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      • #152868 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        UPDATES: See my Computerworld Woody on Windows article.

        I saw the first heads up here on AskWoody, from @jwhiz56. He says: This KB installed on my MS Surface Pro 3, my HP HPDV8T laptop but refuses to install

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      • #152877 Reply
        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        LOL xD – as Windows 10 target audience says…

        MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 2004 64-bit
      • #152878 Reply
        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Has anybody encounter[ed] the problem?

        On the version you recommend no one should have installed? Who are you asking?

        • #152883 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Because it’s yet another reason why people should avoid 1709.

          (And, in spite of myself, I feel empathy for people who let 1703 upgrade them to 1709.)

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        • #152948 Reply
          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody_MVP

          I imagine Woody is asking the many, many folks who might not have full control over their computers and have been pushed by Microsoft into upgrading to v1709 before it’s good enough to be their operating system.

          This whole thing is kind of reminiscent of when Microsoft moved from booting into DOS then starting Windows to a system that boots directly into Windows – and for how many years there were gotchas where people could get into “you can’t get there from here” situations.

          Except this time we’ve already seen them do better in the past.

          -Noel

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        • #152982 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          b said;
          On the version you recommend no one should have installed? Who are you asking?

          Woody are probably asking those Win 10 users who had been “digitally-assulted” by M$ with forced auto-updates and upgrades.

          Edited for content

      • #152880 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Spent 5 hours yesterday, including a support session with a Microsoft tech trying to install the kb4054517. Ultimately, I was able to hide the update (hoping it never comes back) and move on. Quality Assurance (QA) at Microsoft is as dismal as Apple’s these days.

         

      • #152884 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Just got this tweet from @ComradeArthur:

        “Has anybody encounter the problem? ” YES I’ve given up on fixing it. I’d settle for simply blocking further attempts by Windows10UpdateAssistant. But I can’t get the darn thing off my computer. It tries to update 2 or 3 times a day! do you know how to BLOCK it?

        • #152991 Reply
          ky41083
          AskWoody Lounger

          Probably need to clear out the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder, after blocking the update.

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          • #153331 Reply
            ArtKi
            AskWoody Lounger

            That’s a good idea.  I did it.

            Meanwhile, another update attempt seems to have slipped in while my back was turned and it will try and do something useless and possibly harmful the next time I reboot.

            ———

            Had another idea on how to block it.


            Delete the files from the Windows10Upgrade directory
            Leave directory in place
            Go to PROPERTIES, SECURITY for that folder and take away Administrator’s write privilege

            Haven’t done it because windows is making me think I can’t reverse that.
            And I’m not sure what’ll happen with Win10update tries to write in that directory.
            Will it hang my PC?  Will it try to create the file over and over again causing a mess?

            • #153337 Reply
              MrBrian
              AskWoody_MVP

              Your post reminded me of this post of mine.

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              • #153350 Reply
                ArtKi
                AskWoody Lounger

                Ok!
                I just did that thing (DENY to mr. SYSTEM on WRITE) and we’ll see how it works.

                The failed attempts at updating haven’t been bothering me so much as the feeling that, eventually, they’ll screw things up in a serious way and brick my PC.

              • #153400 Reply
                ArtKi
                AskWoody Lounger

                OMG Win10 is so persistent. It’s like a terminator.

                I put DENY on everything for that folder for SYSTEM … and it still tried to do the update.

                Then I tried this.

                I make a 0 length text file in that directory. (after deleting all other files)
                Renamed it to “Windows10UpgraderApp.exe”
                set every imaginable permission for that file to DENY for every user.

                A few minutes ago Win10 threw up a whiny little error message saying it didn’t have permission to overwrite that file.

                Success!

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              • #153404 Reply
                woody
                Da Boss
      • #152891 Reply
        samak
        AskWoody Plus

        I love my W7 more and more…

        W7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit, Office 2010, Group B, non-techie

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        • #152918 Reply
          MrJimPhelps
          AskWoody_MVP

          I love Linux Mint more and more.

          Group "L" (Linux Mint)
          with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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        • #152919 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I love my Macs more and more!

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        • #152949 Reply
          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody_MVP

          I love my Win 8.1 pretty much the same. However, I can stand Windows 10 and Microsoft’s policy shifts less and less.

          -Noel

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          • #154561 Reply
            WildBill
            AskWoody Plus

            Ditto, Neil. Dependability in an OS is important to me. The only thing dependable about Windows 10… is that it Isn’t. My long-term loyalty to Microsoft is waning & if that doesn’t change in 5+ years… I may actually buy a Chromebook!

            Windows 8.1, 64-bit, back in Group A... & leaning toward Windows 10 V2004. As long as it's a Lot Less Buggy!
            Wild Bill Rides Again...

        • #152973 Reply
          radosuaf
          AskWoody Lounger

          I don’t love my Windows. That’s what MS is trying to achieve with Windows 10. It’s just an operating system – it’s supposed to work and nothing more. I may have loved “Bioshock” when I first played it, but I’m now not even 100% sure if I ran it on W7 or W8.1.

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      • #152899 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        I have successfully updated 2 Win10 Pro 1703 and 1 Win10 Pro 1709 with no glitches. No upgrades were forced on the 1703s. No updates were downloaded/installed without my approval.

        1703s (KB4053580 CU, KB4053577 IE Flash, KB2267602 Defender, KB890830 MSRT)
        1709S (KB4054517 CU, KB4053577 IE Flash, KB4058043 MS Store, KB890830 MSRT)

        My Settings are:
        1703 CBB (which is ignored), 1709 SAC
        Defer feature updates 365 days
        Defer quality updates 0 days
        In Group Policy Admin Templates\Windows components\Delivery Optimization = 99 Simple (simple download, no peering, HTTP, no DO)
        In Group Policy Admin Templates\Windows components\Windows Updates ConfigureAutoUpdates is Enabled = 2 (ask download/install)

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        • #152906 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Any guess why KB 4054517 would refuse to install?

          Sure has me puzzled….

          • #152907 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Perhaps the Anti=virus. I’m using TrendMicro (paid) and Bitdefender Free with no problems. But some of the other brands are not so kind.

            The major other problem that I’ve seen most of in the past is the Graphics component (not video drivers) – but there doesn’t seem to be error codes or as many BSODs this time.

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          • #153033 Reply
            johnf
            AskWoody Lounger

            Woody, has anyone reported a difference between systems that were “Clean Installs” (full format/install of W10) vs systems upgraded from Windows 7/8.1 to W10 for some of these update issues?

      • #152904 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Yep, “failed installation”  seems to be the word.

      • #152912 Reply
        Carl D
        AskWoody Lounger

        I still can’t work out why so many people continue to put up with Windows 10? Apart from the MS fanboys I’ve seen on various forums (who seem to reach a state of rapture every time a new insider build is released – and, at the same time appear to suffer withdrawal symptoms when a new build isn’t released almost daily) I can’t understand why anyone would want to continue to punish themselves with this perpetual beta (alpha??) operating system?

        Honestly, you would think after all the telemetry that MS has collected from the millions of unpaid beta testers over the past several years that W10 would be the best/most secure Windows version yet (how many times have we heard that one over the years?).

        Meanwhile, back here in Windows 7 land, it is (mostly) all clear skies and smooth sailing – no forced updates which seem to break things more often than not these days, no ads (hint to MS – the amount of acceptable ads in a paid for operating system is ZERO), no new version every 6 months which usually involves a complete clean install of W10,  etc., etc.

        I like to use my computer for getting things done, even if it is just playing games – not spend half the day trying to fix MS’s mistakes.

        Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

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        • #152962 Reply
          zero2dash
          AskWoody Lounger

          Most of your grievances are solved by tweaking it and setting both branch readiness and deferral of feature and quality updates. Once controlled that way, 10 is easily the best version of Windows you can run. As for the telemetry, if you tweak that, you transmit no more data than any version before it. You can’t run 7 or 8.1 forever… the clock is ticking, after all.

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          • #152963 Reply
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            I don’t believe “branch readiness and deferral of feature and quality updates” is available in all versions though, sadly.

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            • #153015 Reply
              zero2dash
              AskWoody Lounger

              You can make the changes via registry in Win10 Home.
              It doesn’t seem to respect the branch readiness setting (as I’ve still been offered the 1709 upgrade), but wushowhide fixes that.
              Otherwise, quality updates don’t install for the specified time which is fine by me…I have that set to 30 days, which puts it in the window of when the DEFCON improves.

          • #152974 Reply
            radosuaf
            AskWoody Lounger

            You can’t run 7 or 8.1 forever… the clock is ticking, after all.

            +5 years (for W8.1) is pretty d**n long in IT by any standards… And, while you can easily run W8.1 on your current setup until 2023 safely (there will be no changes that would make your hardware obsolete), you can’t be sure that Windows 1803, 1809 or any later version will simply refuse to install on your system. Hence – while you’re safe to say that W8.1 you can run for the next +5 years, it’s not safe to say that any hardware will run W10 1803 – and that’ll be in 4 months.

            It’s been 2 years and I haven’t come across any DX12 exclusive game I’d want to play. There are no other obvious reasons to jump in this pond. And quite a few against.

            MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 2004 64-bit
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            • #153020 Reply
              zero2dash
              AskWoody Lounger

              The DX12 exclusivity means nothing to me (though I am a gamer with over 1K games in my Steam library, and at least 50% of my home PC use is for games). They dropped the ball with that and I doubt they’ll ever get the DX12 support they hoped for.

              IMHO one of the most meaningful reasons to run 10 is multitasking with multiple monitors. If that’s not you, by all means, don’t run it.

              8.1 is (in hindsight) a decent OS. 8 was a disaster, but 8.1 fixed a lot of the problems. I actually don’t mind the Start screen anymore, as I’ve grown accustomed to making my way around it.
              The thing that irritates me the most about 8/8.1 is the Charms menu and the Settings – obviously, this has been exacerbated in 10, where they’ve continued taking stuff out of Control Panel and putting it in Settings.

              • #153074 Reply
                radosuaf
                AskWoody Lounger

                IMHO one of the most meaningful reasons to run 10 is multitasking with multiple monitors.

                That’s not me :). But I have Win 10 1607 + Excel 2016 on a T460s and getting it stuck completely is not at all a problem…

                MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 2004 64-bit
          • #152984 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            zero2dash said;
            Most of your grievances are solved by tweaking it and setting both branch readiness and deferral of feature and quality updates. Once controlled that way, 10 is easily the best version of Windows you can run. As for the telemetry, if you tweak that, you transmit no more data than any version before it.

            That’s only postponing the problem. You can only defer cumulative updates for about 7 days maximum. M$ have begun to not respect users’ deferral of feature updates for Win 10 1709. For Win 10 Home 1709, you can no longer stop Windows Update through the Registry setting.

            You are never in full control of Win 10, eg M$ often delete your 3rd-party programs, files/folders and settings during a feature update.

            Win 7/8.1 users have the option to not install Telemetry updates, eg KB2952664, and the monthly Rollups. Ask Noel Carboni about how he stopped nearly all Telemetry & Data collection by M$ in Win 7/8.1.

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            • #153016 Reply
              zero2dash
              AskWoody Lounger

              That’s only postponing the problem. You can only defer cumulative updates for about 7 days maximum. M$ have begun to not respect users’ deferral of feature updates for Win 10 1709. For Win 10 Home 1709, you can no longer stop Windows Update through the Registry setting.

              I’m not running 1709 so anything changed in 1709 is not something I have visibility to (yet).
              You can defer feature updates for 365 days and quality updates for 30 days. So far, both deferrals have been followed/respected on the systems I’ve set them on.

              You are never in full control of Win 10, eg M$ often delete your 3rd-party programs, files/folders and settings during a feature update.

              I know this has happened to other people, but it hasn’t happened to me.
              Too many worms in that can to point the finger one way or another.

              Win 7/8.1 users have the option to not install Telemetry updates, eg KB2952664, and the monthly Rollups. Ask Noel Carboni about how he stopped nearly all Telemetry & Data collection by M$ in Win 7/8.1.

              Yes, I know this very well.
              You still transmit the same amount of telemetry (opting out of CEIP) in 10 that you do in earlier versions of Windows; this has since been proven repeatedly by MrBrian, abbodi, and others.
              As for Noel – he runs a tight ship, he blocks things in his router. Most people are not going to be that fanatical about it. I have a college degree in Network System Administration and enough Cisco iOS expertise to be dangerous, but I’m not blocking MS IP’s in my router at home because I find no reason to do so.

              10 is not perfect, but like I said and I’ll stick to my previous point – 10 is the best version of Windows released, from a usability and multitasking standpoint. The additions to Explorer (that were not in 8.1, sorry) make 10 even better especially for users with multi monitors. You can restrict its ability to upgrade or update, same as you can with 7 and 8.1 (you just have to do it differently). My other point still stands as well…you can’t run 7 forever, nor can you run 8.1 forever. Yes, you have time; I’m not disputing that you do. I’m saying – it has an expiration date. I was still running 7 up until a few weeks ago at home, and I was not planning on switching back to 10 again. After using it every day at work (where it is even further neutered behind SCCM), I clean installed 10 1703 at home again and I’m fine with it.

              • #153036 Reply
                Seff
                AskWoody Plus

                When you say “10 is the best version of Windows released, from a usability and multitasking standpoint” you are making a subjective opinion sound as if it were a factual statement – which it is not, it’s just your own personal experience.

                While I am happy to keep all options open until January 2020, on the present state of Windows 10 and given the nature of my gaming preferences, the future beyond that date is beginning to look like a possible extension of time by upgrading from 7 to 8.1 unless it becomes feasible to continue with 7 beyond January 2020 – which may well be the case either because MS bow to the inevitable and extend its life or else because an unsupported 7 proves to be more reliable than a supported 10, with other ways of providing protection. No non-Windows OS is likely to meet my requirements.

                However, there is plenty of time still to go, and in any event at my age I tend not to plan too far ahead!

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        • #153003 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          I like to use my computer for getting things done, even if it is just playing games – not spend half the day trying to fix MS’s mistakes.

          That brings me back bad old memories of

          //wasted night

          repeat{

          install Win95 (bunch of floppies, more_than_1_hour);

          } until (win95 >= stable_enough);

           

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        • #153007 Reply
          MrJimPhelps
          AskWoody_MVP

          Meanwhile, back here in Windows 7 land, it is (mostly) all clear skies and smooth sailing – no forced updates which seem to break things more often than not these days, no ads (hint to MS – the amount of acceptable ads in a paid for operating system is ZERO), no new version every 6 months which usually involves a complete clean install of W10, etc., etc.

          I agree with you on this.

          By the way, have you thought about what you’re going to do when January 2020 arrives?

          Group "L" (Linux Mint)
          with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
          • #153043 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            One word of warning: BUY A SPARE PRINTER, compatible with Win7, BEFORE Win7’s end-of-life date.  After that, the printer manufacturer will be forbidden by MS to supply the Win7 driver for the printer (because some required component is actually an MS file).

            I have experience of this: shortly after Win98’s end-of-life, I bought a (USB interface) HP inkjet which the merchant advertised as “Win98-compatible”.  (I also needed a parallel port interface, to use it with MS-DOS 5 and 6 for plain text, but that’s another story).  Inside the box, to my dismay, was a flier saying “HP can’t supply the Win98 driver any longer, MS says NO”.

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          • #153104 Reply
            Carl D
            AskWoody Lounger

            Meanwhile, back here in Windows 7 land, it is (mostly) all clear skies and smooth sailing – no forced updates which seem to break things more often than not these days, no ads (hint to MS – the amount of acceptable ads in a paid for operating system is ZERO), no new version every 6 months which usually involves a complete clean install of W10, etc., etc.

            I agree with you on this. By the way, have you thought about what you’re going to do when January 2020 arrives?

            Jim, I plan on using a dual boot of Windows 7 offline and Linux (Mint probably) online after January 2020. Assuming my present motherboard, etc. is still working by then.

            If I have to get a new setup that won’t let you run Windows 7 (I’m using W7 on Kaby Lake at the moment despite MS’s attempt to block updates earlier this year – I got around that quite easily) I will probably “bite the bullet” and install Windows 10. But, I will keep W10 offline and use Linux online.

            Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

      • #152920 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        For what it’s worth:
        I have Win10 system Home version 1709 I got to help troubleshoot my wife’s computer. I
        turned it on to update the anit-virus (Norton) and it proceeded to upload and attempt to install

        KB4054517 – Cumulative Win 10 Update
        KB4058043 – Win10 Update
        KB890830 – MSRT
        KB4053577 – Adobe Flash Update

        The KB4054517 – Cumulative Update Installed successfully and requested a restart, the other
        three all “Failed Installation”. When I restarted the computer for KB4054517, the three
        updates that failed immediately (as soon as the desktop appeared so I could check) installed
        themselves successfully.

        Gene

        Edit to correct Win10 version

        • #152927 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Fixed it 🙂

        • #153079 Reply
          krzemien
          AskWoody Lounger

          For what it’s worth, the same here on my HP Omen Win10 x64 FCU (1709):

          KB4054517 – Cumulative Win 10 Update
          KB890830 – MSRT
          KB4053577 – Adobe Flash Update

          All deployed okay on Tue 13/12.

          KB4058043 – Win10 Update

          Added on Sat 16/12.

      • #152936 Reply
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        This may not be the best place for  the following, but here goes anyway…

        Today I was doing maintenance on a relative’s Windows 10 computer, when the Java Updater popped up announcing the availability of the newest version of Java. I clicked on it, and when the Java installer came up, Windows 10 launched a big window warning me that “this app did not come from the Windows Store”, and did I want to proceed anyway?

        Note that this wasn’t a traditional UAC prompt. Rather, it was specifically warning against installing something that wasn’t from their store. I had never before seen this kind of attempt to herd users into the walled garden of MS. The course Windows is being taken on  is coming increasingly into focus.

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        • #152939 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Somewhere in the settings there is a check box that says “install from anywhere.” Probably under the apps and features setting. Maybe someone changed the default.

          Oh, and turn off Smart Screen Filter on the desktop.

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      • #152942 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Loving my 1703 with all my heart. 🙂 I will only install 1709 when Microsoft gets it’s act together to fix up it’s issues including making sure it’s updates install right than being refused and to ensure nobody loses wifi connection as well.

        • #153023 Reply
          zero2dash
          AskWoody Lounger

          Same.
          1703 has been rock solid.
          The whole fiasco reminds me a lot of Vista pre and post SP1.
          (Or 8 to 8.1.)

          • #153066 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            @ zero2dash

            Yes, but Win 10 1703 will be dead like a rock in about 10 month’s time.

            Win 10 1511 had also been rock solid during the latter part of its life.

            • #153095 Reply
              zero2dash
              AskWoody Lounger

              Not really worried about it – 1703 will have support until 9/2018.
              By then we’ll be fresh on the heels of the 1809 upgrade, and either 1709 or 1803 will surely be “good enough” to run by that time. I’m not running Prod on “bleeding edge” like MS thinks I should, but I’m not afraid to upgrade (once a build hits CBB/SAC). So far, that practice hasn’t caused any issues.

      • #152947 Reply
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        The basic problem here is that the update can get to 99% then fail, revert, and there is NO WAY TO KNOW why. Not even if you dig with the geekiest intentions into the event logs and such files as CBS.log and other system files.

        I’ve had both 1703 and 1709 get into this mode.

        Perhaps this will push Microsoft over the edge to emit a decent description of why it’s failing. They need to be beaten up until they concede that a complete lack of reporting isn’t even a little bit acceptable!

        IdiocracyPoster

        -Noel

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        • #152960 Reply
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          The basic problem here is that the update can get to 99% then fail, revert, and there is NO WAY TO KNOW why. Not even if you dig with the geekiest intentions into the event logs and such files as CBS.log and other system files.

          It looks like there is some magic to find an error code, based on a tweet thread about KB4054517, with Jen Gentleman from MS:

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          • #153000 Reply
            Noel Carboni
            AskWoody_MVP

            Sigh. I suppose I should unblock Twitter and see what folks who feel that “tweeting” things is an acceptable form of communication are saying.

            I recall searching for hex error codes, but now that more folks are having the problem Microsoft might be making some additional information available.

            The only thing I was able to do to get v1703 to v1709 is to fresh-install the v1709 OS. I had taken Win 10 from just a pup (having started with one of the very first insider pre-releases) through its many in-place upgrades all the way through v1703. v1709 was the first time I ABSOLUTELY HAD to install afresh, after which I could update it. Then I got v1709 into this mode again but was able to restore a snapshot that would update again. However, at the moment it just won’t find cumulative updates online with a Windows Update initiated by the Settings App, but it WILL successfully update from the catalog. I imagine it’s only a matter of time before it gains back the problem that is the subject of this thread.

            Is this because I have not allowed Windows 10 to update itself whenever Microsoft darn well feels like it? Maybe.

            If so… Sorry, no, I am not ever going to just give in and allow Microsoft to load updates whenever they want. If it can’t be updated only on my say so it isn’t viable for use as anything more than a curiosity in a virtual machine for me. I can’t imagine having to be without my actual computer while trying to work this kind of problem out again and again.

            -Noel

      • #152990 Reply
        John
        AskWoody Lounger

        Think my Wife’s HP had issues, ran Windows update troubleshooter and it fixed the problem. Also had noted that Defender had not performed a scan in over a month too. Have not figured out if this was a connection given that Defender is updated through Windows update? Or if a corrupted update was affecting Defender. Her initial problem was black screen from sleep/hibernate which is why I began to trouble shoot in the first place.

      • #152993 Reply
        ky41083
        AskWoody Lounger

        It seems odd (or does it?) that 1709 would have update install issues like this, given that 1709 is the latest update for Windows Server…

        When Server 2016 went final, Windows 10 1607 seemed to have most of its issues figured out by that point, or shortly thereafter.

        We are “shortly thereafter” the official release of Windows Server 1709 at this point.

      • #153022 Reply
        zero2dash
        AskWoody Lounger

        Defer quality updates 0 days

        Curious why you do this.
        I have mine set to 30 days.
        I do also have mine set to Automatic Updates = 2, but I have quality updates deferred for 30 days.
        That way, if WU checks, it’s not pulling updates (or even finding updates) until long after the DEFCON rating has improved.
        I figure, it’s an additional “sanity check”, which, given 10’s reduced update control, gives a little peace of mind to me, at least. 🙂

        • #153030 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I’ve never had it violate the WU setting of 2 (ask download/install). With Quality updates deferred to 0 days, when I get ready to update I don’t have to change anything.

          PS I also keep my Win7/8.1 on “Check but let me decide whether to download and install”

        • #153622 Reply
          rc primak
          AskWoody_MVP

          There’s another Advanced Setting to Pause Updates for 30 days. I have that checked in Win 10, ver.1703 Pro on two devices.

          -- rc primak

      • #153032 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Anton Koslov tweets:

        The only thing that helped me, was a clean reinstall from manually created ISO. After clean install, those updates installed with no problems.

        • #153063 Reply
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          A short while later, Anton reported it had allowed the KB to install, but he had new problems from there:

          Upon clean install from ISO, updates installed. However, I now can’t open any links in the browser: state repository service is high on cpu and pc freezes.

          • #153070 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            It might take a couple of tries to get windows 10 to install properly from a clean install to a blank hard drive. (assuming you have no hardware defects)

            Once you get a good install enable system restore (off by default?!?) and install the proper drivers from your OEM (before you get online, recommend disabling driver updates). Set your privacy settings and make another restore point. Then install updates, if your OS breaks use your last restore point and repeat the undone steps. If you succeed make a restore point (and a full backup wouldn’t hurt).

            Repeat as needed (or until required tools such as system restore are removed from windows 10, or sanity levels drop too low to continue using windows 10).

      • #153042 Reply
        zero2dash
        AskWoody Lounger

        When you say “10 is the best version of Windows released, from a usability and multitasking standpoint” you are making a subjective opinion sound as if it were a factual statement – which it is not, it’s just your own personal experience.

        Well, the advertised changes made to the OS for multitasking proves this to be factually correct. The features added to 10 are absent in earlier versions of Windows.

        You can throw apps at the problem, and add Sysinternals Desktops (to get virtual desktops in lieu of Task View), and other apps like DisplayFusion or UltraView and gain some of the other functionality. Again though, the features are absent in other versions of Windows.

      • #153158 Reply
        Ascaris
        AskWoody_MVP

        The thing that irritates me the most about 8/8.1 is the Charms menu and the Settings – obviously, this has been exacerbated in 10, where they’ve continued taking stuff out of Control Panel and putting it in Settings.

        I use Metro Killer to eradicate them both (charms and Settings) from 8.1.  Classic Shell allows the user to disable all the hot corners that bring up the charms, but Metro Killer does something wonderful in memory that blocks anything Metro from running at all until you restart explorer.exe.  I’ve found ways of doing everything I need without Settings or anything else Metro… I use the Intel ProSet software with my wifi card on my laptop (taking the place of the Metro wireless network dialog), and I use NetSetMan for the same thing on my desktop (since it has no Intel wifi card, I can’t use ProSet).

        I use the Atheros Bluetooth suite on the desktop (which has an Atheros Bluetooth adapter built into the motherboard) and the Toshiba Bluetooth Stack on my laptop (it uses a CSR BT183) to replace the Metro Windows dialogs.  I use the management console to create new user accounts (which the “users” applet in Control Panel can no longer do in 8.1).

        Well, I use those when I am still in Windows, anyway, which is happening less and less often on my laptop (the desktop is still in Windows most of the time).  I am using the laptop under Linux Mint 18.3 now (using Waterfox) to write this.  Except for the rare case when I want to run some Windows-only games (that don’t lend themselves to WINE, particularly with my laptop’s limited performance; we’re not talking about modern AAA titles by any means), I simply don’t need Windows much anymore on the lappy.

        Group "L" (Fedora 32 Linux w/ KDE Plasma).

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        • #153174 Reply
          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody_MVP

          I haven’t tried Metro Killer, but I get zero appearance of or influence from Charms or the Start Screen or any Metro/Modern component on my Win 8.1 desktop workstation setup. It’s a pure desktop system – essentially Windows 7.1. And quite lean… It settles to 42 processes to support an idle desktop (12 of them things I’ve added), with 99.5%+ free CPU time on average.

          Thing is, Win 8.1 had been started down the dark path, but was only a limited distance from the entrance to the haunted mansion so that it could be pulled all the way back into the light through reconfiguration and augmentation. By contrast, though Win 10 responds to many of the same tweaks, it’s now so far gone with mobile/App garbage that it’s near impossible to maintain a nice, work-oriented pure desktop setup with it. As illustrated by this thread and others, Win 10 is past the “why bother?” stage and solidly into the “it’s just too much work to keep it running for no apparent gain” realm.

          -Noel

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      • #153267 Reply
        212louis
        AskWoody Lounger

        Microsoft’s only suggestion (forgive me if you’ve heard this one) is a clean install.

        Really? That’s their suggestion?? A clean install??? What a joke.

        No one who buys a computer should ever have to do a clean install because of an update. Ever.

        W7 x64

      • #153265 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Hmmm, checked for updates today and it said I was up to date. Looked at update history and that said that 4054517 failed to update on 12/17. That note had a (5) right after 4054517. As in 4054517 (5). Questions are (1) has Windows decided to stop the failed update and (2) does the (5) mean 5 attempts or what?

      • #153290 Reply
        Papaisgr8
        AskWoody Lounger

        Hi, Everyone:

        I tried installing KB 4054517 three times.  Each time, the installation failed.  So, I temporarily disabled Norton Internet Security Smart Firewall and Auto-Protect.  Within a few minutes, the update installed successfully.

        Go figure…

        John

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      • #153702 Reply
        MrBrian
        AskWoody_MVP
      • #154557 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        This is not the only problem. Also broke our WCF net.tcp connection string in Excel (Error -2147221020). Tested on 3 machines. Not upgrading or removing this update fixes the problem. Triple-checked the syntax on the connection string…

      • #159521 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Ty….please tell me how to fix…I’ve reset old version of windows ten…but now need net.framework 3.5 which needs the update….pl help tysm

         

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