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      • #2277995 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I first saw this report from Paul Thurrott over the weekend… he was trying to upgrade one of his PCs to Win10 version 2004 — apparently using Windo
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      • #2278003 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        A workaround seems to have been discovered over on Technet
        Posted extract by Maxime 128:

        So what I have did is to disable completely the internet on the computer, reboot the computer and install the iso and wait.. Work perfectly now you can reactivate the internet after.
        Is probably a bug on something when the installer verify the computer with internet before installing.’

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        • #2278013 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Yep, but I’ve seen advice that may have unintended consequences.

          (In general, disconnecting from the internet when upgrading may be the only easy way to get a local account going – but it seems like a very hamstrung way for general use.)

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          • #2278037 Reply
            Microfix
            AskWoody MVP

            Consequentially, that method could lead to hardware driver and other issues yes, I’d agree. Thereagain, why is MS issuing an ‘all clear’ via WU, when in fact it’s evident that is not?
            So in essence, W10 2004 doesn’t have the Askwoody nor the Windows Update seal of approval!
            and at this rate, it could potentially be MONTHS away..

            rant/ And I thought Spring was a season where things grew, not a counteraction to pushed nonsense. /rant

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        • #2278053 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          This begs the question: why isn’t this check done before making the “Download and install” button available? Why tell people that they can upgrade and then later tell them that they can’t? This is obviously very poor UX design that leads people into circles of aggravation. Software should not tell you one thing and then tell you something contradictory two clicks later.

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          • #2278485 Reply
            doriel
            AskWoody Lounger

            Exactly. I ve seen this before on chromebooks with small storage for example. It downloads whole update, then it tells you “You re good to go! Hardware OK”
            And then PUFF!! Your PC has not sufficient free space, update failed.
            The day after, you switch your PC on, and again. Another user gets nailed by this absurd cadence of updates.
            I an going to follow the lounge rules and end my post here.

            Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

            HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2278004 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I just got forced updated from 10/1809 to 10/1909 after checking for updates and I do not see any feature update offering option listed any more so is it possible that my system could get 10/2004 pushed out soon as well? My system does not appear to be having any issues with 1909 or the June 2020 10/1909 updates as well. I did have to update some drivers for my laptop and other such software and does that CrEdge update get offered every time one starts Edge/Non-Chromium from now on or is that just after monthly updates.

        How does one tell if they have Edge/Chromium installed?

      • #2278014 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        How does one tell if they have Edge/Chromium installed?

        You have the ChrEdge logo on the taskbar. Or, just run Edge and check the version installed :

        Microsoft Edge is up to date.
        Version 83.0.478.58 (Official build) (64-bit)

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        • #2278049 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          It’s the older version of non chromium Edge, but when I checked Wikipedia it said it was the Xbox One version of Edge 44 and I’m on a gaming laptop(10/1909 just updated from 1809) but the Icon is the old edge Icon of the non crEdge variant.  Really does someone have a link to the Edge version history as Wikipedia’s entry on Edge is confusing.

          Someone needs to make a version history of Edge in all its builds and include the complete Icon set that appears as well. And I’m not on Windows 10 mostly when online so I’m forgetting what things are supposed to look like under 10 and I’m mostly using Firefox anyways across my Windows 10 and Windows 7(EOL)/Linux Mint 19.3 dual boot laptops, that are only safe to use online when booted into Linux Mint.

      • #2278034 Reply
        lylejk
        AskWoody Plus

        1909’s working quite fine for now.  Have zero desire for 2004 and don’t care if my system is ever upgradable to it.   lol

         

        🙂

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      • #2278033 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I noticed this peculiar behavior when I upgraded my seventh generation HP-Omen core i7 laptop last month from the Home version 1909 to the WU offered Home version 2004: it downloaded 4 gigabytes, spent some time “getting things ready” (may have been the other way around), and then began installing. But when it reached the 25% level of installing, it suddenly went back to “getting things ready” again for a while, before returning to installing again. This version upgrade took longer than any previous version upgrade on this machine (going back to starting with version 1709). It took well over an hour and a half with a core i7 processor and a 28 megabyte per second wi-fi connection. There were, however, no error messages; and the process completed successfully and has worked fine for three weeks, so far. But I have not detected anything at all that is even one degree better about 2004 versus 1909, nothing. And I would have thought that they would not even begin the downloading and installing phases of the upgrade before first determining whether everything was acceptable for the upgrade or not. Otherwise it is just a waste of the consumer’s time and resources. Microsoft seems to believe that most people leave their computers up and running 24 hours a day, 365 days a year; and that they (Microsoft) can just do whatever they want to the machines when they’re idle and unattended. Which is precisely why I never leave my computers idle and unattended. If I’m not using it, it’s shut down, off, not hibernating or sleeping, no rapid boot enabled.

         

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      • #2278044 Reply
        WildBill
        AskWoody Plus

        it offers 2004 via WU and installs to 30 percent before this appears.

        When I install monthly updates for Windows 8.1, it usually goes to 30% & holds a while before it restarts. That “hold” is probably Windows in general checking out drivers & other conditions before it gives the OK. Once the restart occurs, updates move from 30% to 100% pretty quickly on my 7-year-old machine… depending on what’s being updated.

        BTW, Woody, the link goes to one of Thurrott’s tweets & not an article. Bad link, or did things change & the article is Premium?

        Windows 8.1, 64-bit, back in Group A... & leaning toward Windows 10 V2004. As long as it's a Lot Less Buggy!
        Wild Bill Rides Again...

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        • #2278045 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Every Windows update (since eternity) goes first to 30% before rebooting and continuing with the update. 🙂

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          • #2278065 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Just to be clear and remove any confusion, I believe you’re referring to a later step in the process than what is being referred to in earlier remarks. We’re not talking about the reboot progressing to 30% before restarting and finishing the other 70%. The earlier remarks are referring to what takes place on the Windows Update screen prior to the computer reaching the point of needing to shut down and reboot. Windows 10 goes through a three-step process of 1.) getting things ready, 2.) downloading the complete operating system upgrade package, and 3.) unpacking and installing the upgrade package while simultaneously grabbing and downloading updated drivers and other apps needed during the install (a three step process that may take two hours or more); and then it prompts the user to reboot the machine to complete the installation, which only takes a few minutes and may include several reboots before completion.

             

        • #2278089 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          I didn’t see a blog post, only the tweet.

          Did I miss something?

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      • #2278047 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Consider keeping Windows 10.2004 off your machine until things settle. Information is here:

        https://www.askwoody.com/2020/win10-version-2004-deferrals-gone-from-the-user-interface-but-theres-a-little-known-registry-key-thatll-keep-new-versions-off-your-machine/

        G{ot backup} TestBeta
        offline▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox79.0 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
        online▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox80.0b4 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
        • This reply was modified 1 month ago by geekdom.
      • #2278061 Reply
        KWGuy
        AskWoody Plus

        After installing the May patches a month ago, I received the message on the WU status page saying that Ver. 2004 was available along with the “Download and Install Now” option (which I, of course ignored!)

        Today, after installing the June patches, the message had changed by telling me that Ver. 2004 was not ready for my device and that I would be advised when it (Ver. 2004) was ready for my device.  Perhaps if I would have clicked on the “Learn More” link, I would have, um,  learned more, but what I have learned is…be careful where you click of the WU page.

        This is the opposite of the message that some reportedly received a couple months ago stating that their device was not ready for MS!

        I love my Chromebook!!!!!!!!!!

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        • #2278108 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          “This is the opposite of the message that some reportedly received a couple months ago stating that their device was not ready for MS!”

          Microsoft has change the wording from PC not compatible with 2004 to 2004 is on its way and just wait for it. This was probably done after millions asked Microsoft what’s wrong with their PCs.

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      • #2278529 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Not surprised with any windows update errors anymore.
        For me, reason for unsuccessful upgrade from Win7 to Win10 1909 was simple: shortcut to file with very long path|name in “Recent” folder of my user’s profile. Deleted that shortcut –  got successful upgrade.

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      • #2279150 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        another unexpected 2004 upgrade block, woody

        recently from Neowin – OneDrive app is preventing Windows 10 users from upgrading to May 2020 Update

        https://www.neowin.net/news/onedrive-app-is-preventing-windows-10-users-from-upgrading-to-may-2020-update

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        • #2279164 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          When was Microsoft going to tell us?

          G{ot backup} TestBeta
          offline▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox79.0 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
          online▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox80.0b4 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
      • #2279156 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Seriously. Who tests this stuff?

        I mean, beside the unpaid beta testers…

        • #2279163 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          End-users for two or three out of the six month cycle before the next iteration lands?
          What would you do if it were a physical item?
          I’d certainly take it back to the shop ask for a refund.
          but wait..
          rant/ it was initially a free downgrade upgrade for in support Microsoft operating systems 7 and 8.1
          Considering that people and business need a stable fully ‘working’ OS especially during a pandemic, at their workplace or working from home, why should these people or business’s suffer more due to the cost savings of removing a QA department in a global corporation./rant

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      • #2279172 Reply
        Sinclair
        AskWoody Lounger

        Pretty funny how this pans out. It seems that it is all just hit and miss. I have a very low spec Rikomagic MK36T box hanging around.

        CPU Intel Atom x5-Z8350
        2GB RAM
        32GB eMMC
        Intel HD Graphics 400
        Windows 10 1809 Home installed out of the box.

        It got the 1903 and 1909 updates that installed without issues despite the low specs. June 2020 updates installed and it is now offered the 2004 update which I am sure will also install without issues. Not that I plan on doing that right now. CrEdge is not installed on the system and I am not using a Microsoft account.

        At the same time I have a Medion Laptop that came with Windows 10 S that I converted to Home.

        CPU Intel Celeron N4000
        4GB RAM
        64GB eMMC
        Intel HD Graphics 600

        It got the 1909 update. June 2020 updates including forced upgrade to CrEdge which did not happen on the MK36T box. But here Microsoft update says the 2004 update is not ready for this computer. Again not using a Microsoft account on this one as well. I only created a Microsoft account to converd it from Windows 10 S to Home then immediately deleted said account.

        Main computers all still on good old Windows 7.

        W7 x64 Pro&Home

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