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     CADesertRat 2 years, 2 months ago.

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    • #508327 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      I’m finally going to join the modern world and install a Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB SSD in my win 7 Pro computer.
      My question is related to the Diskeeper ver. 12 that I currently have on my computer. It has always worked fine for my SATA III HDD’s but I noticed that it claims to work well with SSD’s also using Intellifast and trim with the SSD.
      This statement is just one of a couple that a Condusive Rep made in a thread from 2012 at https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/diskeeper-12.2291362/ :

      Regardless of the type of storage you’re using, if you use Windows there will still be underlying issues.

      Here’s a blog post I wrote recently on Windows 8 that explains why Diskeeper is still necessary – http://www.condusiv.com/blog/post/2012/10/29/Windows-8-Released.aspx

      SSDs are fast, but they are not instantaneous. The Windows NTFS file system does not behave any differently because the underlying storage is a SSD verses a HDD and therefore performance issues still occur. You’re right though Tsavo – a SSD needs to be handled differently then a HDD when it comes to performance optimization. Our HyperFast technology is specially designed for SSDs and includes TRIM to safely speed up application data response time and improve the overall lifespan of the SSD.

      -Alex
      Social Media Manager
      Condusiv Technologies

      I’m pondering whether to just leave the Diskeeper 12 when I clone the HDD to the SSD and I thought that I would run it by everyone here for opinions.
      I realize that Win 7 has TRIM capabilities.
      Thanks for any thoughts

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does ๐Ÿ™‚
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1592719 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      I have run W7/8/10 on SSDs and not found any “performance issues”, quite the opposite, they make an ordinary machine into a rocket. I would dump Diskeeper.
      Make sure you confirm TRIM is working on W7.
      And “how to upgrade” in case you are unsure.

      cheers, Paul

    • #1592813 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      I got in a hurry and cloned to the SSD with the Diskeeper 12 on it ( totally forgot ).
      I did check TRIM with the fsutil query and it shows TRIM is enabled ( results = 0 ).
      I was shocked at how fast Win 7 booted, although programs/software don’t seem much faster at running. My Windows Experience Rating ( Performance ) went from 5.9 to 7.7.
      Any more advice??

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does ๐Ÿ™‚
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1592820 Reply

      satrow
      AskWoody MVP

      Fsutil only reports on whether Trim is enabled in the OS, it doesn’t verify that it’s actually Active. Trim can still be blocked and inactive, for instance, by a ‘bad’ chipset or SATA driver.

      I use Hard Disk Sentinel to check this, Paul’s preference (see the link in #2) is for Trimcheck.

      I found a good summary of Trim checking a few days ago: http://superuser.com/questions/74896/confirming-that-windows-7-is-using-ssd-optimizations/1088697#1088697

    • #1592827 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      One thing mentioned in that article from superuser is that defrag is turned off if TRIM is working and evidently mine is. I can’t even find it listed in the start menu or control panel and when I use search for defrag.exe and click on it, I received one message that another program has a “Custom” control of the defrag settings ( or something to that effect ). Another time all I got was a split second cmd screen that flashed.
      My Windows Experience Rating took a big jump from 5.9 to 7.7 so something certainly changed with the SSD installation.
      I looked at the Trimcheck link and I didn’t see any place to download it.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does ๐Ÿ™‚
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1592829 Reply

      Coochin
      AskWoody_MVP
    • #1592832 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      Ok, I ran Trimcheck, here are the results because I don’t know what it means:
      TRIM check v0.7 – Written by Vladimir Panteleev
      https://github.com/CyberShadow/trimcheck

      USAGE: Place this program file on the same drive
      you’d like to test TRIM on, and run it.

      Press Enter to test drive C:…

      Querying C: disk space and sector size information…
      C: has 512 bytes per sector, and 8 sectors per cluster.
      102367467 out of 125000703 clusters are free.
      Generating random target data block (16384 bytes)…
      First 16 bytes: 1C 16 0E B6 85 BF B1 E2 7E 01 05 7C 58 DF 7F A9…
      Creating C:UsersXXXDownloadstrimcheck.bin…
      Querying file final paths…
      DOS : \?C:UsersXXXDownloadstrimcheck.bin
      GUID : \?Volume{bc5090f4-9643-11e2-8efd-806e6f6e6963}UsersXXXDownloadstr
      imcheck.bin
      NT : DeviceHarddiskVolume3UsersXXXDownloadstrimcheck.bin
      NONE : UsersXXXDownloadstrimcheck.bin
      Writing padding (33554432 bytes)…
      Writing data (16384 bytes)…
      Writing padding (33554432 bytes)…
      Flushing file…
      Checking file size…
      Data is located at Virtual Cluster Numbers 8192-8195 within file.
      Querying file physical location…
      trimcheck.bin has 4 extents:
      Extent 0: Virtual clusters 0-1168 are located at LCN 21574839
      Extent 1: Virtual clusters 1169-3675 are located at LCN 63246320
      Extent 2: Virtual clusters 3676-6250 are located at LCN 20823611
      Extent 3: Virtual clusters 6251-17854 are located at LCN 24663948
      (this is the extent containing our data)
      Closing file.
      Saving continuation data to C:UsersXXXDownloadstrimcheck-cont.json…
      Flushing buffers on \.C:…
      Opening \.C:…
      Flushing buffers…
      Deleting file…
      Flushing buffers on \.C:…
      Opening \.C:…
      Flushing buffers…

      Test file created and deleted, and continuation data saved.
      Do what needs to be done to activate the SSD’s TRIM functionality,
      and run this program again.
      Usually, you just need to wait a bit (around 20 seconds).
      Sometimes, a reboot is necessary.

      Press Enter to exit…

      Also it left a file in the downloads folder from where I ran it and I can’t open it:
      46876-Trimcheck-files

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      • #1592835 Reply

        Coochin
        AskWoody_MVP

        Also it left a file in the downloads folder from where I ran it and I can’t open it

        You should be able to open that “trimcheck-cont.json” file by right-clicking it and choosing “Open With”. Choose Internet Explorer (or whatever browser you use), or even Notepad.

        .json files are usually generated by JavaScript programs/scripts (don’t confuse JavaScript with Java – they are quite different animals).

    • #1592833 Reply

      mledman
      AskWoody Plus

      Lumpy95,

      You need to run trimcheck-0.7.exe a second time to see the results.

      Mark

    • #1592839 Reply

      satrow
      AskWoody MVP

      Or install and run the trial version of Hard Disk Sentinel.

    • #1592856 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      I ran it again this morning and it appears to be working:
      TRIM check v0.7 – Written by Vladimir Panteleev
      https://github.com/CyberShadow/trimcheck

      Loading continuation data from C:UsersXXXDownloadstrimcheck-cont.json…
      Drive path : \.C:
      Offset : 101031481344
      Random data : 1C 16 0E B6 85 BF B1 E2 7E 01 05 7C 58 DF 7F A9…

      Reading raw volume data…
      Opening \.C:…
      Seeking to position 101031481344…
      Reading 16384 bytes…
      First 16 bytes: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
      Data is empty (filled with 0x00 bytes).

      CONCLUSION: TRIM appears to be WORKING!

      Press Enter to exit…

      Since I ran it again the .json file is gone

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does ๐Ÿ™‚
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1592857 Reply

      satrow
      AskWoody MVP

      7.7 is a little low for the best SSDs on recent hardware, what’s the rest of the PC hardware specs?

    • #1592859 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      Actually the total was 7.7 but it looks like the SSD is 7.9 which is at the Index’s highest point.
      46880-WEI

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does ๐Ÿ™‚
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    • #1592860 Reply

      satrow
      AskWoody MVP

      Yes, that’s what I’d expected, to hit 7.9 on the CPU score requires somewhere close to 4Ghz, my Ivy Xeon 3.3/3.7 hits 7.7 like your CPU.

    • #1592863 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      So at this point, it looks like I am good to go with the SSD upgrade?
      I installed Samsung’s “Magician” software and it already upgraded the firmware yesterday to the current firmware. I had read that in the past there was a glitch in a previous firmware update but this one seemed to go smoothly.
      It has a “Rapid Mode” but I haven’t activated that yet.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does ๐Ÿ™‚
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1592865 Reply

      satrow
      AskWoody MVP

      I don’t use Magician except for firmware and initial speed checks, maybe the clone process. Rapid Mode is a waste of space, imo. Keep the system clean, the fewer auto loading drivers/utilities you have, the less chance there will be of getting odd issues like freezing/crashing, etc. down the line.

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