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    • #232712 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I bet you couldn’t wait. Hey, there’s one born every minute. Details coming in Computerworld.
      [See the full post at: Win10 1809 is officially re-released]

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    • #232734 Reply

      Lars220
      AskWoody Lounger

      Chris Hoffman at How-To Geek has a good article out today about 1809 release:

      https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10%E2%80%99s-october-update-returns-promises-not-to-delete-your-files/

      follow the links to the official Microsoft blogs for some serious head-shaking reading.

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    • #232745 Reply

      JCCWsusser
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hey, there’s one born every minute.

      A new version of Windows? I know, right?! Or a new patch for it? That, too!

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    • #232752 Reply

      BobbyB
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well 1809’s been in the repair shop for over a Month, would be great to have a breakdown of what they did and what they fixed.
      If you car was in the shop for a Month would you not query the Bill before you pay the Mechanic and drive away? After all for many folks and Business’s alike this is going to be a “Daily Driver” soon enough.

    • #232761 Reply

      PKCano
      AskWoody MVP

      Note:
      If you install KB4467708 Win10 1809 Build 17763.134 using other than Windows Update, you will need Servicing Stack Update KB4465646.The SSU fixes the Bitlocker Device Encryption vulnerability.

      If you are using Windows Update, the SSU will be offered automatically.

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    • #232766 Reply

      anonymous

      Soooo do we stay away from windows update if 1809 is in checking for updates if we press check for updates (even though we’ve hid this month’s patch updates for now til we get a green lit and when it’s green lit will we be safe when installing the safe updates?)

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      • #232771 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        Soooo do we stay away from windows update

        If you run wushowhide and the Feature Update to 1809 is NOT there, OR if it is there and you hide it.
        AND you hide any updates in wushowhide you don’t want to install.
        THEN you clear the Windows Update queue and verify there are only updates you want to install left..
        THEN the only updates in whshowhide are for your current version.
        It is probably safe to go to Windows Update and install the updates for your current version.

        BUT Never Never click on “Check for updates,” particularly if you are on Home edition.

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        • #232784 Reply

          woody
          Da Boss

          … and even though Microsoft promises really, for sure, they aren’t going to use the “seeker” excuse to zap unsuspecting customers.

          How doth the little crocodile….

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        • #233632 Reply

          Tom-R
          AskWoody Lounger

          PK, this is in reply to your advice:

          It is probably safe to go to Windows Update and install the updates for your current version. BUT Never Never click on “Check for updates,” particularly if you are on Home edition.

          Please forgive me if this is a newbie question here; but how can I get and install updates from Windows Update without clicking on the “Check for updates” link?   I’m using wushowhide to select the updates that I want to get.  But nothing’s getting installed.  The Windows Update page shows a status of “missing important security and quality updates.”  But it doesn’t attempt to download and install anything.  It just tells me to select the “Check for updates” button to “get going”.

          This seems confusing to me.  How can I download any updates if I don’t click the “Check for updates” button?

    • #232786 Reply

      anonymous

      I wonder what changes they made? The new UK English x64 ISO is almost 300MB bigger than the one that was pulled.

      Win10_1809_EnglishInternational_x64.iso: 4.46 GB (4,796,909,568 bytes)
      Win10_1809Oct_EnglishInternational_x64.iso: 4.72 GB (5,073,770,496 bytes)

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      • #232798 Reply

        RetiredGeek
        AskWoody MVP

        <snark on>

        Most likely changes to the License Agreement further absolving them from any responsibility for the shoddy software.

        <snark off>

        May the Forces of good computing be with you!

        RG

        PowerShell & VBA Rule!
        Computer Specs

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    • #232790 Reply

      anonymous

      Weird, out of the blue without any decent explanation or even a sorry.

    • #232796 Reply

      UKBrianC
      AskWoody Lounger

      I have started to knit something for Michael Fortin.

      I feel so guilty… I didn’t realise that we had caused them such problems and additional work. Join me in our shame….

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      LH, Elly
    • #232805 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Lounger

      “Are you installing 1809?”

      “I’m not installing 1809!”

      “Hey, let’s get Mikey! (Fortin).

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    • #232825 Reply

      warrenrumak
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well 1809’s been in the repair shop for over a Month, would be great to have a breakdown of what they did and what they fixed. If you car was in the shop for a Month would you not query the Bill before you pay the Mechanic and drive away? After all for many folks and Business’s alike this is going to be a “Daily Driver” soon enough.

      They published a list of fixes in the usual place.

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4464455

      • #232932 Reply

        BobbyB
        AskWoody Lounger

        @warrenrumak Oh yeah lol I perused the “sweetness and light” almost self congratulatory pages from M$ before posting. Still just wondering what was 1809 doing for over a month? Had it running for well over a month here in a VHD and apart from todays clutch of updates and the initial ones, I must confess to not seeing much change even reading the in depth list of Bug Fix’s it seems strangely light and of course the updates themselves. The first round fixed a little ongoing network issue approx. 1709 onwards that each version requires ever more remedial action no doubt due to Realtek/M$ driver incompatibilities. Nothing really major to report save the last two weeks Win10 1809×64 VHD has developed an irritating lock up req. (no updates or major changes done) Hard reboot 1 or 2 times per session. Been around that one since I recall 1607 thru to, now, 1809 excluding 1709, hence clinging to 1709 for grim Death, 1803 is extremely sporadic good enough to deploy. Its occurred on a few machines, rectified normally by disabling “Fast Boot” and the Link State Power setting, and not verifiable science here but seems not to bother Win10 installed on an SSD, in fact HP Machines seem to be free since some were fitted with SSD’s don’t know how that works? So I do apologise for my somewhat terse comment but I would have loved greater detail about just what they claim to have done, its almost like a real Garage where they Wheel the Wreck out back and look busy when the owner comes to check on the progress of the repairs. Surely they wouldn’t have left 1809 on the shelf gathering dust for a month, and just re-release it with minor changes would they?? 😉

    • #232833 Reply

      fk5353
      AskWoody Lounger

      FYI – mapped drives don’t currently work correctly in W10 1809. this could be a deal-breaker for some people currently using legacy applications. It stopped our testing dead in its tracks since we rely on several custom systems which still require mapped drives. None of the MS proposed solutions give warm and fuzzy feelings.

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4471218/mapped-network-drives-don-t-work-in-windows-10-version-1809

      Forewarned is forearmed!

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      • #232937 Reply

        anonymous

        Confirmed on my 1809 testbed here. The mapped drives never reconnect on startup and have to be manually opened.

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    • #232845 Reply

      NetDef
      AskWoody Lounger

      Is there anyone else out there that runs AutoCAD and/or Revit shops that has tested 1809 yet?

      I’m seeing some seriously nasty things with video (current drivers) and acceleration in the ’18 and ’19 versions in our test bed.  Thinking we might be passing on this feature update entirely and stick with 1803 for the next year.

      Toolbar windows that leave ghosts behind when moved.

      Sudden dark screens in the drawings (but the application menu UI stays intact.)

      Odd flickering randomly.

      I don’t remember past feature updates inducing these problems before.

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      • #233025 Reply

        warrenrumak
        AskWoody Lounger

        I work at Autodesk, I looked around our internal systems a bit to see if this issue has been reported already, but I’m not seeing it. Mind you, I’m not on the AutoCAD or support teams so I may not be looking in all the right places. 😊

        There was a similar issue about a year ago though.
        https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Toolbars-leave-a-trail-while-being-dragged-in-AutoCAD-on-Windows-10-machines.html

        Even if you don’t intend on using 1809 on your systems anytime soon, it’d be great if you could file a bug report.

        Also, I know it’s a silly question but are your graphics cards on the certified hardware list?
        https://knowledge.autodesk.com/certified-graphics-hardware
        If not, they might not have tested with your card / driver combo.

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        • #233567 Reply

          NetDef
          AskWoody Lounger

          Looks like NVidia was at fault on our Win10 1809 upgrade tests.  Newest drivers released TODAY seemed to have fixed the issues regarding video ghosting on Revit 2018 and 2019 and AutoCAD 2019. (We’re not going to test older versions of AutoCAD, but we will likely continue older Revit testing back to v2016.)

          Our test systems are running Quadro P4000 cards.
          The NVidia drivers embedded in 1809 are not recommended.

          Using (ODE Release) R410 U4 (411.95) WHQL Release Date: 2018.11.15 drivers fixed the issues.

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          • #233653 Reply

            radosuaf
            AskWoody Lounger

            Makes you wonder what happens when your hardware will be “out of support” (what happens earlier and earlier these days)… Hardware replacement?

            MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 1803 64-bit
            • #233711 Reply

              NetDef
              AskWoody Lounger

              Makes you wonder what happens when your hardware will be “out of support” (what happens earlier and earlier these days)… Hardware replacement?

               

              Having seen this scenario over the years (W2000, XP, Vista, etc) it’s a mixed bag.  On the one hand clients hate spending money.  And it’s hard to justify replacing something that’s working just fine for it’s intended purpose just because you can’t get software updates anymore.

              On the other hand the very first comment I almost always hear when they get the new hardware is “ooooohhh shiny faster why didn’t I do this sooner?”

               

              😉

               

    • #232848 Reply

      Carl D
      AskWoody Lounger

      Been running Windows 10 Home 1809 for over a month now with no issues (I was one of the “lucky” ones who downloaded the ISO at the beginning of October before it was pulled).

      Windows Updates are locked down with Windows Update Blocker for the time being.

      Not much to get excited about compared with 1803, looks like the only thing added to 1809 is some weird graphics program called Snip & Sketch – and I haven’t bothered playing with it up until now.

      I’m in a dual boot with Windows 7 (7 installed first) so if anything goes wrong with 10 I can easily jump back into the relative safety of 7.

      • #233583 Reply

        ch100
        AskWoody MVP

        I think so far the gold standard for Windows 10 is 1607 (fully patched) and also 1703 (fully patched) was a good or very good release.
        The attraction for using 1809 should be that it has a server release and an Enterprise LTSC release so it is likely that this release will get a lot more attention, similar to 1607. 1607 was very poor at the time of release but got fixed in September 2016, 3 months after the RTM if I remember well.
        I used 1709 and 1803, but looking back, they were more or less poor releases with many problems, not so visible to the casual users though.
        1803 was slightly better than 1709, but still poor.

    • #232855 Reply

      JohnW
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well I jumped on the 1803 download last night, so I could get it through updates before 1809 dropped.  The update went well without issues, so I am now in group 1803 for the next 6 months!  🙂

    • #232878 Reply

      Cee Arr
      AskWoody Lounger

      Poor Michael Fortin.  It was MS who produced Windows 10 not us poor suffering paying customers.  Your words, which I’m sure you meant as a reason, sounded more like an excuse.  In my more than seven decades on this planet I have come to the conclusion that internal problems within an organisation have more to do with (poor) management than with the workers.  Everyone knows what always floats to the top.  Mr Fortin don’t tell us what you have done or are doing – SHOW us a workable secure operating system.  If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

    • #232873 Reply

      anonymous

      If you don’t install the latest and greatest Windows 10 (1809), you’ll miss the following features:

      Services:
      Prefetch has been renamed to SysMain. Yeah, Prefetch sounds so Windows XP…

      Device Manager:
      Selecting ‘Show hidden devices’ from the View menu no longer expands nodes containing hidden devices. Search them yourself…

      Event Viewer:

      The following errors are logged on each start:
      The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
      Windows.SecurityCenter.SecurityAppBroker and APPID Unavailable to the user NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM SID (S-1-5-18)…

      The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
      Windows.SecurityCenter.WscBrokerManager and APPID Unavailable to the user NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM SID (S-1-5-18)…

      The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
      Windows.SecurityCenter.WscDataProtection and APPID Unavailable to the user NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM SID (S-1-5-18)…

      No workaround available for above errors (not fixed in current previews of the upcoming Windows 10 (2019 H1) either).

      The following warnings are frequently logged during runtime:
      Profile notification of event Load for component {B31118B2-1F49-48E5-B6F5-BC21CAEC56FB} failed. Errorcode: See Tracelogging for error details.
      Profile notification of event Unload for component {B31118B2-1F49-48E5-B6F5-BC21CAEC56FB} failed. Errorcode: See Tracelogging for error details.

      A workaround for above warnings (caused by incomplete removal of the tile object service) has been posted at https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/50a24520-2ea6-47e7-995b-c2de46d2401d/user-profile-service-event-1534. This issue is not fixed in current previews of the upcoming Windows 10 (2019 H1) either.

      There are certainly more new and disturbing features you’ll miss if you skip Windows 10 1809…

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    • #233065 Reply

      anonymous

      I’m looking for server.

      So, at Volume Licensing Service Center I have option to download:

      a) Windows Server (Datacenter Core/Standard Core) Version 1809 64 Bit English
      ISO 3083 MB  SW_DVD9_Win_Server_STD_CORE_1809_64Bit_English_DC_STD_MLF_X21-96563.ISO

      b) Windows Server 2019 (Standard Core/Datacenter Core) 64 Bit English
      ISO 4618 MB SW_DVD9_Win_Server_STD_CORE_2019_64Bit_English_DC_STD_MLF_X21-96581.ISO

      So, WHAT?
      I’m so confused,

      Edit to remove HTML

    • #233072 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Lounger

      A question on the mapped drives issue. I’m assuming this affects network drives mapped directly from Windows itself and does not affect users in AD which run a script at login to map network drives. Correct?

      And once you remap the drives are they not re-connecting after a reboot and you have to reconnect after each reboot?

      Thanks

    • #233110 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP

      Site from which to download the media creation tool to download an ISO for Windows 10:

      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

      Possibly because of server overload, it won’t move off 0% for me. Anyone know a more direct ISO download URL?

      -Noel

      • #233114 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Lounger

        MCT just downloaded in two seconds for me using Edge on Windows 10 version 1809, so I don’t think it’s a site issue.

        Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant "Toxic drinker"

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        • #233270 Reply

          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody MVP

          MCT downloaded just fine. It’s the ISO image that won’t start downloading. I left it all day and it stayed at 0%. I’ve had it happen with prior versions as well, then it would work.

          Whatever’s wrong with just publishing a link from which to get the ISO file?

          -Noel

          • #233272 Reply

            b
            AskWoody Lounger

            MCT downloaded the ISO in 10 minutes for me. Could it be from a site on your blocklists?

            Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant "Toxic drinker"

            • #233292 Reply

              Noel Carboni
              AskWoody MVP

              Good idea, and thanks for the thought, but no… I already tried temporarily allowing the various sites it wants to contact (including several I’d rather not have allowed), but the download simply would not continue. I suspect something about the settings I have are blocking it. Coincidentally this Windows installation also hasn’t been able to find any Windows Updates by itself for almost the full 6 months since I’ve been running v1803. That’s okay; it’s been updating from the catalog under my control just fine.

              There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with Microsoft refusing to publish a direct link to their ISO file, but instead requiring running a mysterious downloader that not only tries to contact a bunch of online sites it has no business talking to but also won’t give even the slightest hint at why it stalls. If I didn’t know better I’d say Microsoft is acting like a malware author.

              It’s no worry; I have the .iso file now. Downloaded with all the blacklist blocks fully in place.

              -Noel

      • #233115 Reply

        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-iso-download-tool

        | W10 Pro x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 | Linux x64 Hybrids | XP Pro O/L
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    • #233132 Reply

      AlexEiffel
      AskWoody MVP

      According to Ed Bott, “seekers” is the Microsoft term for advanced users who go out of their way to install a new Windows version.

      Could I just want to check if I am patched up to date for security right after I upgrade to 1709 (yes, 1709) without having 1809 shoveled down my throat because I became a seeker? How a normal user that chose to delay feature upgrades using the GUI on a Pro version will simply check its patched status for the version they are running if they become a seeker doing that? There is a huge difference between those who want to check that they are fully patched and those who check to signal their wish to have the latest feature update installed. AI is not going to tell you that, Microsoft. You still need someone to think, there.

      When I went from 1607 to 1703, it said my system was up to date for a few days while I was looking for updates, although I wasn’t at all. I kept checking for updates and was puzzled to see that my system was up to date when I didn’t the latest cumulative updates installed. So, to me, it was a simple way to verify my patching status.

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      • #233139 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Lounger

        If you’ve deferred feature updates then you are not a seeker, so check for updates is safe.

        But you won’t be able to defer 1803 beyond April 30, 2019 or 1809 beyond November 13, 2019.

        Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant "Toxic drinker"

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    • #233643 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP

      I must say, I really do like the dark themed File Explorer. It’s not quite perfect yet but there are some workarounds and it’s still easier on the eyes than when displayed with the white background.

      DarkThemedFileExplorer

      As you might be able to gather from the fact that I have 116 processes running to support just a few applications on the desktop, this version is the most bloated yet. I’ll be trimming 25 or so of those out shortly.

      -Noel

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      • #233647 Reply

        ch100
        AskWoody MVP

        Some people on the internet would say that the Dark Theme is great in concept but does not work for them.
        I haven’t tried, but is it still the case that it does not work?
        Based on your post, it seems to be usable at the very least.

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