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    • #218869 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      You may recall the problem we had earlier this month with Error 0x8000FFFF in the Win7 Cumulative Update? John Wilcox has just posted an item in the W
      [See the full post at: Win7 Servicing Stack updates: Managing change and appreciating cumulative updates]

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    • #218874 Reply

      fernlady
      AskWoody Lounger

      I installed KB3177467 in October 2016, so I won’t get it again, right?

      Windows 7 Home x64 AMD Group A
      Realtek PCLe GBE Family Controller

    • #218881 Reply

      MikeFromMarkham
      AskWoody Lounger

      A well-written, clear and informative explanation.

      Microsoft’s probably already fired this guy for breaking company policy! 😝

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    • #218887 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Lounger

      I appreciate Woody passing along this notice from Wilcox, and will watch out to make sure not to install the SP1 all over again next month by unchecking the update. Hoping also the people at MS make it very clear what the update is.

      • #218888 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        The notice from Wilcox is NOT about Service Pack 1 (SP1). It is about the Servicing Stack Update KB3177467 for Win7 SP1. This SSU is required for further updating of Win7 SP1 for both Group A and Group B.

        If it is offered to your conputer through Windows Update (no matter which Group you are in) you need to install it.

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        • #218892 Reply

          HonzaZKrumlova
          AskWoody Lounger

          Simple question: between 08 and 09/2018 state, before installing secuonly or cumulative September KB, I should install KB3177467. Should I restart PC after that (3177467) and the continue to 09-2018 KBs or it can be done together without restarting?

          I can try, how WU do it in GroupA scenario, not sure about group B

          • #218895 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            If you download from the MS Catalog and manually install, restart when asked.

            If you install through Windows Update, follow Windows Update instructions (it knows what you should do).
            In the past, the SSU would not show up in WU if there were any pending important updates (checked or unchecked) in the queue. So you would have to hide all the pending updates to see it.
            It seems they are going to change the metadata so it will show up anyway. Don’t know if this has been done yet of not. If so, you will see it. If not, you will still have to hide updates to see it.

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            • #219616 Reply

              Ed
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano… “If you download from the MS Catalog and manually install, restart when asked.”

              I just installed the KB3177467 .msu file downloaded from the catalog on both a 32 bit and a 64 bit system and neither of them suggested a restart. I restarted both of them anyhow and I did not see the usual “Please Wait…” message that appears during REQUIRED restarts.

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          • #218936 Reply

            GoneToPlaid
            AskWoody Lounger

            After installing KB3177467 (the servicing stack update) you should restart your computer and wait at least 10 minutes before installing any other updates.

            • #218986 Reply

              abbodi86
              AskWoody MVP

              Why is that?

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              Ed
            • #219643 Reply

              ch100
              AskWoody MVP

              @abbodi86
              This is because TrustedInstaller.exe and on later systems TiWorker.exe in addition to TrustedInstaller.exe normally do the post install defrag job for the CBS. For those of us who know this stuff, it is not a big deal, as those processes would continue from where they left next time when they have the opportunity and even so I am tempted to allow that task to complete before restarting after manually applying patches.
              It is only another urban legend like many others posted on internet forums.

            • #220132 Reply

              HonzaZKrumlova
              AskWoody Lounger

              After some tests, I can say – restart is not needed. BUT. There is such an …. efect, I saw time to time in past. Without (not required) restarting, if you immediately hit WU scan again and IF there are some other KBs detected to install (and mostly they are not, cause as somebody mentioned here – this KB3177467 surrprise come to us when we hide tens of cumulative updates)… WUA scan results are some way corrupted. TABs in the left mentioning number of updates found, but in main window – you see empty space. Even if you switch them (optional and back), you see empty nothing.

              And, if you DO restart, another scan display results just regular way.

              Anybody else seeing this…. bug?

            • #219621 Reply

              Ed
              AskWoody Lounger

              I’m not seeing a response to abbodi86’s question so now I’ve got to ask this one.

              Why… after installing an update that doesn’t REQUIRE a restart… should we wait ten minutes after restarting?

              • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by  Ed.
            • #219627 Reply

              Charlie
              AskWoody Lounger

              After installing KB3177467 a message came up – Installation Complete.  It didn’t say that it was necessary to reboot so I didn’t but – I did see my hard drive light flashing at lot so I brought up Task Manager.  The CPU was averaging 25% along with the hard drive working. This went on for about 5 to 10 minutes and then stopped.  All seems to be fine now.

              Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Group B

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            • #219631 Reply

              Charlie
              AskWoody Lounger

              @ed – I should have said that I wasn’t going to install any other updates. There may be a good reason to reboot if you’ve got more to install. I don’t know why, maybe someone else knows.

              Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Group B

            • #219641 Reply

              CADesertRat
              AskWoody Lounger

              I didn’t restart either of my W7 computers after the SSU since it didn’t call for one. Actually I went to WU and installed the Sept. .NET and monthly rollup and MSRT which did call for a restart. Everything “seems” to be running fine.

    • #218905 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Lounger

      I don’t have KB 3177467 on my W7 computer and had no problems installing Aug. updates.

      Sept. updates are still at Defcon 2.

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  CADesertRat.
      • #218937 Reply

        GoneToPlaid
        AskWoody Lounger

        The KB3177467 servicing stack update fixed some timing issues when installing Windows Updates. These timing issues could cause errors when trying to install Windows Updates. Even though you did not encounter any issues when installing the August updates, I highly recommend that you do install KB3177467. I have had KB3177467 installed on all of my Win7 computers since it was released, something like two years ago.

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        • #219124 Reply

          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Lounger

          I just looked and it isn’t listed anywhere when I check for updates so I assume that it would have to be downloaded from the MS catalog.

          • #219125 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            The SSU won’t show up in the queue in Windows Update unless there are NO OTHER pending updates (checked or upnchecked) in the important update queue. You would have to hide all else to see it.

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            • #219148 Reply

              CADesertRat
              AskWoody Lounger

              In other words, I should get it from the MS Update Catalog then and install it.

            • #219456 Reply

              CADesertRat
              AskWoody Lounger

              I got KB3177467 from the MS catalog and installed it and went to WU and did the Sept. updates. The Rollup, .NET, and MSRT .

              I just finished and all seems fine so far 🙂

    • #218904 Reply

      anonymous

      Hmm, now that servicing stack updates will be marked as Security updates I wonder what kind of telemetry Microsoft will slip in with them to facilitate snooping on those systems that had assiduously avoided anything that was non-security related.

      Paranoid?  Maybe.  But just ’cause I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after me.

      • #218913 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        The telemetry will NOT be in the SSU.

        However, it looks the telemetry will be included in at least the Rollup beginning with the current 2018-09 Preview Rollup and starting with the Oct. SQMR. See @abbodi86 ‘s post here.

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        • #219070 Reply

          OldBiddy
          AskWoody Lounger

          Sheesh, this is disappointing about the forced telemetry if one stays with Group A. I don’t think I could revert to Group B at this point, so I guess I’m stuck with this when it starts in October.

    • #218926 Reply

      cesmart4125
      AskWoody Lounger

      The last paragraph in John T Wilcox’s answer contains this killer sentence,

      Today, we test each month’s patches against a known configuration of Windows 10 before we ship a release.

      Others have expressed skeptical views of Microsoft’s testing process, and one contributor mentioned he was on the team fired by MS.  His or her team formerly tested updates before release.  These views and contributions have made me wonder if my next laptop will be a Macbook or Macbook Pro.

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  woody.
    • #218933 Reply

      Nibbled To Death By Ducks
      AskWoody Lounger

      “Today, we test each month’s patches against a known configuration of Windows 10 before we ship a release. Each update includes all the previous fixes necessary to bring a device forward to a fully patched and current state, provided it has the latest monthly update installed.”

      This seems to imply, “As for Windows 8.1 and Windows 7, “rotsa ruck, G.I.”

      (sigh)

      Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "A/B [negative] :)", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations, "Notify but do not download or install without asking."

      --

      "The more kinks you put in the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the pipes!" -Scotty

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    • #218956 Reply

      dgreen
      AskWoody Lounger

      Did a search on “installed updates”.
      KB3177467 was installed on 11/12/17.
      That’s when I got a new hard drive and Windows 7 was reloaded via Staples.
      Staples didn’t reload all the updates so when I got home I deceided to just go Group A.
      Personally, I’m glad I did.
      Now, I just wait for the go ahead here before I do any monthly rollups.
      Makes my life easier.
      Haven’t had any issues whatsover.  (knock on wood)

      I’ve said before, when my Windows 7 goes belly up,
      Chromebook will be in my future.
      Up until just a few weeks ago, I did not know that there was a usb Ethernet Adapter for Chromebooks.
      For me, that is why I didn’t go with a chromebook last Nov.
      My desktop is hooked up with Verizon DSL via ethernet.
      I like that.
      No wifi for me.  Not interested one bit.

      Dell Inspiron 660 (new hard drive installed and Windows 7 reloaded Nov. 2017)
      Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP 1  GROUP A
      Processor:  Intel i3-3240 (ivy bridge 3rd generation)
      chipset Intel (R) 7 series/C216
      chipset family SATA AHCI Controller -1 E02
      NIC Realtek PCLE GBE Family Controller

      MSE antivirus
      Chrome browser

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  dgreen.
      • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  dgreen.
    • #219131 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Lounger

      Okay, I got KB3177467 from the Microsoft Update Catalog and saved it as an .msu file.  I never saw it, so I never got it before.  I’m really hoping I’ll be doing the right thing by installing it given that I’ve managed to do updates through August of this year without any problems.  It’s labeled critical so here goes.  Hopefully I can uninstall it if something goes wrong.  But everyone seems so positive about this.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Group B

      • #219156 Reply

        anonymous

        If the SSUs for Win7 are like those for Win10, they’re uninstallable.

        • #219190 Reply

          anonymous

          Correction – meant to say they’re not uninstallable.  They can’t be uninstalled.

    • #219162 Reply

      OldBiddy

      I’m wondering now, what will Group A people do with the forthcoming changes to the roll ups that will include telemetry? I moved away from Group B last year when it became more untenable to manually install security only updates. Is the telemetry terribly difficult to tolerate if one sticks with Group A? I’m not a power Windows user, just use Chrome for email, some Office applications, some limited surfing so I don’t know how much information MS will glean from this.

    • #219480 Reply

      anonymous

      The Service Stack Update that will only appear on Windows Updates when all other offered updates have either been installed or hidden has been a description that was nagging at me. I really felt there was some credit to be given, but could not recall who should receive it. While looking into another matter I stumbled across this from last year.

      MrBrian wrote on October 9, 2017:

      For those interested in why every update in Windows Update needs to be either installed or hidden (at least temporarily), here are the two reasons.

      Here are two related topics:

      Group B – Win7/8.1 “Missing” updates, Hiding Rollups, Security-only patches

      Group A (Win 7 and 8.1) might be missing updates if don’t hide unwanted updates

      which included these links to prior work he had done:
      https://askwoody.com/forums/topic/group-b-win78-1-missing-updates-hiding-rollups-security-only-patches/
      https://askwoody.com/forums/topic/group-a-win-7-and-8-1-might-be-missing-updates-if-dont-hide-unwanted-updates/

      Thank you, MrBrian

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    • #230640 Reply

      anonymous

      Hello together,

      we have the similar problem at server 2012r2 images. But Microsoft doesn’t publish a new version of the SSU.

       

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