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    This topic contains 12 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by  skeptamistic 3 weeks, 1 day ago.

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    • #543667 Reply

      Xtype
      AskWoody Plus

      Hi all

      I can anyone recommend any third party solutions to migrate Windows 7 including apps and settings to Windows 10 ?

      thanks in advance …..

    • #544313 Reply

      Canadian Tech
      AskWoody_MVP

      Consider sticking with Windows 7. If it still works, why dump it?

      How would you feel if Ford declared it would no longer support your 2010 Ford?

      The analogy is not far off.

      No more parts! When you go to the dealer you bought it from, they say they will not service it! The gas station will no longer sell you gasoline! Cops stop you and give you a ticket for driving an obsolete car!

      Really sounds ridiculous. Doesn’t it?

      Your Ford still works just fine. Looks good. Does everything you want it to do. The repairman in the neighbourhood says no problem. NAPA still sells parts for your vehicle. Why should you scrap it when you spent a lot of hard-earned money and it still works?

      CT

      • #545524 Reply

        joep517
        AskWoody MVP

        In the USA auto manufacturers are required to provide a servicing solution for anything under warranty. From what I can find there is no obligation for them to supply OEM parts beyond that. It is a decision made be each manufacturer about each model. There may be third party after market parts available for a long time. That is considerably different than an operating system. Windows 7 still works on older systems. Many if not most vendors do not provide Windows 7 drivers for newer equipment. That in itself may be enough impetus to upgrade.

        As far as the OP’s question goes, it all depends on the number of machines to upgrade. Will it be to new systems or upgrade an existing system?

        --Joe

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      • #592305 Reply

        Lugh
        AskWoody_MVP

        How would you feel if Ford declared it would no longer support your 2010 Ford?

        Much the same as if MS said it would no longer support Win10 1803. That’s the rough equivalent of your analogy, given the difference between ‘normal’ years & software/internet years.

        Does Ford still support Edsel?

        Lugh.
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    • #545323 Reply

      Xtype
      AskWoody Plus

      This is for a business application. They will stop support for the app when MS stops security updates at the end of the year. I also have to upgrade server 2008 to 2016..

       

      • #549497 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        there’s also a Server 2019 version. upgrade to the 2019 version instead of 2016 if possible

    • #570150 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      How many machines are we talking here?
      The “standard” method is to create an image file containing all the required programs and other settings, plus drivers for all the hardware you use, then drop the image on each machine. The install takes about half an hour once you have spent a week building and testing – I assume you’ve not done this before, it’s much quicker once you’re set up.

      This Windows Central post has details on unattended set ups.

      cheers, Paul

    • #580508 Reply

      Xtype
      AskWoody Plus

      Thanks Paul

       

      Yes I have done it many times it’s just I am very time poor on this project as they need it done asap.

    • #586752 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      1 day to sort out the image. 40 minutes per machine to be up and running.
      Or, a couple of hours per machine.

      Does it add up?

      cheers, Paul

    • #1993933 Reply

      skeptamistic
      AskWoody Plus

      @PaulT,

      { Sorry to interrupt. I’m a newbie looking for a trailhead. }

      As an end-user, I require some biz apps that will not run on Win7 in 2020 and have no cloud substitutes. Apparently I must own and run at least one Win10 license, but perhaps I can run it as a guest OS?

      The Win10 upgrade advisor program from MSFT says this decade-trusty HP Pavilion that I’m typing on now can run Win10. If so, perhaps that fact enables an apps-migration concept like what you suggest above?

      From what I read here and elsewhere, I get the impression that software utilities, such as Acronis or one of its competitors, can recover a backup image of OS + apps to dissimilar hardware. For migrating apps, the recovery to dissimilar hardware seems essential.

      Does this workflow make sense?

      1. Back up this Pavilion (Win7 OS + apps) to external storage. Test recovery to the Pavilion. Call this Win7Image.
      2. On the Pavilion, upgrade to Win10, updating drivers & apps as required. I must own at least one Win10 license.
      3. Back up the Pavilion Win10 OS + apps to different external storage, using the same software utilities. Test recovery to the Pavilion, which is still the hardware of origin. Call this Win10Image.
      4. Acquire “new” desktop/laptop hardware. It is dissimilar hardware from the motherboard upward. It might have an OS.
      5. If the new hardware is bare-metal Intel/AMD, “recover” Win10Image to that dissimilar hardware, updating drivers as required. (The apps are already updated to Win10 from step 2, so they’re probably OK.)
      6. Alternative to 5: If the new machine runs a non-Win host OS, such as Mac or a Linux variety, spin up a virtual machine from Win10Image. If necessary, spin up a separate VM from Win7Image.

      I probably skipped a step or at least left something implicit: the part where Win7Image or Win10Image magically becomes runnable virtually and not merely “recoverable.” Top-of-mind, I don’t know where in the process or how to do that. Maybe actions in steps 1, 2, and 5. I’m looking for a trailhead, preferably an online tutorial that uses freemium software.

      What hypervisor do I want to consider? I tried VMare Workstation years ago and the guest OS (Windows) crawled. What about this time around: better VMWare? VirtualBox? Something else?

      Best regards,

    • #1993946 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      I can anyone recommend any third party solutions to migrate Windows 7 including apps and settings to Windows 10 ?

      I would recommend that you first do a complete backup of your current Windows 7, then upgrade to Windows 10, which will include apps and settings.  Then to migrate, I recommend TeraByte Image For Windows. which includes additional software to facilitate the migration.  Visit the link.  They also have a dedicated forum for just such questions, with TeraByte Support techs very much involved.

      I’ve used it for a complete hardware upgrade, from an old box to a new box, motherboard, CPU, NIC, drives, the whole ball of wax.  Purred like a kitten.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes (Windows updates are system changes), in case you need to start over!
      "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Savvy?"—Jack Sparrow
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      • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by  bbearren.
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    • #1994073 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      As bbearn said, backup and upgrade as a starting point. Use an external USB hard disk as your backup destination, then you can store it away safely for later use.

      If you get a new W10 machine make sure you record the license before doing anything else – you will need it after the restore.

      Most of the 3rd party backup software supports recovery to different hardware so it’s up to you which one you use. Some also allow backup image to VM conversion to save having to boot a VM and restore – probably not required but may be convenient. These are all paid services, but the software is only around $40.

      If you go the non-MS + virtual machine it doesn’t really matter what software you use as long as your CPU supports virtualization and you have plenty of memory and an SSD – you want speed from your VM. What you will need is a retail Windows license because the VM is a new machine, not an OEM – test the VM to see what Windows says.

      I don’t know of any tutorials for the restore process, except on the backup software site. It’s an easy job once you have decided which software to use.

      cheers, Paul

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    • #1994544 Reply

      skeptamistic
      AskWoody Plus

      @PaulT,

      Some also allow backup image to VM conversion to save having to boot a VM and restore

      That sounds very convenient. I’ll resume shopping with that in mind.

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