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      • #2321658
        anonymous
        Guest

        I read several weeks ago about how Susan Bradley’s felt about Home vs. Pro and I’m sure that others are of the mind set.  Susan said everybody on Home should upgrade to Pro, which cost about $100.00, but it was phrased like $100.00 was just such a trivial amount of money.  She inferred that with the Pro version you apparently have more control over your machine (that would be great), but I’m sorry to inform you that $100.00 is a lot of money, especially for a senior on a fixed income.  Do I forgo food or medicine to be able to upgrade my computer.  I am not out to attack Susan Bradley on her statement because upgrading to Pro would probably be a good thing.  If I had an extra $100.00 lying around and had nothing better to do with it, I would upgrade to Pro.  But the reality is that this is just not the case and for the majority of people I know, it is just out of the question, including me.  So I need a solution to deal with the computer and software that I have now.  Quite often deciding between food and medicine is a very real on going choice for people.  When you have to look at everything and decide if it is a life necessity or a want (no matter how great that want is), you learn very quickly what is really important.  Sometimes when people are comfortable and their needs are all taken care of and they have most of their wants, they forget that others are not as abundantly blessed.  That’s not a put down to anyone, it is reality.  It seems that the majority of your members have the Pro version and most solutions pertain to that version.  The rest of your members are kind of on our own.  Maybe I’m the only one that feels that way, but I know that it is not just me by other posts I have read.  Just remember that people need a practical solution to the computer and software they have because financially they can’t be spending money to upgrade or replace things every time some problems comes along or now there’s a better version on the market.  There will always be something newer, however maybe not better coming out on the market.  Buy a computer and a year later it is almost obsolete – that is the way of technology, whether that is good or not.

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      • #2321685
        PKCano
        Manager

        For those with WIn10 Home, there is a way to control Windows Update. It is explained in AKB2000016 Guide for Windows Update Settings for Win10 Sections 1 and 2. If you need help implementing the instructions, please feel free to ask us for assistance.

      • #2321882
        Rick Corbett
        AskWoody_MVP

        It seems that the majority of your members have the Pro version and most solutions pertain to that version. The rest of your members are kind of on our own. Maybe I’m the only one that feels that way, but I know that it is not just me by other posts I have read.

        A very good point, and well made IMO.

        It’s for this very reason that I prefer trying to find (and post) fixes for ‘Home’ editions… because this ‘consumer’ edition is what most folks buy.

      • #2321908
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        but I’m sorry to inform you that $100.00 is a lot of money,

        You can still get Windows 10 Professional 1-PC retail licence (you can move the license from PC to PC) for $39.99

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        • #2321987
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          $40 is still a lot for someone on low income, to provide something that can be done free of charge.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2322010
            jdamkeene
            AskWoody Lounger

            How would you go about upgrading a laptop running Windows 10 Home, 64-bit, to Windows 10 Pro for free?  I do not have any older PC or laptop with a Pro license, such Windows 7 Pro or Windows 8 Pro.

            Thanks for the help.

            • #2322011
              joep517
              AskWoody MVP

              Sorry, you can’t upgrade for free unless you have an old pro license for win 7/8/8.1.

              --Joe

          • #2322004
            jdamkeeke
            Guest

            I was pleased to see that there are still people who understand the situation which many seniors and others on fixed incomes face. Yes, $40.00 for some is a drop in the bucket, but for others on low incomes it is a great deal of money.  Especially today, people are out of work and are having trouble providing the everyday necessities for their families.  If there is a way of updating to the Pro version of Windows 10, I would like to know how and to be able to share that information with others.  I am sure there are many people who feel the same way.  If there is a way to upgrade to the Pro version, would you please consider sharing that information with others or steer them in the right direction.  I’m sure your kindness would be returned to you many fold.  Thank you and stay safe and healthy.

            • #2322105
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              You do not need Pro to be able to control Windows Updates.

              Set the network connection to “metered” – see #2321685.
              Download WUmgr and use it instead of Windows Update.

              cheers, Paul

      • #2322853
        WSBirdLady
        AskWoody Lounger

        I am also a Windows 10 Home User (on my husband’s computer) version 1909.  The only reason I would consider upgrading to Pro is because of all the update problems, and even then I could only forestall things for a period of time.  We shouldn’t have to spend more to protect ourselves from a poorly-thought-out Microsoft patching strategy.  Updates on this machine are paused right now, awaiting the go-ahead for the December patches.  As I understand it allowing updates to resume is like clicking Check For Updates, and I may end up with version 2004, which I don’t particularly want until I have to accept it.

        At some time in the future, my own Windows 7 computer will give up the ghost and I am seriously considering migrating away from Microsoft entirely and buying a Mac.  The only thing I would really miss is my Outlook email, because I still like to have my email on my machine and not in the cloud.  I will be researching alternatives.

        I stopped updating my Windows 7 in October 2016.  Once I loss the opportunity to pick and choose updates and timing, I disabled Windows updates.  I have had no problems, because I am a very careful user and I back up everything frequently.  So my experience makes it harder for me to just accept all the problems–minor and not so minor–that come with Microsoft’s current patching strategy.  And paying more for only a bit more control.

        • This reply was modified 1 month ago by WSBirdLady.
        • #2322855
          PKCano
          Manager

          There is a procedure in AKB2000016 Guide for Windows Update Settings Section 2 for preventing WU from upgrading you to the next Feature version (TargerReleaseVersion). Read it carefully, and if you have questions, ask. It will keep you on 1909 until you are ready to upgrade to e 2004 or later.

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          • #2323329
            WSBirdLady
            AskWoody Lounger

            Thanks, I just read it carefully and will make the registry entries to remain on version 1909, at least for now.

      • #2322871
        PaulK
        AskWoody Lounger

        The only thing I would really miss is my Outlook email, because I still like to have my email on my machine and not in the cloud. I will be researching alternatives.

        You should be able to use a POP account in Thunderbird. For example:
        OutlookPOP

        https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.6.0/system-requirements/
        Firefox also.
        https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-release

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        • #2323330
          WSBirdLady
          AskWoody Lounger

          Thanks, I forgot about Thunderbird.  A friend at work uses it.

      • #2322968
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        The only thing I would really miss is my Outlook email

        You can get Outlook on Mac, same as on PC. Check out the apple store or MS.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2326136
        ve9kk
        AskWoody Plus

        I just installed Win 10 home 64 bit and wanted to upgrade to pro 64-bit, and I was happy to read if I had a Win7 pro 64-bit key I could do it. I followed the steps to upgrade, and I enter my Win pro 7 lic but the upgrade failed. The message that was displayed was “The product key you entered didn’t work. Check the product key (I did and re-entered it several times) try again or enter a different one. (OxcOO4f050)

        Am I correct in thinking that this lic did not work, and I am going to have to pay for a pro lic upgrade?

        Thanks

        Mike

        • #2326140
          PKCano
          Manager

          If the key is an OEM license, it is only licensed to the original PC on which it was installed. In other words, if the PC was bought with Win7 installed and the key is the one on the sticker on that PC, the license is valid ONLY on that PC. You cannot use that license key to upgrade to Win10 on any other PC.

          If the key is a RETAIL license, it can be used on one PC, then transferred to another PC providing it is uninstalled from the original PC. The license can only be used on ONE machine at a time. A RETAIL license key can be used to upgrade a PC from Home to Pro.

          There is information here describing error OxcOO4f050

          https://windowsreport.com/windows-10-0xc004f050/

        • #2326173
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Why do you want Pro?
          There is almost nothing you can’t do with Home – Bitlocker is the only reason I would use Pro, but Veracrypt is $100 cheaper (no Pro upgrade).

          cheers, Paul

        • #2326264
          b
          AskWoody Plus

          (0xc004f050)

          Try the generic key first while disconnected (which worked for a bunch of people with that error):

          I am unable to upgrade Win 10 Home to Pro – error 0xc004f050

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        • #2334635
          JulianHicks
          AskWoody Lounger

          I’ve only installed Win 10 Pro from scratch using a Win 7 Pro key but according to a forum elsewhere, it was suggested the following steps should work:

          1. You do a temporary upgrade from Win 10 Home to Win 10 Pro by upgrading using the standard Win10 Pro ‘default’ key  – VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T
          2. This is effectively a ‘trail’ use of Win 10 Pro.
          3. Now you’re on a ‘limited use’ Win 10 Pro, you can now use your Win 7 Pro key to validate the update and make the Win 10 Pro permanent.
      • #2326261
        ve9kk
        AskWoody Plus

        The licence is a retail version but I rebuilt my PC with a new motherboard, upgraded CPU and new SSD. He old drive that had Win 7 I reformatted and use it for backups. I never uninstalled Win 7. So I’m wondering if I’m out of luck?
        Mike

        • #2326265
          PKCano
          Manager

          I think you should try contacting MS. Given it’s the same PC, and that it’s a Retail license, they should give you the activation code as described in the above link.

          You may have to put the generic Win10 key in first, then change it once you have Win10 installed. You can Google for the generic code (I don’t have it available at the moment). But at the very least, a call to MS should work.

      • #2326459
        ve9kk
        AskWoody Plus

        Good evening all, I did contact MS via chat (did not know you could do that) and all I can say is “WOW very frustrating! I told them very clearly what I wanted to do and on more than 3 occasions they said “so what is it you want to do update to Win 7 pro?” “Are you wanting to downgrade from Win10 pro to Win10 home” it just went on and on very frustrating. I was then transferred to other chats that were incorrect, and I ended up back at the chat I left.

        Below was their final answer:
        Thanks for confirming, Mike. As I checked from my resources, we cannot upgrade Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro using a Windows 7 Pro key. In this case, we will need to have Windows10 Pro key to upgrade.

        I am just going to keep with Win7 home and move on to other things. Thanks everyone in the group for your help and advice.
        Mike

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        • #2326470
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Microsoft is right. You can’t set Windows 10 Home to Pro with Windows 7 Pro key.
          You could upgrade Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro with Windows 7 key.

          • #2326474
            ve9kk
            AskWoody Plus

            I’m guessing it was a misunderstanding on my part.

            Mike

             

      • #2326516
        Bob99
        Guest

        If I recall correctly (IIRC) the co$t for the upgrade from 10 Home to 10 Pro is US $99. Something to think about, since we now know that apparently you aren’t supposed to be able to go from 10 Home to 10 Pro using a 7 Pro retail license.

        Seriously, very nice try! Good way of thinking outside the box!  🙂  👍

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