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    • #2013298 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      The numbers for November are out, and that mass exodus of Win7 users abandoning ship hasn’t yet occurred. According to Netmarketshare, Win10 usage sha
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    • #2013313 Reply

      sheldon
      AskWoody Plus

      Wonder how many of the WIN7 machines are ATMs?

      • #2013366 Reply

        anonymous

        They’ll get extended Windows 7 security patches until 2023 and will not clog up the ATM with Candy Crush and other unneeded bloat.

    • #2013323 Reply

      anonymous

      Considering that a lot of the websites I visit think I’m a google bot,
      it’s an easy way to get rid of the accept this cookies rubbish.
      I wonder how accurate these numbers ever are.

      Windows 7 for now, too linux soon.

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      • #2013461 Reply

        lurks about
        AskWoody Lounger

        As absolute numbers they are probably taken with a large margin of error, larger than what is reported. If using them as trends, somewhat useful indicates that W7 is still relatively popular even though W10 has been out for about 5 years now. This implies a serious problem for MS as a high percentage of the W7 installs will be in use after the expiration date.

    • #2013346 Reply

      pHROZEN gHOST
      AskWoody Lounger

      This is just the calm before the storm.

      Software vendors will drop support for Windows 7 and 8 with their products. Some have already done so. People relying on these packages will have to move over if they wish to get future updates with fixes and enhancements. Others will continue to trudge on with the old software.

      Are there any diehards out there still using Windows 3.1?

      Byte me!

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      • #2013364 Reply

        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Software vendors will drop support for Windows 7 and 8 with their products

        Not at least for the next 5 years.
        The majority of Win7 users are in Enterprise.

        • #2013374 Reply

          jabeattyauditor
          AskWoody Lounger

          The majority of Win7 users are in Enterprise.

          Do you have insight you can share to support this statement?

          I’d have guessed the opposite would be true – that most Enterprise licensees are more “sold out” on the Microsoft model, making them more likely to move to Windows 10.

          • #2013388 Reply

            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            I’d have guessed the opposite would be true

            If that would have been true Microsoft wouldn’t have offered 3 years Win7 extended support..

          • #2013418 Reply

            anonymous

            Do you know how much it costs an enterprise for vetting/certification of their, often times custom/bespoke, mission critical software for a new OS/OS version. That’s hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars for medium to large enterprises and that’s why so many enterprises stayed on XP before updating to 7. And has been the same reason for them for them not updating from 7 to 8/8.1 and 7 to 10. Companies like to get a full 10 years of use out of their expensive vetting/certification of mission critical software for any new OS/OS version costs, if possible.

            So there are some big institutional(Government/Others) and enterprise customers that took their time and according to their limited budgets converting from Windows XP to Windows 7. And their bean counters unwilling to approve any movement($$$$) towards vetting/certifying  for Windows 7. And once they did make the switch to 7, well 7 was already approaching it’s end of mainstream support. So they will, like they did for XP’s extended support, choose the lesser costs of purchasing Windows 7 extended support until 2023 while they take their time vetting and certifying their expensive mission critical software for Windows 10. There is only so much money in the quarterly budget for that process for most companies so that’s why they want to get at least 10 years per OS cycle if possible. And Windows 10 is such a moving target for vetting and certification that MS has had its Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) builds of Windows 10 Point-of-Sale/Enterprise to make that process easier. But you know all those programmers, consultants, and system software engineers hours do not come for free and extended Windows 7 security updates purchased from MS are not that costly in comparison.

            Mission critical software is just as the name states and without that software vetted/certified on any new OS/OS version to remain working at as close to 100% up-time as possible the business can not function.

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            • #2013456 Reply

              jabeattyauditor
              AskWoody Lounger

              Do you know how much it costs an enterprise for vetting/certification of their, often times custom/bespoke, mission critical software for a new OS/OS version.

              Yes.

      • #2013370 Reply

        anonymous

        Not likely considering that around 28% of Windows users are still on 7 and Enterprise/Volume Licensing customers have the option of purchasing extended Windows 7 security updates until 2023.

        Those third party software providers are not in business to exclude anyone with 7 or 8.1 until 2023 when there will be mostly no options but 10 or Linux. I’d even say Apple/MacOS may have some chances what with some Macbooks on sale for less than an iPad Pro.

        MacOS has its issues but at least its not such a moving target for changes compared to Windows 10, and changes that break things and cause lost productivity as well.

        I’d even say that Windows 8.1 may see a mini renaissance if, after 7 goes EOL, MS tries any more closing off and limiting ending more end user control over their PCs/Laptops OS functionality. Retail Windows 8.1 OEM licenses/product keys  are still  available and in plentiful supply what with 8.1’s adoption rate so small compared to 7 and 10. So consumers have the option of purchasing 8.1 Pro licenses at $33-$35 and security updates until 2023.

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        • #2013547 Reply

          warrenrumak
          AskWoody Plus

          Not likely considering that around 28% of Windows users are still on 7 and Enterprise/Volume Licensing customers have the option of purchasing extended Windows 7 security updates until 2023.

          Those third party software providers are not in business to exclude anyone with 7 or 8.1 until 2023 when there will be mostly no options but 10 or Linux. I’d even say Apple/MacOS may have some chances what with some Macbooks on sale for less than an iPad Pro.

          MacOS has its issues but at least its not such a moving target for changes compared to Windows 10, and changes that break things and cause lost productivity as well.

          I’d even say that Windows 8.1 may see a mini renaissance if, after 7 goes EOL, MS tries any more closing off and limiting ending more end user control over their PCs/Laptops OS functionality. Retail Windows 8.1 OEM licenses/product keys  are still  available and in plentiful supply what with 8.1’s adoption rate so small compared to 7 and 10. So consumers have the option of purchasing 8.1 Pro licenses at $33-$35 and security updates until 2023.

          macOS is not at all a safe harbour for people who want long-term stability out of their operating system.  Where in the world could you have gotten that rotten idea?  They literally just banned all 32-bit applications from working, with about two years of notice.  And when Mojave came out last year, they banned its use from all pre-mid-2012 Macs.

          Apple also only provides about three years of security updates.  macOS Sierra came out September 20, 2016.  The final security update for Sierra (Supplemental Update 2019-005) was issued on September 26, 2019.  About 20% of all Macs are still running Sierra or older!!

           

    • #2013412 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Plus

      It seems a shame to me that Win 8.1 suffers from such apparent lack of popularity.  It’s a very good OS and cleans up very well.  People are probably still thinking of it as Win 8.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

    • #2013488 Reply

      pHROZEN gHOST
      AskWoody Lounger

      Software vendors will drop support for Windows 7 and 8 with their products

      Not at least for the next 5 years.
      The majority of Win7 users are in Enterprise.

      It’s already happening.

      Byte me!

    • #2013489 Reply

      pHROZEN gHOST
      AskWoody Lounger

      From the comments, it looks like there are going to be some very surprised individuals in the next couple of years.

      I don’t have to quote sources. There are already software companies dropping support for their product on Windows 7. In 2 years a lot can change with technology, with software and with the Internet. Let me know how well your enterprise is doing 2 years from now with Windows 7 support on mission critical packages you use. And, good luck.

      Byte me!

    • #2013542 Reply

      sheldon
      AskWoody Plus

      Adobe’s Lightroom 9

      Operating system Microsoft Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (64-bit) or Windows 10

      Not supported on Windows 8.1, Windows 10 versions 1511, 1703, 1709, and 1803.

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