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    This topic contains 11 replies, has 7 voices, and was last updated by  Paul T 2 hours, 23 minutes ago.

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    • #2110435 Reply

      bsfinkel
      AskWoody Lounger

      I am planning on a fresh install of Windows 10 64-bit to “replace” my Windows 7 32-bit.  I was under the impression that with Win 10 Pro I can control the installation of Windows Update patches, but on Home I do not have that control.  I was at a meeting this afternoon and someone told me that I have patch control with Win 10 Home.  Who is correct?  I do not want Windows to install patches (except MSE/Defender) without my approval.  Thanks.

    • #2110494 Reply

      anonymous

      Neither answer is really correct.  The newest version of Windows 1909 Home includes a few built in options to adjust updates, it has a pause button and when a feature/major update is ready, at first it gives you a download and install button, not installing it until you click.  Pro includes more options, like a defer feature update choice and a defer quality update choice to delay quality updates for up to 60 days.  Pro also includes the group policy editor which includes policies to disable all updates I think and many others like ability to somewhat easily disable Cortana and many other things.

      But either home or pro can run third party update blockers.

      Neither of them works the way that old versions of Windows did where you could pick and choose from a menu of updates.  Most updates are now cumulative, and quite large to download, and include dozens or hundreds of fixes.  You can (with methods posted on this site, or the defer option in pro) delay the January update for a while.  But other than picking to stay on December or November instead of January, there are hardly any choices to make.

      Woody shows a method that works for home or pro users, involving the pause button, whenever he mentions that MS-DEFCON is better than 2, https://www.askwoody.com/2020/ms-defcon-3-no-rush-but-you-should-get-the-january-patch-tuesday-patches-installed/

      There is another method involving the use of wushowhide, which is a Microsoft tool.

      Also see here for another comment about Group Policy https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/advice-on-choosing-win-10-version/

    • #2110521 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      And setting the network connection on Home to “metered” stops auto-download / install of updates – you get a button to press to download / install.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2110533 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      In addition to the above.
      You can block quality (monthly) updates and then pick single KB updates to download and install from Microsoft’s catalog.

      https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=windows+10+1803+x64

    • #2110617 Reply

      anonymous

      Just a reminder that if your version of 7 is Pro you get 10 Pro for free, if your 7 is Home you get 10 Home for free.  7 Ultimate goes to 10 Pro.  If you get Windows 10 home, you can from the Microsoft store upgrade to pro for $100 I think, but this may not be the only source.  Some of the features of Pro are the ability to join a domain, and Bitlocker.  Joining a domain can be necessary to use a computer in many corporate facilities.

    • #2111101 Reply

      bsfinkel
      AskWoody Lounger

      I am confused by the replies. What I do in Win 7 is to allow MSE updates to install without my interaction. For the monthly patches, I normally install MRT as soon as it is available, and I do not install the monthly Win 7 security or .NET updates until Woody gives the “all-clear”.

      From what I read above, I do not have an option of which monthly patches to install; I either install all or none. I am confused about updates that add new features – are these part of monthly security updates? If I decide to postpone a new feature update, will that also postpone the security updates?

      About the “free” upgrade – is that an upgrade install or a fresh install? I want a fresh install of Win 10 to keep my existing Win 7 as a dual boot.

      Thanks.

      • #2111111 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        A Feature Update is actually an upgrade to the next version of Win10. Current versions are v1809, v1903, and v1909. They are released roughly twice a year.
        Monthly Cumulative Updates are like Rollups in Win7. They are released on Patch Tuesday like the Rollups in Win7.

        MSE is not available in Win10. Windows Defender is MS’s built-in AV/Firewall. It gets updates automatically like MSE did in Win7.

        In Win10 you can use wushowhide (a Microsoft tool) to hide updates you don’t want to install and unhide them when you do want to install. But there is basically ONE update for the OS (the CU) so you either install updates or you don’t. ( .NET, Defender, Flash, MSRT are separate from the OS and have their own updates like Win7).

        There are different ways to conrtol updates depending whether you have Home Edition or Pro Edition. With the latter you have more control.

        The install of the “Free” upgrade is your choice. You can choose whether to keep your programs and data, keep only your data, or keep nothing. This choice is presented at the beginning of the install.

      • #2111248 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        About the “free” upgrade – is that an upgrade install or a fresh install? I want a fresh install of Win 10 to keep my existing Win 7 as a dual boot.

        In that case Windows 10 is not free. You used the word “replace” on the first line of this thread.

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

    • #2111116 Reply

      anonymous

      All new features are given only as feature updates which can be taken every 6 months but do not have to be taken for longer than that, officially support lifecycles are at https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

      The other updates including mostly the Patch Tuesday (monthly, second Tuesday) are called quality updates by Microsoft in some documentation or security updates in other places.  In an emergency, an update may be issued “out of band” which means it does not wait for the next update and can be pushed at any time.  The monthly updates are all or none.

      You can take quality updates, for at least the support lifecycle of your version / edition / feature update / without taking feature updates.  The winver command will tell you your version.

      There is also a Microsoft update catalog where you can install individual patches, but it is only a searchable site, it is not like the old update that auto-detects what you need.  This is generally only done by businesses large enough to be very concerned about security and able to test patches on test machines or with a group of beta users.  Even then I think it is mostly done in-between patch Tuesdays.

      The free upgrade, if you know your Windows 7 key (usually from a sticker), can be done as a clean install, however there is risk in that.  The safest way is to do it as an upgrade, and after make sure you are online and show as activated.  Then, once you know it is activated, you can do it again as a clean install.  Or there is a shortcut using “reset my PC” which I think is meant to be similar to a clean install.  Especially if you want to change partitions, doing the second clean install has advantages.

      When installing, if you are online I am not sure if it is easy to avoid creating or using a Microsoft account, if you do not want one.  An easy way to make a local account instead is disconnect from the internet while doing the install.  This can be done easily with an ISO.

      Make a full image backup before, in case you want to go back, and in case you forgot to copy some part of your data or some program or registration key!

    • #2111177 Reply

      anonymous

      Sorry I now see you mention wanting dual boot.  I know nothing about that.

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    • #2171230 Reply

      BigBadSteve
      AskWoody Plus

      You can install Windows 10 to a second partition on your hard drive, rather than s***ing with your working Windows 7 installation. I did, and like many others have been running Windows 7 / Windows 10 multiboot for years. Installing Windows 10 to the new partition will set up a multiboot menu for you (if all goes well!). If you don’t know how to partition a hard disk, it’s time to learn now.

      Before you start, download installer .iso files from Microsoft of both Windows 7 and Windows 10, burn boot disks from them, and check they work (i.e. the created media boots on your computer), in case installing Windows 10 on your computer makes it unbootable and you need to do a boot repair. And do a full partition backup to an external hard drive. If you don’t know how to do any of this, now is time to learn.

      For Windows 10 updates, I followed the advice published on this website, changing settings so that updates are always deferred for 183 days for Feature Updates, and 21 days for Quality Updates. And as recommended here, I never click the ‘Check for updates’ button in Windows. Instead, I periodically use the free Belarc Advisor to show me the list of available updates – it scans the computer in a few minutes, then displays links to the pertinent Microsoft articles, which contain links to download the patches (for each you need to choose the right numbered version of Window 10, 1909, for example, and whether 32 or 64 bit). I follow our beloved Patch Lady’s advice on when to install updates (mostly at the end of the month, giving other bunnies time to unofficially beta test them). Good luck! And do have your full backup done before the Win10 upgrade, and unless you’re very good at fixing Windows technical problems yourself with the aid of a search engine, have contact details of a good computer tech or friendly neighborhood geek at the ready in case it turns out you need them. You might, getting multibooting working the first time is sometimes easy but at worst can be a royal pain.

      • This reply was modified 13 hours ago by  BigBadSteve.
      • #2171405 Reply

        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I expect you’ll need two licenses to dual boot. Anyone have a definitive answer?

        cheers, Paul

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