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      • #2100071 Reply
        280park
        AskWoody Plus

        Cranking up my new laptop with Windows 10 Pro version 1809 I see that the Windows Security Center includes among other things antivirus and threat protection via Windows Defender as well as a firewall and network protection. I have read some postive reviews of Windows Defender.

        Are Windows Defender and the other security features included with Windows 10 reasonably good substitutes for third-party security software for a personal computer?

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      • #2100192 Reply
        joep517
        AskWoody MVP

        In a word – YES.

        Defender has matured quite a bit in the last few years and is now a good solution. It is good enough that I believe you do not need a third party a/v program. As part of being careful and somewhat paranoid, I run Malwarebytes free version too and do a scan at least monthly. I also pick a free online scanner from one of the third party vendors and run it monthly too. In security, it is good to get a second and even third opinion as various products can give you different results.

        --Joe

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      • #2100509 Reply
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’ve been very happy with just Windows Defender in 1709 and 1803. I upgraded to 1809 at the end of November 2019. Defender does not work right in this version of Windows 10 for me. I’ve had no other problems with 1809. Defender NEVER updates itself in this version of Windows 10. That is not so bad since I always manually update Defender when I first get on the computer each day but, in earlier versions of Windows 10, Defender would update on its own at least one more time each day. But it doesn’t now.

        Plus, Defender no longer knows what time zone it is in. It shows the update, when I do it manually each day, as occurring BEFORE the version it updates to was released. That is impossible, of course. What is actually happening is that it can’t tell the time zone I am in but it could with 1709 and 1803 so the problem is 1809. It uses UTC time zone ONLY. Thus I have to mentally add 10 hours from what it shows as the update time when I update. It’s irritating (and embarrassing for Microsoft to make such a basic and fundamental error).

        I hope your 1809 doesn’t have the bug.

        Saturday-January-25-2020-001702001

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        • #2110249 Reply
          280park
          AskWoody Plus

          @Mele20 – Thanks for the reply.

          I am just getting my brand new Windows 10 Pro version 1809 up and running. Yesterday Windows Defender seemed to struggle to get its very first update after I manually asked it to do so. It was in “checking for updates” mode for a very long time and then it said that the update engine was unavailable. Later yesterday I noticed that Windows Defender had installed definition version 1.307.3039.0 which according to Microsoft’s website at that time was the latest.

          This morning January 26, 2020, I turned on the computer and at 6:21 Pacific Standard Time manually checked for Windows Defender updates. Definition version 1.307.3056.0 which is the latest according to Microsoft’s website installed quickly. The dates make no sense to me.

          Version created on: 1/26/2020 1:56 AM (per Windows Defender)
          Version released on: 1/26/2020 1:37:35 PM (per Microsoft website)
          Last update: 1/25/2020 10:21 PM (per Windows Defender)

          I haven’t had the computer connected to the internet long enough yet to assess whether Windows Defender will automatically update itself.

          Finally, in Windows Update History I noticed the following message: “Update for Windows Defender Antivirus antimalware platform – KB4052623 (Version 4.18.1911.3) Failed to install on 1/25/2020 – 0x80070643.” I hope this fixes itself eventually.

          • #2110261 Reply
            b
            AskWoody Plus

            Finally, in Windows Update History I noticed the following message: “Update for Windows Defender Antivirus antimalware platform – KB4052623 (Version 4.18.1911.3) Failed to install on 1/25/2020 – 0x80070643.” I hope this fixes itself eventually.

            You could try downloading that from Microsoft Update Catalog:

            https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4052623

            (If it’s not already your current version at Windows Security, Settings, About.)

            The middle one of the three files offered after clicking Download is the amd/Intel 64-bit version

            updateplatform_b849c0cc5fee72c5bd951d22e1cf7181814d51e0.exe

            Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

            • #2110285 Reply
              280park
              AskWoody Plus

              @b – When I click Start> Settings> Update & Security> Windows Security> Virus & threat protection> the Settings gear on the Virus & threat protection page> About shows “Antimalware Client Version 4.18.1911.3 which is exactly the version that Windows Update said had failed to install. Strange, but I am glad that the antimalware client is up-to-date.

              I am just getting started with Windows 10 and discovering where to find all my system information. It is very different than Windows 7. Thanks for providing a roadmap to find this info.

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      • #2137904 Reply
        TechTango
        AskWoody Plus

        “Are Windows Defender and the other security features included with Windows 10 reasonably good substitutes for third-party security software for a personal computer?”

        I agree that Windows Defender has improved significantly, however I’ve been using Bitdefender for many years and still like like it.  Admittedly, my loyalty now is probably “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” on my part.  That said, BD is smooth, transparent and has a drop dead easy firewall management tool, plus other handy tools I use occasionally.

         

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        • #2137915 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Some say that Defender is now pretty good.
          Like you, I have been using a third-party AV that I like – TrendMicro.
          Lately, several AVs have had problems with Win10 (Avast, AVG, McAfee, Sophos,etc). They have eventually been worked out.
          Many now say, if you don’t want to have Win10 problems, use Defender (which, of course, has not caused problems b/c MS knows what it does).

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      • #2138047 Reply
        CalixtoWVR1
        AskWoody Plus

        Some say that Defender is now pretty good.
        Like you, I have been using a third-party AV that I like – TrendMicro.
        Lately, several AVs have had problems with Win10 (Avast, AVG, McAfee, Sophos,etc). They have eventually been worked out.
        Many now say, if you don’t want to have Win10 problems, use Defender (which, of course, has not caused problems b/c MS knows what it does).

        Exactly, and that’s why I have been using only WD for over a year and a half now. Before, I used to have the combo WD + MBAM (paid version), and I have decided to do away with the latter. That means right now I am only with WD and I have not incurred any problem so far. Notwithstanding, as you mentioned, there seems to be every now and then some issues with third-party A-V software when it comes to downloading and installing Windows updates.

        • #2138091 Reply
          280park
          AskWoody Plus

          After purchasing my first and only Windows 10 computer I am leaning in the direction of relying solely on Windows Defender (and safe computing practices) for malware protection.

          For years I have used Eset products on two Windows 7 computers which I will continue to do. I have had no problems with Eset products and they do not seem to slow down my Windows 7 computers. (I should note that I really don’t understand all the firewall settings in Eset.)

          One of the features of Eset is the option to right-click on an email retrieved by an email client and thereby manually scan the email. With Windows 10 and Windows Defender that option does not seem to be available when emails are retrieved with the preinstalled Windows Mail. Does anyone know whether the absence of that right-click option is because Windows Mail lacks that feature or because Windows Defender lacks that feature?

      • #2154090 Reply
        Rydan
        AskWoody Lounger

        more news:
        Appearantly MS released another one (yesterday feb 19th, after the feb 14th ones) to finally replace the nov ’19 one.
        (10th attempt going to be a good one?)
        Anyways, quite annoying to see the 1911.3 drop from my ADR (SCCM) cos of that in januari
        also note that the new updates are now Classification “Updates” instead of “Definition Updates”
        After 2 (or was that 3) earlier mishaps in the past 3 years, maybe MS starts to realise that it’s an update like others that can ruin your day.
        (shamelessly linked topic I originally created for this: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/kb4052623-defender-platform-updates/)

      • #2174511 Reply
        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        Does anyone have any experience or  recommendations in respect of the Ransomware Protection included with Windows 10 Security please?

        I’ve just upgraded one machine from Windows 7 to 10 and am beginning to get the hang of the changes, but there seem to be mixed reviews of Ransomware Protection.

        • #2174514 Reply
          crimsoncricket
          AskWoody Lounger

          Does anyone have any experience or  recommendations in respect of the Ransomware Protection included with Windows 10 Security please?

          I’ve just upgraded one machine from Windows 7 to 10 and am beginning to get the hang of the changes, but there seem to be mixed reviews of Ransomware Protection.

          I also upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 and opted to keep Malwarebytes Anti-Ransomware (Beta) running alongside Windows Security.  So far the two are working well together and I have yet to find any reports of conflicts from others who run both.

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