.6.2) is actually installed by the KB4524102 update package… Sorry, my bad.
          Thank you! 🙂

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          • #1979748 Reply
            Lars220
            AskWoody Lounger

            Thank you  Speccy  for your excellent post with multiple pictures. I was confused about the “Optional Security” aspect of the .NET Recommended Update (for my Win 7) in checking the link for KB4524102 at the Microsoft website I find:  “This update is included in the Security and Quality Rollup that’s dated October 8, 2019. Parts of this update were previously released in the Security and Quality Rollup on September 24, 2019.”  So I am thinking (guessing) that because I have not yet installed the October 2019-10 Win 7 updates, parts were already installed with the September 2019-09 and  >  MAYBE  <  that is why mine shows as ‘Optional’. Anyway, I am not going to worry about it, and just  WAIT  as usual for Woody DEFCON 3 or better.  Thanks Woody and PKCano for sorting things out, and Speccy, and all MVP’s.

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      • #1979300 Reply
        dgreen
        AskWoody Lounger

        My Win7 is patch through Sept 2019-09 SQMR KB4516065 (Patch Tues).
        I did not install the OOB patches (I think KB4524157 was offered checked?).

        Currently I am being offered 2019-10 SQMR KB4519976.
        If I hide KB4519976, I am not offered KB4524157, nor does it show up in the optional updates..
        Perhaps the reissue was to change the metadata so it is no longer checked important.

        PKCano
        Like you, I installed the Sept. rollup KB4516065
        and the .net rollup KB4514602
        I hid KB4524157 (out of band) and
        KB4516655 (service stack)

        I just did a windows update check and I am being offered for October
        KB4519976 (roll up)
        KB4524102 (.net roll up)
        MSRT (October)

        Checked my hidden updates
        KB4524157 is GONE
        KB4516655 (service stack) is still there (which I will install once MS-defcon is 3 or higher.
        and of note,
        all my MSRT from the past, that I had hidden, are gone.

        My question is,
        will the October rollup have the Sept out of band fix in it?
        Although, I am not having any issues whatsoever.

        Dell Inspiron 660 (new hard drive installed and Windows 7 reloaded Nov. 2017)
        Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP 1 GROUP A
        Processor: Intel i3-3240 (ivy bridge 3rd generation)
        chipset Intel (R) 7 series/C216
        chipset family SATA AHCI Controller -1 E02
        NIC Realtek PCLE GBE Family Controller
        MSE antivirus (has new name now)
        Chrome browser
        DSL via ethernet (landline)

        • #1979302 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          will the October rollup have the Sept out of band fix in it?

          Yes, updates are cumulative.

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          • #1979489 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Win 8.1 user here that’s been out of the loop.

            So the (KB4520005) rollup that was released on Patch Tuesday supersedes the out of band KB4524156 rollup that was released October Third?

            • #1979514 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              According to MS documentation. YES.

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              • #1979644 Reply
                anonymous
                Guest

                Thank You PK. I’m very glad I don’t have to install two security rollups when woody moves us to Defcon 3 or 4.

      • #1979437 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Catalog metadata change does not necessary mean it would be reflected in WU metadata

        they might just forgot to include some replaced update in the chain, and corrected that

      • #1979741 Reply
        Sinclair
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m scratching my head. As @mn- notes, the Oct. 3 Win7 Monthly Rollup — remember, that’s the official “out of band” patch, the third in a series of I
        [See the full post at: Why was the Oct. 3 Win7 Monthly Rollup, KB 4524157, re-released?]

        On the Windows Support page for KB 4524157 there is an extra note under the IMPORTANT section that says:

        Note This update does not replace the upcoming October 2019 monthly update, which is scheduled to release on October 8, 2019.

        So KB 4519976 does not cumulatively contain the fix offered by KB 4524157. KB 4519976 does not superseed KB 4524157. At least that is how I read that.

        W7 x64 Pro&Home

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        • #1979752 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          So KB 4519976 does not cumulatively contain the fix offered by KB4524157. KB4519976 does not superseed KB4519976. At least that is how I read that.

          That’s NOT what it said.
          KB4524157 does not replace KB 4519976 means that the update released on 10/3 would not be in lieu of (instead of) the update released on Patch Tuesday. As a matter of fact, KB4519976 replaces/supercedes  KB 4524157.

          Please see #1979140 above for information from MS.

          • #1979754 Reply
            Sinclair
            AskWoody Lounger

            Both patch notes point at each other. They say the exact opposite. Both are MS documents. Woody asked why KB 4524157 was re-released this is the best I can come up with. Maybe Microsoft has no clue either?

            W7 x64 Pro&Home

            • #1979768 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              This is the support page for KB4519976.
              Please show me where it mentions KB4524157.
              This is what I’m basing my statement that KB4519976 replaces KB4524157 on:
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              • #1979784 Reply
                Sinclair
                Guest

                It does not mention KB4524157 I agree fully. But the support page for KB4524157 says:

                This update does not replace the upcoming October 2019 monthly update, which is scheduled to release on October 8, 2019.

                Note I am not saying your wrong just that it is confusing in the way Microsoft has added the note. It does not help that there is no mention of a KB number. They just say monthly update. If you then take Woody’s question and try to find an explanation then at least to me it made some sense. Since this is the only thing that hinted at it.

              • #1979788 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                This update does not replace the upcoming October 2019 monthly update, which is scheduled to release on October 8, 2019.

                To me, this says that KB4524157 is not the early release of the Patch Tuesday Rollup. That the Patch Tuesday Rollup (a different update) will be released at the regulat time and separate from (not replaced by) KB4524157. They couldn’t state the Patch Tuesday KB number in the KB4524157 documentation because it had not been issued yet.

                KB4524157 was released as a checked important update to be pushed in WU/WSUS. My guess is that it was rereleased to change the metadata so that it was no longer pushed and would not be automatically installed through WU/WSUS.

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        • #1980352 Reply
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Latest Monthly Rollup (with higher revision), whether Security or Preview, replace all previous Rollups

          simple as that
          you don’t need any documentation to confirm or state that

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