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    • #102968 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Full report in the morning.
      [See the full post at: Windows 10 Creators Update “RTM” build 15063 downloading now]

    • #102971 Reply

      PhotM
      AskWoody Lounger

      Tonight UUP D/L only….
      Tomorrow Morning Full ESD (?ISO?)

      MARCH 20, 2017 7:02 PM
      Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15063 for PC and Mobile
      https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/03/20/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-15063-pc-mobile/

      By Brandon LeBlanc

      The upgrade path from the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (Build 14393) to this Windows 10 Creators Update build is not yet live and will be live tomorrow morning.

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      1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

      SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

      CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
      Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

      2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

      1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
      1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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      Best Regards,

      Crysta

      • #103171 Reply

        PhotM
        AskWoody Lounger

        Dona appears to be rewriting History as compared to above……
        It would appear that the FULL Upgrade is off the table, for today at least.
        Further to that MS IP Staff seem to have gone REALLY Quiet the last time I checked on Twitter, 15:15 PDT.

        MARCH 20, 2017 7:02 PM
        Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15063 for PC and Mobile
        https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/03/20/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-15063-pc-mobile/

        By Dona Sarkar / Software Engineer, Windows and Devices Group

        Hello Windows Insiders!

        Today we are excited to be releasing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15063 for PC and Mobile to Windows Insiders in the Fast ring.

        …….

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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        Best Regards,

        Crysta

      • #103209 Reply

        PhotM
        AskWoody Lounger

        MARCH 20, 2017 7:02 PM
        Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15063 for PC and Mobile
        https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/03/20/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-15063-pc-mobile/

        By Dona Sarkar / Software Engineer, Windows and Devices Group

        Hello Windows Insiders!

        Today we are excited to be releasing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15063 for PC and Mobile to Windows Insiders in the Fast ring.

        Known issues for PC

        The upgrade path from the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (Build 14393) to this Windows 10 Creators Update build is not yet live and will be live tomorrow morning. UPDATE 3/21: The upgrade path from the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (Build 14393) to this build is now live.
        You will be unable to download new (additional) language packs on this build. Currently installed language packs will not be impacted. These will go live later this week. UPDATE 3/21: All additional language packs should now be available.

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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        Best Regards,

        Crysta

    • #102973 Reply

      PhotM
      AskWoody Lounger

      UUP >> ISO is Built.

      I won’t install until I get the Full ESD tomorrow Morning.

      UUP-Converter-v-5.0-Build-15063-Direct-Path-Capture

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      1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

      SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

      CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
      Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

      2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

      1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
      1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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      Best Regards,

      Crysta

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      • #103040 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody MVP

        There is v6 of the converter 🙂
        https://sendit.cloud/xisw1frzufu8

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        • #103051 Reply

          PhotM
          AskWoody Lounger

          I just finished Upgrading to Build 15063, do I have a problem now or can I just use v6 going forward to the next Upgrade?

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          1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

          SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

          CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
          Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

          2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

          1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
          1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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          Best Regards,

          Crysta

          • #103057 Reply

            abbodi86
            AskWoody MVP

            No, nothing critical changed in v6
            only a cosmitic fix for missing x64 in iso name/label

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    • #102981 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP

      Pardon my naivety but how does “Fast Ring” imply “RTM”, even with the quotes?

      -Noel

      • #102983 Reply

        PhotM

        I am trying to do this from my Phone…..

        RTM is a declaration. It could be from FAST or SLOW. It will be made when the powers that be at MS decides to call it. Does that mean the Build Number is finished, Nope, realy it means it is Starting a new phase preparing for going Live about 2-3 weeks later, which is called CB.

        • #102985 Reply

          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody MVP

          Right. And in the world I find makes sense only ONE build is considered the RTM. The title of this thread implies 15063 is it. I don’t see any evidence that it is.

          RTM means “Release to Manufacturing” – i.e., in the old days the build that got duplicated onto all kinds of media. It probably still quite literally means that, since Microsoft does still sell boxed DVDs.

          -Noel

          • #102986 Reply

            Kirsty
            AskWoody MVP

            RTM means “Release to Manufacturing”

            Thank you! I was wondering what that stood for 😉

          • #102988 Reply

            ch100
            AskWoody MVP

            I would think that for Windows 10, only 1507 should be considered RTM.
            Anything else is CB Feature Update when released.
            1607 may be excepted though as it made into a Server and Desktop LTSB releases, so it can be considered Windows 11 RTM 🙂

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          • #102995 Reply

            radosuaf
            AskWoody Lounger

            Right. And in the world I find makes sense only ONE build is considered the RTM. The title of this thread implies 15063 is it. I don’t see any evidence that it is. RTM means “Release to Manufacturing” – i.e., in the old days the build that got duplicated onto all kinds of media. It probably still quite literally means that, since Microsoft does still sell boxed DVDs. -Noel

            We both know that it may be considered “RTM” when reaches CBB – so in July, I guess :). Right now it would be something like “RTWT” – Release to Wide Tests.

            MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
          • #103025 Reply

            PhotM
            AskWoody Lounger

            Right. And in the world I find makes sense only ONE build is considered the RTM. The title of this thread implies 15063 is it. I don’t see any evidence that it is.

            The BIG issue on this release(RC) is if the Watermark and Time Expiry is in the Build. If they are that tends to preclude the Build. If they are not, they maybe still testing. As I said in another thread, the “Build Distribution System” is in Beta at best(See Bill Kar.’s Blog) though it seems to be running pretty good. We will see later this morning…..

            RTM means “Release to Manufacturing” – i.e., in the old days the build that got duplicated onto all kinds of media. It probably still quite literally means that, since Microsoft does still sell boxed DVDs.

            -Noel

            Mary Jo Foley, myself and others see RTM as being “Released to the Masses(or Mainstream)”, these days. We agree that today “Manufacturing” is a misnomer which it is. The fact is for people around the industry like us, we like RTM, we use RTM, we know roughly what it is saying.

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            1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

            SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

            CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
            Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

            2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

            1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
            1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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            Best Regards,

            Crysta

            • #103045 Reply

              Noel Carboni
              AskWoody MVP

              Mary Jo Foley, myself and others see RTM as being “Released to the Masses(or Mainstream)”, these days. We agree that today “Manufacturing” is a misnomer which it is. The fact is for people around the industry like us, we like RTM, we use RTM, we know roughly what it is saying.

              I’ve been around long enough to know what it means too.

              “Manufacturing” or “Masses (or Mainstream)”, the term when used by itself still identifies just one build, as in “the version and build that ultimately start the base of the Current Branch. I imagine Microsoft will still manufacture DVDs of it for boxed software. They won’t start doing that until it is declared “RTM”.

              Maybe 15063 will be The One. Woody often has inside info, because a good journalist has his sources. 🙂

              My whole point is that, if 15063 is not The One – and given that it’s just gone to the Fast Ring then I can’t imagine anyone could possibly know for sure yet – then the headline should read “potential” RTM build for clarity’s sake. Even “RTM-style build without watermark/expiration” or “RTM-style RC” would state the intention more clearly.

              -Noel

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            • #103055 Reply

              PhotM
              AskWoody Lounger

              Well, perhaps Woody’s resources haven’t be as far on the inside as they may think because Woody has missed it(been lead astray???) at lease once on RTM.

              Aside from RTM as you pointed out, there are CB and CBB. I can’t imagine the MS would “Print” and/or ship either DVD(I would think highly unlikely) or USB Sticks(much more likely) before it is CBB. If they make/print the USB and packaging before CBB one would have an immediate very large CU off the Internet.

              “Manufacturing” or “Masses (or Mainstream)”, the term when used by itself still identifies just one build, as in “the version and build that ultimately start the base of the Current Branch

              That is the way I would understand it, as currently in Build 15rtm.0, CB 15rtm.nnn and CBB 15rtm.xxx.
              The fundamental Build number stays the same. It is the bases points(to borrow from finance) that changes.

              I hope that is clear and correct, at least until MS changes it.

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              1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

              SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

              CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
              Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

              2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

              1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
              1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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              Best Regards,

              Crysta

      • #103018 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        All will be answered shortly…. 🙂

      • #103023 Reply

        PhotM
        AskWoody Lounger

        RTM is a declaration. It could be from FAST or SLOW. It will be made when the powers that be at MS decides to call it. Does that mean the Build Number is finished, Nope, realy it means it is Starting a new phase preparing for going Live about 2-3 weeks later, which is called CB.

        Mods: I don’t know what you can do here but the Anono comment is me but it could be deleted if you can. Once resolved the line can be deleted as well, Thanks!

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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        Best Regards,

        Crysta

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    • #103004 Reply

      radosuaf
      AskWoody Lounger

      I will just leave it here:

      https://twitter.com/Barnacules/status/843995853207437312

      https://twitter.com/Barnacules/status/843996595452502016

      MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
      • #103047 Reply

        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody MVP

        What, you don’t have confidence that the world of hackers (including all the brilliant people right here on this very site) won’t be able to once again ferret out the junkware and control what the OS does?

        We’ve done it every time so far. 😉

        That’s why I’m curious about seeing what’s in it, so I can start that investigation. There was a time when I watched the pre-release build stream, but since Microsoft is doing so very little that’s exciting any more, and they most certainly never acted on any of MY feedback, that just got to be a lot of busywork with no reward.

        -Noel

    • #103059 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      There’s a reason why I put “RTM” in quotes here, and referred to the earlier post as a rumor.

      No fake news here. 🙂

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    • #103069 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody MVP

      No love for just released Preview Rollups on Win 7/8/8.1? 😀

      .NET got one too

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      • #103073 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        There you have it, Woody :):

        “Enabled detection of processor generation and hardware support when PC tries to scan or download updates through Windows Update.”

        MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
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      • #103075 Reply

        PhotM
        AskWoody Lounger

        What happened, can you give us some details?

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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        Best Regards,

        Crysta

      • #103127 Reply

        ch100
        AskWoody MVP

        And few time zone updates released as Update Rollups.
        In the past, the out of band TZ updates were WSUS/Catalog only, I don’t know yet about the current ones.
        Not urgent for most people, they are likely to synchronise the latest time zones changes around this time of the year around the world.

        • #103130 Reply

          ch100
          AskWoody MVP

          I think the metadata for the Preview patches and timezones (not on WU, Catalog and WSUS only) is messed up and will be revised.
          The Preview patches supersede only the November 2016 Preview according to the metadata, while the documentation says something different.
          Same with timezones supersedence for Windows 8.1 and 2012 R2 which is incomplete at the metadata level.

          Those errors may only be cosmetic, but should be corrected at some stage.
          Don’t forget that the main patches are only in Preview, Optional unticked, while the timezones are not offered to the general public. They will likely be included in the April 2017 official monthly rollup.

          Another very interesting observation is that the Windows 10 “emergency” patch released yesterday KB4015438 is only for CB and not CBB or managed installations, not being offered on the enterprise updating tools. In fact, that update does not address bugs for components used normally by those who use the computer for productive purposes.

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          • #103412 Reply

            EP
            AskWoody Lounger

            yup ch100, the TZ supersedences for Win8.1/Server 2012 R2 have been inconsistent & incomplete.
            ex. KB3077715 for Win8.1 is NOT superseded by newer TZ patches like KB3162835 and KB3203884 (perhaps because the all TZ changes/fixes in KB3077715 have not been completely included in newer TZ updates for Win8.1).
            Also MS Update Catalog suggests that KB3162835 for Win8.1 was supposed to be replaced/superseded by KB3203884 for Win8.1 BUT Windows Update still offered me KB3162835 for Win8.1 cuz I didn’t have that one installed although I did have the newer KB3203884 TZ update for Win8.1 installed.

            Seems like KB3203884 for Win8.1 did not completely replace/supersede KB3162835 for Win8.1 even though Microsoft Update Catalog said otherwise.

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            • #103443 Reply

              abbodi86
              AskWoody MVP

              KB3077715 include tzsync.exe utility (schedule task SynchronizeTimeZone)

              KB3203884 (and now KB4012864) are catalog only, not recognozed by WU
              i don’t know why they don’t supersede KB3162835 with Monthly Rollup on metadata

      • #103173 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss
        • #103179 Reply

          ch100
          AskWoody MVP

          I am not in favour of installing old OS on newer than OS hardware.
          Those who do against all common-sense recommendations, should not expect for solutions, as they know better.

          • #103188 Reply

            PhotM
            AskWoody Lounger

            I am not in favour of installing old OS on newer than OS hardware.
            Those who do against all common-sense recommendations, should not expect for solutions, as they know better.

            It took me a while to hear what you as saying. I kept coming up with it backwards. Dyslexia perhaps???? Let me run this by you…..

            If I buy today’s hardware(vintage W 10.0) I should stick to W 10.
            If I buy yesterdays hardware(vintage W 8.1) I should stick to W 8.1 or higher.
            If I buy yesteryears hardware(vintage W 8.0) I should stick to W 8.0 or higher.
            If I buy years ago hardware(vintage W 7) I should stick to W 7 or higher.
            Note (my add): on the last one, the later OS maybe problematic with the older hardware.
            My tower hardware is vintage W 7. So far it is handling the new OS(W 10.0 Pro IP Fast Ring) with one exception. I have a USB v 4.0 Bluetooth dongle and I have just started getting low power management Events being thrown, saying that feature is not available.

            Now CH100 is thes the essence of what you are imparting?

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            1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

            SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

            CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
            Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

            2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

            1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
            1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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            Best Regards,

            Crysta

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            • #103205 Reply

              ch100
              AskWoody MVP

              It is exactly so. 😀

              What I say is that you should stick with whatever is supported, not that you must. But then, whoever uses an unsupported method, should do the hard work and not expecting others to bail them out or blame the manufacturers.

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        • #103190 Reply

          abbodi86
          AskWoody MVP

          The Preview Rollup itself block future usage of WU on these processors, not that WU blocked Preview Rollup 🙂

          all future rollups will have this restriction, so i guess it’s a lost cause

          manual installation (through dism, not msu) seems to be working fine

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          • #103195 Reply

            PhotM
            AskWoody Lounger

            The Preview Rollup itself block future usage of WU on these processors, not that WU blocked Preview Rollup 🙂

            all future rollups will have this restriction, so i guess it’s a lost cause

            manual installation (through dism, not msu) seems to be working fine

            So the actual MSU is blocking itself? That would mean than the WSUSOffline would be blocked too?

            ----------------------------------------

            1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

            SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

            CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
            Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

            2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

            1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
            1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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            Best Regards,

            Crysta

            • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by  Kirsty. Reason: Minimised mega smiley
            • #103198 Reply

              woody
              Da Boss

              If true, that’s distressing!

            • #103199 Reply

              PhotM
              AskWoody Lounger

              Well Woody, we have seen COUCH Vitriol against Microsoft with everything that Microsoft has done to date. This very easily could push people right up against the wall. I’d guess we should get prepared for that???

              How are you at writing SCATHING articles….. O.o 😉 hehehehe 😆

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              1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

              SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

              CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
              Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

              2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

              1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
              1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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              Best Regards,

              Crysta

              • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by  PhotM.
            • #103231 Reply

              Noel Carboni
              AskWoody MVP

              My Win 7 system has been in group W since mid last year and is utterly reliable.

              My Win 8.1 system got this past December’s updates in late January, after they were deemed good, and has been utterly reliable.

              We’ve skipped a few months since then owing to Microsoft’s inability to even deliver updates at all.

              Weighing these things:

              • Months of solid uptime, no glitches.
              • Microsoft’s apparent implosion, plenty of problems reported against the March updates, even worse stuff on the horizon…

              I knew the day would come when I would consider group W for my Win 8.1 system as well. I suppose I should be thankful to Microsoft for making the choice so easy.

              Maybe there will be an update worth having in the future, and maybe there won’t.

              -Noel

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            • #103201 Reply

              abbodi86
              AskWoody MVP

              No, not like that

              the rollup have updated version of Windows Update Agent, which have this restriction

              and installing from msu file uses WUA engine to check as well, so the result would be the same

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            • #103204 Reply

              woody
              Da Boss

              So there’s no way for a normal user to install the Monthly Rollups. Correct?

              What about manual installation of the Security-Only patches? Are those MSU files blocked, too?

            • #103211 Reply

              PKCano
              AskWoody MVP

              So the questions follow:
              Will uninstalling it fix the problem, or is the restriction there to stay, uninstallable?
              If you don’t install the latest WUA, will you experience the never-ending search for updates again?
              So if you are Group B and you move to group A, you’re dead.

              Hello Canadian Tech’s Group W!!

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            • #103216 Reply

              woody
              Da Boss

              That’s exactly what I’m wondering.

              If you’re in Group B, can you stay in Group B and still be able to install Security-only patches?

              If you’re in Group B and you mistakenly try to install a Monthly Rollup, apparently the Rollup won’t go through. But will it leave your machine in such a state that you can’t install Security-only patches again?

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            • #103260 Reply

              radosuaf
              AskWoody Lounger

              That’s exactly what I’m wondering. If you’re in Group B, can you stay in Group B and still be able to install Security-only patches? If you’re in Group B and you mistakenly try to install a Monthly Rollup, apparently the Rollup won’t go through. But will it leave your machine in such a state that you can’t install Security-only patches again?

              What I am also wondering is… How does it work? Can Rollups can be uninstallled completely? In theory, if you have the fully updated 8.1 as of now (22 March 2017) and you install November 2017 Rollup, when you uninstall it, will you get back to March state? If so, you could just uninstall the prior-to-latest rollup and install the new one each month. WU should not prevent you you from installing the latest rollup, since the CPU identification code is IN the rollup.

               

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            • #103271 Reply

              ch100
              AskWoody MVP

              In theory, if you have the fully updated 8.1 as of now (22 March 2017) and you install November 2017 Rollup, when you uninstall it, will you get back to March state?

              I assume this is a typo.
              November 2017 Rollup means in fact March 2017 Preview Rollup or maybe April 2017 Monthly Rollup? 🙂

              Or if I misunderstood your example and there is no typo involved, you would roll-back to which rollup was last installed, not necessary March 2017. At least in theory, but don’t bet on everything to be working as expected. 🙂
              You mention in your example 22 March 2017 as last rollup installed.
              The preview rollups have supersedence handled only in relation to preview rollups.
              It is weird and it appears like you have 2 streams of choice.
              One is the mainstream second Patch Tuesday, the “official” Patch Tuesday, highly recommended, but a second option too, which means installing only Preview Patches on Third Patch Tuesday or Patch Tuesday C as it is designated in the Microsoft blogs.
              This means that the supersedence is not clearly handled between the Preview patches and the regular officially released ones. This is also the case between the Security Only and Security and Quality patches.
              Microsoft has created a big problem for themselves and should only release the patches coming currently on Windows Update (Group A) and discontinue anything else.
              This would be consistent with the Windows 10 model, less the forced updates.

            • #103273 Reply

              radosuaf
              AskWoody Lounger

              I assume this is a typo.

              No, not a typo :). Let’s hypothetically assume I have KL or Ryzen and since I am scared of the new MS policy, I do not apply any patches until November 2017. Obviously, the November cumulative rollup SHOULD install (because I still don’t have this CPU ID code installed). Then WU should be blocked because I own an unsupported CPU. So I unistall November rollup – and if it’s fully uninstallable I am back to March 2017 state and I can install December 2017 rollup (there is no CPU ID). I guess we need to wait until May to test it :).

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            • #103264 Reply

              ch100
              AskWoody MVP

              So the questions follow:
              Will uninstalling it fix the problem, or is the restriction there to stay, uninstallable?
              If you don’t install the latest WUA, will you experience the never-ending search for updates again?

              I don’t know the exact answer which @abbodi86 probably does, but I believe that by uninstalling the offending patch, the system reverts back to the previous state. In the worst case scenario, there may be some registry cleanup needed after uninstall in case the patch sets flags for incompatible hardware, but otherwise it should be OK.
              In relation to the other issue, it has already proved many times that the agent version only matters because it works around too many other patches superseding each other, so in normal conditions there should be no issue. Even if the slowing down will come back one day which is very possible, there will always be one or more top of the chain patches which can be installed manually and resolve the issue of slowing down. Also as Dalai proved and many of us verified not so long ago, the patches which matter most in the slowing down and resolving the related issues are exclusively security patches, in particular kernel/graphics patches which belong to Group B anyway. This means that this can be resolved relatively easy too.
              The only issue that I think will catch a lot of end-users unprepared is the complexity related to the procedures involved and those complicated procedures are not for everyone to apply, but only for those ready to spend the time required, because there will inherently be differences between hardware, people in Group B will miss patches because they don’t have a reference to a baseline and this is a certain recipe for trouble ahead.

            • #103316 Reply

              woody
              Da Boss

              I’d like to continue this discussion over here:

              ARGH. Here’s the correct link:

              https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/first-sightings-of-the-win7-update-block-for-kaby-lake-and-ryzen-processors/

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            • #103320 Reply

              radosuaf
              AskWoody Lounger

              That would be quite misleading as it is not in any way connected with Windows 10.

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            • #103415 Reply

              EP
              AskWoody Lounger

              PKCano: If you have KB3172605 for Win7 SP1 or KB3172614 for Win8.1 installed/retained, the “never-ending search for updates” problem won’t happen after removing/uninstalling the March 2017 Preview Rollups (KB4012218 for Win7/KB4012219 for Win8.1)

            • #103419 Reply

              PKCano
              AskWoody MVP

              I wasn’t talking about now. I meant in the future. KB3172605 has the latest WU client NOW. But if it’s successors are included in the Rollups and you only install the security-only updates, eventually you won’t have the latest WU client. That was a problem before.

    • #103131 Reply

      ch100
      AskWoody MVP

      .NET got one too

      I don’t see any .NET specific patches.

    • #103233 Reply

      PhotM
      AskWoody Lounger

      For me this is a big DEAL, FULL ESD is part of my Recovery process if need!!!

      W-10.0-IP-Build-15063-FULL-ESD-Capture

      This is only part of my need for the FULL ESD, it also goes on my Recovery Drive. I can then run DISM /RestoreHealth against it.

      W-10.0-IP-Build-15063-FULL-ESD-to-ISO-Capture-1

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      1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

      SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

      CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
      Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

      2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

      1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
      1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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      Best Regards,

      Crysta

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      • #103398 Reply

        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody MVP

        Bravo.

        It’s a shame that so few people anticipate problems and know and use the Recovery Drive process (aka Create System Repair Disc in Win 7).

        Double bravo for taking it one step further and make sure you have a clean image from which a DISM /RestoreHealth can be done.

        Is there a process for keeping that recovery image fully up to date after Windows Updates? Or do you just assume that a full restoral means dropping back to the installed image, to which updates would need to be applied again? I’ve wondered whether the packaged “Create Recovery Drive” process creates a fully up-to-date recovery image.

        -Noel

        • #103499 Reply

          PhotM
          AskWoody Lounger

          Bravo.

          It’s a shame that so few people anticipate problems and know and use the Recovery Drive process (aka Create System Repair Disc in Win 7).

          Have you ever successfully used the Recovery Drive or System Repair Disc, Noel? I had tried it on a rare 2 or 3 times over the years and I never have. I have always needed to the IPU, In Place Update.

          Double bravo for taking it one step further and make sure you have a clean image from which a DISM /RestoreHealth can be done.

          😀 With IP Fast, one will get(we used to get ESD’s always) ESD’s every so often with UUP Delta files for builds in between. On a release cadence, one will get a new ISO 3 times, IP(Slow) release, CB release, CBB release. From the ISO one can extract the ESD/WIM from the ISO easily.

          Is there a process for keeping that recovery image fully up to date after Windows Updates? Or do you just assume that a full restoral means dropping back to the installed image, to which updates would need to be applied again?

          Usually one would do and IPU and the Updates/CU’s….

          If one gets dexterous with DISM, one can extract a separate image from ones partition Image in an OFFLINE mode. I have dabbled but did not feel to confident at the time to complete. I have more experience now since then I should try it again. There is also a Sysinternals Tool “Disk 2 VHD Converter” which can be useful. Along with the advancements in my Paragon Suite around VHD, I could look at that as well. Lots of option to explore. I think all of this is second nature for @abbodi86 though…..

          I’ve wondered whether the packaged “Create Recovery Drive” process creates a fully up-to-date recovery image.

          -Noel

          I wouldn’t walk across the street for them tell you the truth…. 😀

          Thank You for the support, Noel, you have been very special too….. 😀

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          SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

          CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
          Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

          2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

          1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
          1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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          Best Regards,

          Crysta

          • #103500 Reply

            Noel Carboni
            AskWoody MVP

            Have you ever successfully used the Recovery Drive or System Repair Disc, Noel?

            I’ve not had much chance as my systems have just worked, but I HAVE booted from one on a few occasions.

            I recall when I switched from HDDs to SSDs back when I was running Win 7 I booted the System Repair Disc then just restored my system image backup from a USB MyBook drive.

            I guess for basic bootability the original disc (yes, I bought Win 8.1 in a box) would do.

            I haven’t fooled with the recovery aspect of Win 10 much at all, except to test the advanced boot stuff and do some test system restores from there.

            -Noel

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    • #103243 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody MVP

      So there’s no way for a normal user to install the Monthly Rollups. Correct? What about manual installation of the Security-Only patches? Are those MSU files blocked, too?

      Theoretically (since i don’t have any of these cpu to tes), yes there are
      by downloading the msu file from MU catalog, extract inner cab file, then use DISM to install the package
      but that means the user will not be able to use WU to check for other updates, Office as example

      all MSU files use WUA engine, so the Security-Only patches will be directly blocked too
      but with DISM, they would work

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      • #103265 Reply

        ch100
        AskWoody MVP

        Users in so-called Group B can’t use Windows Update anyway.
        They may find Microsoft Update useful for Office patches though.

        • #103272 Reply

          radosuaf
          AskWoody Lounger

          Users in so-called Group B can’t use Windows Update anyway. They may find Microsoft Update useful for Office patches though.

          You’d still want to check if there is anything else applying to your system than the monthly rollup…

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      • #103486 Reply

        PhotM
        AskWoody Lounger

        abbodi86,

        You know, if you look at the middle screenshot in my Post above(I did not insert that one) you will see that it is throwing an .xml error. That converter, I have used for over 2 years until this last time. I believe you programmed that one as well. That software hung in there very well. RIP! The only thing I did was turned off “Decryption” of the ESD.

        The right most(Posted shot) is the first time I have used your current one. It worked well…. 😀

        Thank You for taking care of our conversion needs! :Thumbs UP: 😀

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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        Best Regards,

        Crysta

        • #103557 Reply

          abbodi86
          AskWoody MVP

          Yeah, i believe that’s a very old version, and it seems not mine directly, someone modified it

          the latest one is still good 🙂

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          • #103752 Reply

            PhotM
            AskWoody Lounger

            …….

            the latest one is still good 🙂

            OH YES! It works great! Even though, I did keep it, because I had to roll back to get the FULL ESD. I did the Upgrade with your Full ESD output and it worked just fine. I saw no problems in the short time I was on it. I then rolled forward to the existing UUP Upgrade, both done by your ISO. 😀

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            1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 4TB, Memory 32GB

            SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

            CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
            Graphics Radeon 6880, Neither Over Clocked

            2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

            1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
            1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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            Best Regards,

            Crysta

    • #103244 Reply

      ch100
      AskWoody MVP

      Note (my add): on the last one, the later OS maybe problematic with the older hardware.
      My tower hardware is vintage W 7. So far it is handling the new OS(W 10.0 Pro IP Fast Ring) with one exception. I have a USB v 4.0 Bluetooth dongle and I have just started getting low power management Events being thrown, saying that feature is not available.

      Crysta, I think we agree here.
      I have the same type of problems with a Dell XPS without support for Windows 10 and less so with an even older HP laptop which seems to cope well too.
      But this is my own problem and I am not going to blame Intel for limited support for the graphics card or Dell for no support at all for computers sold 6-8 years ago.
      Dell and HP and anyone else involved sold those computers with Windows 7 and Windows 7 as it was sold works exactly in the same way like at the date when it was sold to me.
      I use Windows 10 because I choose so, not because I have an entitlement to it when the manufacturer says not to do so.
      A lot of people get emotional, they want to have their cake and eat it too and somehow believe that the rest of the world owes them personalised support for mass manufactured products for whatever reason.
      For some weird reason, computers are not (yet) human and behave in the same way as they were programmed and don’t care about people’s feelings.
      Cortana or Siri may assist with this, who knows 🙂

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    • #103376 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody MVP

      What I am also wondering is… How does it work? Can Rollups can be uninstallled completely? In theory, if you have the fully updated 8.1 as of now (22 March 2017) and you install November 2017 Rollup, when you uninstall it, will you get back to March state? If so, you could just uninstall the prior-to-latest rollup and install the new one each month. WU should not prevent you you from installing the latest rollup, since the CPU identification code is IN the rollup.

      This sounds a very good plan

      but the only downsize is that, uninstalling/reverting WUA version to previous one wipes WU database (DataStore.edb), and needs to be rebuilt each time

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      • #103409 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody Lounger

        AND also by wiping/erasing the DataStore.edb file, you will need to re-hide certain updates that you have hidden in the past since WU will show those hidden updates again.

        note to radosuaf: there’s no such thing as a “November 2017 Rollup” at least not yet – please edit your post ASAP

        Edit 3/22: KB4012218 for Win7 SP1 contains WUA version 7.6.7601.23714 while KB4012219 contains WUA version 7.9.9600.18621.

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      • #105900 Reply

        Volume Z
        AskWoody Lounger

        This only happens if an Update Client version prior to 7.6.7601.18847 gets restored. 🙂

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