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    This topic contains 59 replies, has 23 voices, and was last updated by  Michael Austin 1 week, 6 days ago.

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    • #2135274 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Following up on numerous tips here (and elsewhere), I rebooted twice and finally got my Win10 version 1903 Search box back: Search on my  main machine
      [See the full post at: Win10 Search is working again]

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    • #2135278 Reply

      The Surfing Pensioner
      AskWoody Plus

      Well, mine’s still not working at 17.54 GMT.

    • #2135283 Reply

      anonymous

      Still no luck with multiple of my users.

    • #2135292 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      If the ‘working/new’ build is being rolled out, I would guess it will take at least several hours for it to hit every machine. Then you have to know when it hits you (how, who knows?), and then reboot.

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    • #2135296 Reply

      r1ma
      AskWoody Lounger

      I did nothing, but just a reboot only after I saw this post. Now Windows Search works:

      Build: 2020.02.04.6238073

    • #2135306 Reply

      Zaphyrus
      AskWoody Lounger

      Sometimes I think that  I prefer being hacked  rather than have a computer that doesn’t work

      which is why I always hesitate with updates for issues like that

      Yes, I know, being unpatched is not an option.

       

      Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
      • #2135309 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        This patch was a stealth patch with no notice, nor option to decline nor hide.

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        • #2135338 Reply

          woody
          Da Boss

          Looks like it came through the Windows Store.

          Ouch.

        • #2135414 Reply

          Zaphyrus
          AskWoody Lounger

          thanks geekdom, for validating my reasons to have WU blocked until I really need it.

          Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
    • #2135307 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      I think the recent changes are very likely connected with the four “Quick searches” buttons at the bottom of the Search “Home”, which I believe most of us have not seen until very recently:

      Quick searches now in Search Home

      To help you find the info that matters even faster, we’ve added four quick web searches to your Search Home:

      Weather: Get current conditions and the upcoming forecast
      Top news: Read the latest headlines from popular news sites
      Today in history: Explore four events that happened on this day
      New movies: Find out what’s playing in theaters near you

      Note: This is a server-side change that’s currently rolling out and will appear for users across builds from version 1809 to 20H1. Currently, quick searches are only available in the US, but will be available soon internationally.

      https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2019/11/05/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-19018/

      Quick Searches go international

      Last month we announced the new Quick Searches feature—available in Search Home—that makes it fast and easy to find web answers and results. Today, we’re happy to share that this experience is now expanding from EN-US to:

      Australia: English
      Canada: English and French
      China: Chinese (Simplified)
      France: French
      Germany: German
      India: English
      Italy: Italian
      Japan: Japanese
      Mexico: Spanish
      Spain: Spanish
      United Kingdom: English
      United States: English

      Use Quick Searches to find out about weather, top news, today in history, new movies, and occasionally, a seasonal topic or interesting quiz. Depending on which market you’re in, you’ll see two to four of these options.

      Note: This is a server-side change that’s currently rolling out and will appear for users across builds from version 1809 to 20H1 in supported markets.

      https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2019/12/10/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-19041/

      So there’s the warning and documentation (for Windows Insiders, but affecting everyone else)!

      Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

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      • #2135311 Reply

        jabeattyauditor
        AskWoody Lounger

        Do you think they accidentally released this insider “feature” to a wider-than-intended audience?

      • #2135313 Reply

        Microfix
        Da Boss

        hmm.. they are missing a few countries for a full-house!
        Denmark, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Belgium and Sweden.
        Perhaps those search fixes will happen later..14 eyes 😉

        Win7 Pro x64 | Win8.1 Pro x64 | Linux Hybrids x86/x64 | Win7 Pro x86 | W10 never again
      • #2135340 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Okay, but I’ve had “Quick” *(unwanted)* searches for weeks….

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    • #2135316 Reply

      R
      AskWoody Lounger

      Doesn’t work at all here, extraordinary frustrating. Completelt ridiculous that a core functionality of an OS like searching for local(!!!) files is dependant on remote stuff elsewhere.  I run a search-troubleshooter which couldn’t repair it either. In fact, it turned out it send a crash report to Microsoft, with as reason a failed certificate. Weird story. No idea what to do now, restarted about 5 times and really have other things to do today. 🙁

       

       

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    • #2135330 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Okay, Microsoft. Pull the other one. Since when does a third-party networking fiber provider increment Windows Search build numbers? I need to get Susan Bradley to re-instate her Pinocchio awards. Five noses, this one.

      Software and services sometimes work together. A break in one doesn’t prove a defect in the other.

      Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

    • #2135333 Reply

      anonymous

      I never got this flawed patch, Windows 10 Pro 1909 version 18363.628, search build is 2019.07.18.6227079

      Not sure why I didn’t get this patch. Because of a firewall (normal windows updates are allowed, as are Microsoft store updates)? Because I’m on Pro? Because I turn off allowing modern apps to run in the background?

      It would be good to know exactly what channel Microsoft is using for these search updates. Since javascript is involved maybe it just downloads it from a webpage if web search is enabled? Not sure what’s going on here, but I don’t like it.

    • #2135339 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Following up on numerous tips here (and elsewhere), I rebooted twice and finally got my Win10 version 1903 Search box back: Search on my  main machine
      [See the full post at: Win10 Search is working again]

      1903 Pro with build ..6238049 and search works. In fact never had a search problem.

    • #2135341 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Microsoft confirmed it was investigating access and latency issues “with multiple Microsoft 365 services,” before fixing the issue at 11:35AM ET. Microsoft blames a “third-party networking fiber provider” for experiencing a network disruption resulting in multiple Microsoft 365 services issues. While Microsoft has fixed this issue, many are still reporting that Windows search is still not working. You may need to reboot your Windows 10 PC to get search working again, though.

      So, wait. The search box/bar is now *dependent* on Microsoft 365 services? What if my cable goes out due to a storm? Or I’m on vacation and purposefully disconnecting from the internet? I can’t perform local file searches?

      Five Pinocchio noses is not enough. And also, there is strong evidence that if you were already at or above a certain build number for the search app, then you were not hit with the issue.

      Up to this point, I’ve been intrigued and somewhat concerend about not having any control over the updates. Honestly, feeling some genuine anger here now. Just, wow.

      Via https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-users-encountering-problems-with-built-in-search/Update (1 pm ET): A Microsoft spokesperson says the issue should now be resolved for most. You need to reboot your PC — at least once. In my case, third reboot was the charm. No word on what caused the issue or how Microsoft intends to prevent this from happening in the future.

      You have to reboot the PC at least once. Holy are-you-kidding-me Batman! And how is the average user supposed to know to reboot. And possibly reboot 2 or more times. 🤣😂😲😒😠

       

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      • #2135372 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        It looks like the Search updates are being distributed through the Microsoft Store. That’s hard to verify because there’s no record of the updates coming through – and no way to turn them off, as best I can tell.

        I understand that Chredge, being a UWP/Store app, will get updated through the Store. I assume you’ll be able to block updates via the Store.

        But a key component of Windows itself getting updated silently? Very scary.

        Somebody’s beta testing the Search software, on our production machines.

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        • #2135377 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          Somebody’s beta testing the Search software, on our production machines.

          It’s not a beta test. Insiders had the changes three months ago.

          Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

        • #2135445 Reply

          howardagoldberg
          AskWoody Plus

          I understand that Chredge, being a UWP/Store app, will get updated through the Store. I assume you’ll be able to block updates via the Store.

          Actually, I don’t think it is through the Store. While in Chr(Edge), just like Chrome, you can click on Help and Feedback > About Microsoft Edge and it checks for updates. I’ve already pulled down one update since installing via that method. I’m pretty sure Chr(Edge) has its own internal update mechanism … did I miss something?

          But a key component of Windows itself getting updated silently? Very scary.

          Terrifying. And since this immediate crisis has passed/is passing, can I bring up two other points?

          1. At the moment, it really sounds like you need to have an active internet connection to even perform local searches, or you end up with the blank screen. Do we know if there is some mechanism that tells search, ‘hey we’re offline,’ just skip ahead over the fancy websearch buttons we added that no one asked for or will likely use, and function like the user wants, and
          2. What is with this ‘Microsoft Rewards Balance’ gameification of search, that is connected to a Microsoft Account stored in Credentials for Office 365 (again, I logon to Windows with a local admin account). I did not sign up for Microsoft Rewards, I did not sign into search using *any* account, and … since I’m signed in, does that mean every search I make – even for local files I made all by myself – are somehow part of the larger telemetry picture being created? I hope not to that last one,  but how would we know without any documentation or user-preference controls?

          I get that we do not technically ‘own’ our copy of Windows. We buy a license to run the code on our hardware – which we do own; and create/store content – which we own (assuming we created it or purchased it legally), using legally obtained software.

          Microsoft may have the legal ‘right’ to change how things work, but they also have a moral, and common-sense, obligation to be trasnparent about those changes, give advance warning of changes so users don’t think there is something ‘wrong’ with their system when things seemlingly go haywire, and give users at least some basic control over those things that can impact work (or play) flow and privacy.

          My gut is this is a story that is not going away anytime soon, and has some pretty dramatic implications not just for search, but for the entire Windows echo system.

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    • #2135350 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      Not sure why, but I haven’t had any problems with the Search function on 1903 18362.592. maybe I’m just one of the lucky ones. Maybe it’s just related to MS Office 365 which I don’t have. I have Office 2013 Home & Student. Anyway, another fine mess from MS 🙂

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      4 Win 10 Pro all 1903 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2137481 Reply

        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Just fired up my laptop after a week, 1903 18632.592 (same as other desktops) but the laptop search hasn’t updated since July 2019 evidently. My other computers show 2/8/2020. What’s up with that?

        1903-search

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro all 1903 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Curious about the different (4 versions so far) of search text in the search box and if it is relates to the search bug.

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    • #2135360 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      You have to reboot the PC at least once.

      I restart (never boot after shutdown) my PC once per month as required, after patch Tuesday.
      My laptop is on 24/365.

    • #2135382 Reply

      The Surfing Pensioner
      AskWoody Plus

      Well, it’s 19.58 GMT and my search is back now, build 2020.02.04.6238073. It does make me laugh, though: under “Recent activities” there is a light bulb icon with the slogan, “Let Microsoft keep your PC healthy”. If I didn’t know better, I’d think MS was developing a sense of humour……………………

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    • #2135376 Reply

      anonymous

      But how do you know your build version if you can’t access the search window ? I know I can use winver but thats not the same numbers I see on your screen or even the same place or app ? Any other way to know ?

    • #2135455 Reply

      Brocktoon
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m back to working as well … looks like 2020.02.04.6238073 may be the magic build? … if it was a build update that fixed the issue.  I have no idea what build I was on when the blackout hit.

      Still showing ‘Start a web search’ in the box

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    • #2135458 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      I’m back to working as well … looks like 2020.02.04.6238073 may be the magic build? … if it was a build update that fixed the issue.  I have no idea what build I was on when the blackout hit.

      Still showing ‘Start a web search’ in the box

      I too am still showing ‘Start a web search’ on one of my systems.

    • #2135474 Reply

      anonymous

      3rd reboot did it

       

    • #2135491 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      It was not a bug, but a feature that was being introduced.

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

    • #2135528 Reply

      anonymous

      I had the misfortune of encountering this problem with one of two Windows 10 Home computers I was setting up last night, freshly built yesterday by a local PC parts vendor.

      One was installed in US English, and the other in UK English. Both were localised to Australia. Only one of the two received the patch that broke my search, although I don’t recall which one (I think it was the Windows 10 Home with UK English but my memory is vague).

      After a lengthy Google search I resolved the issue to great effect by editing the registry, as suggested by the following article: https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/02/05/its-not-just-you-windows-10-search-is-giving-blank-results/
      Instructions in brief, courtesy of r/windows10:

      Open command prompt or PowerShell and type the following commands one by one:

      • reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search /v BingSearchEnabled /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
      • reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search /v CortanaConsent /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
      • tskill searchui

      https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/ezklns/start_menu_search_show_blank_tried_everything_i/fgnw5f3/

      That Bing and Cortana are involved, as well as Javascript as suggested by Woody in his other article, reeks to me of bad, expired and putrid spaghetti code.

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      • #2139815 Reply

        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        I’ll have to try these fixes on my Windows 10 1903 Pro installation. Something in there is still not fixed on my machine.

        -- rc primak

    • #2135676 Reply

      anonymous

      Did a ‘Shutdown / Reboot ‘. Hey-presto ! It’s working again, for now ?

    • #2135713 Reply

      Microfix
      Da Boss

      The excuse given by MS that this was the fault of a third party fibre provider is a distraction, the node fault is at the doorstep of Redmond, with it’s accelerated cumulus integration, minimal testing and bullish attitude towards windows 10 end-users across the spectrum.
      The move to rely on third party partners to integrate a local search facility that DEPENDS on network connectivity has shown it’s quality.*
      Yesterday, the Satya stratocumulus failed at ground zero level, that created a data storm for lots of system/home users and admins,.. in the meantime, we have to suck-it-up and get on with the everyday chores/business the best we can whether within our decisive control or otherwise. With the extra windows 7 staff to deploy and accelerate their intentions, I for one, am in rebuke of the MS collateral damage approach.

      * does not determine it’s true meaning or value in this instance and is variable

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    • #2135756 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      It sure seems to me a three finger salute is in order regarding this situation, the resolution and for bringing this to everyone’s attention.

      A three finger salute to Woody! I’m sure there are a lot of folks that would like to give Woody a three finger salute!   (running away)

      🙂

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

    • #2135757 Reply

      doriel
      AskWoody Lounger

      Windows 10 is so complex, that these bugs are unavoidable. But solution at least reboot once (mostly third restart did the job) is something new in IT. MS shouldnt have close testing dept.

      roy

      Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, WX 1809 Enterprise

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    • #2135907 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      In the days of paper and file cabinets, some organization in storage (the file cabinets) was necessary to have some semblance of smooth work flow and efficiency. A dedicated file cabinet for storing related documents, the drawers in the file cabinet dedicated to sub-categories of related documents, major folders for finer-grained separation, minor folders for even finer grained separation, and the individual pieces of paper filed in these filed away in that hierarchy.

      Long before I had a PC, I had a file cabinet for household and personal papers, organized in a recognizable order for me. Someone unfamiliar with my filing system might have had difficulty in finding a particular piece of paper, but having setup the system and refined it with use, I knew where everything was filed by drawer, major category, sub-category, folder.
      As I transitioned to doing more and more with my PC and handling bills and payments online, I reproduced my physical file cabinet system in digital form. All the categories and sub-categories made the transition seamlessly. Instead of dedicated file cabinets, drawers with major and minor categories and finer-grained folders, I now have partitions, major folders, subfolders, sub-subfolders, and plain English file names.

      My PC filing system has the same feel that I have been using most of my adult life, so I know where my files are stored, and I can go directly to them. I use StartIsBack with XP style flyout menus. Click the Start button, slide the mouse up to Documents, and there are all my major folders along with a few miscellaneous files that don’t particularly fit any of my categories. On my PC, Search has never been of much use as a tool for me. It comes in handy every couple of months to collect .tmp files for deletion, but other than that, I simply have no need for Search. If I want to find something online, I open my web browser, currently Firefox, my home page is DuckDuckGo, and the blinking cursor is already in the search box.

      For me, it’s a non-issue, because Search still works for my purposes.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
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    • #2135994 Reply

      Mark
      AskWoody Plus

      Well, all I can say is I haven’t seen this bug in v1809.  But then again I don’t let my PCs talk to Microsoft.  I have the connection set to “metered” and then I really locked it down in the Policy and registry.  I recently did patches for January and Office 365 a week ago.  Then I locked the connection back down so Office couldn’t phone home.  You could say I have “trust issues” with Microsoft.

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v1809, Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x64
      • #2136333 Reply

        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Good job, but what about average user, that has no clue whats going on? Average Home user (that does not know hot to tun telemetry off, how to defer updates and so on) is being exploited to risk of breaking search, losing data, etc. every 14 days. Microsoft is causing far more damamge than hackers and thieves to them.
        Not mentioning gamers and streamers, who are complaining about Windows abusing their connection bandwith with constant MS traffic in and out – causing lags and crashes.

        Defer updates for as long as possible, set connection to metered and turn telemerty of, if you wish for stable and functional Windows 10. Create Hyper-V machine for testing if you like to be an early adopter.

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    • #2137366 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      I want to bump up attention to another issue with the ‘new’ Windows search box, that – the more I think about – is really bothering me:

      What is with this ‘Microsoft Rewards Balance’ gameification of search, that is connected to a Microsoft Account?

      Win10-Search-02092020

      First, I log on to Window using a local admin account. There are two Microsoft accounts saved in the Credential Manager on my system: one is associated with the account used for my Office 365 subscription, the other is a Hotmail/MSN email address that I setup in Outlook.

      Given that:

      1) Why is search logged into any of my accounts? This connection to the mothership was made without any actions on my part, and more concerning, I do not see anyway to ‘sign off’ of search or switch accounts if I so choose. In fact, until I set one of my stored MS accounts to ‘do not automatically log me into MS apps’ in Settings > Accounts, the account logged into search would seem to just flip back and forth between the two accounts without reason, or any action on my part.

      2) Microsoft Rewards Balance: What is this? I did not sign up for Microsoft Rewards, and certainly do not want my searching to be gameified. Both of my Win10 systems are logged into the same MS account in search. On one system, the awards balance is ’15,’ as shown here, on the other system, the balance is ‘0.’ So, in addition to signing me in to search and starting up an awards account, it is not clear if the rewards balance is a ‘local’ count or just another part of the new search that MS has not fully baked.

      Of course, now that I am signed into search – with no way to sign out – does this mean that every search I do in the search box is being sent to MS? Even local search?

      Oh, and after several days of not seeing a new build – upon booting up this morning, it looks like MS pushed out a new search build on a Saturday: 2020.02.08.6238399.

      And also, with this new build, on one of my systems, the text in the search box is still ‘Start a web search.’

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      • #2137400 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        1) Why is search logged into any of my accounts? This connection to the mothership was made without any actions on my part, and more concerning, I do not see anyway to ‘sign off’ of search or switch accounts if I so choose.

        You’ve redacted “Connected accounts” in your screenshot with a black box overlay.

        If you go to Search settings on that menu you can turn off “Cloud content search” for your Microsoft account. As soon as you’ve done that then Search no longer shows a connected account or Microsoft Rewards.

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

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        • #2137421 Reply

          howardagoldberg
          AskWoody Plus

          Thank you. That’s certainly good to know.

          However – none of this was there for me prior to all these search box updates, and these were all turned on without any user interaction on my part.

          It also does not explain why my two MS accounts were being logged into or how Windows decided which account to use at a particular time.

          Also, also … those points are only for cloud searches, as far as I can tell, since in my experimenting, local searches do not bump up the count. While some people may want this or not mind it, this is only about MS trying to get people to use Bing vs. another engine through social engineering. For something as basic as search in the OS, I honestly find that hugely problematic *since* there was no documentation this ‘feature’ was being turned on/delivered.

          If there had been some type of pop-up along the lines of … “we’ve updated your search box, now you can earn rewards by turning on cloud search, etc.” … that would have framed all of this differently.

          It’s the fact that there is no disclosure at all, or an obvious way to turn this off from the search box (I’m pretty tech savvy, but would not have imagined that’s how to turn the rewards off), that is concerning.

          And the question remains, even if I turn off the ‘cloud search,’ is MS still recording all my searches? I think that’s an entirely fair question. With Google, you are in the cloud to begin with and accept how all of that works. Local, OS based search, is an entirely different matter.

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        • #2137422 Reply

          howardagoldberg
          AskWoody Plus

          “You’ve redacted “Connected accounts” in your screenshot with a black box overlay.”

          Of course I have. Why does it matter what email address is connected to my MS account(s) and why would I share it publicly?

          • #2137446 Reply

            b
            AskWoody Plus

            It just took me a moment to work out what I was looking at, and I wanted to point out that the solution was just an inch below that.

            Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

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      • #2137411 Reply

        joep517
        AskWoody MVP

        This is because of the default search settings. Check your search settings at Settings | Search | Permissions & History.

        In my experience, the rewards balance is Microsoft account based not local.

        --Joe

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      • #2137417 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        2) Microsoft Rewards Balance: What is this? I did not sign up for Microsoft Rewards, and certainly do not want my searching to be gameified.

        I do. I’ve earned sufficient points through Bing searches to redeem for $200 in gift cards (with a choice of 16 stores).

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

      • #2139817 Reply

        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        In a word, The Store (OK, two words).

        Search, even Local Search, is now being treated as a MS Store App. Cortana apparently wasn’t intrusive enough. So now we have to connect to the MS Store (using our MS Accounts)to get any MS Search results — even Local Search.

        If this is indeed the case, it’s time to trot out the MS Search alternatives.

        Any confirmation or denial of these conclusions?

        -- rc primak

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        • #2139915 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          So now we have to connect to the MS Store (using our MS Accounts)to get any MS Search results — even Local Search.

          If this is indeed the case, it’s time to trot out the MS Search alternatives.

          Any confirmation or denial of these conclusions?

          Yes, denial; just not true. You should try it before making rash statements.

          Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

        • #2139924 Reply

          Michael Austin
          AskWoody Plus

          In a word, The Store (OK, two words).

          Search, even Local Search, is now being treated as a MS Store App. Cortana apparently wasn’t intrusive enough. So now we have to connect to the MS Store (using our MS Accounts)to get any MS Search results — even Local Search.

          If this is indeed the case, it’s time to trot out the MS Search alternatives.

          Any confirmation or denial of these conclusions?

          Since I started using Windows 10 in 2018 I’ve intentionally kept my files away from Microsoft’s “ID” servers. So I’ve had fewer issues with Windows 10 search. Not no issues, just fewer. In support of your observations about the Microsoft Store App, I’ve a third-party security suite which tells me that the Store, via Edge, has consistently broken and thus suspicious and unreliable security certs. I use Edge only for quick and dirty web searches in which I don’t care if some company I’d never truly trust (Microsoft) logs what I’m doing. I run and continuously test multiple web browers which are more secure than Edge. But I like its convenience in the 10 UI. Cortana is turned off, and will remain so.

          Finance, social and tech founder. Earth spirit.

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      dgc-art
      AskWoody Plus

      Sharing howardagoldberg’s concerns and following b’s search settings instructions, I turned off “cloud content search” and the speed of my Brave browser improved noticeably.  As it did on Firefox and Edge. Coincidence? Search build 2020.02.08.6238399 on Windows 10 Pro 1909.

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      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      So, I turned off the ‘Cloud Content’ options and yes, I am no longer ‘logged in’ (at least as far as one can see), and the awards points icon is gone also.

      But guess what … the search box still has the text “Start a web search.” So, here one thing has nothing to do with the other. And web search is still very much a part of the search box. Not surprising, just a FYI.

      Turning off ‘cloud search’ only turns off searching your MS account connected cloud email (if you do email via a browser, I assume), docs (One Drive?), etc. The default for this should be off, and at some point during the search box debacle, I suspect it was ‘turned on’ for us as a courtesy (of course you want this!) … unless I just never noticed this before, which would be a bit unlike me 😉.

      But turning off ‘Cloud Content’ options doesn’t let us know what telemetry MS is gathering from our local searches. Hopefully, none … but, after all this, I am suspicious …

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        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        There’s a whole slew of other things you need to turn off in Windows 10 to completely disconnect Search from anything Cloud dependent, and to completely disconnect it from your MS Account.

        Cortana, Inking, Bing Search — these are just the start of what needs to be disabled to get rid of Cloud elements from Windows Search these days. That’s why some of us use products like O&O’s ShutUp 10 to make the disabling process more manageable.

        -- rc primak

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