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      • #2291879 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Just in from Mayank Parmar at Windows Latest: According to the changelog of Build 19042.487, this issue has now been resolved in Windows 10 20H2*. Aft
        [See the full post at: Windows Latest: A fix for the broken Win10 version 2004 Drive Optimizer (Defrag) tool is being tested]

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      • #2291881 Reply
        GCG1000
        AskWoody Plus

        It’s about time MS fixed this problem!  I wonder if this “fix” will trim SSD’s correctly?

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        • #2291889 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Good question!

          It’s amazing the fix took this long. There were complaints long, long before 2004 shipped.

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      • #2291913 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Microsoft needs to have a  Year of Stability for 10 and Focus only on stability, sans any New And Shiny!

      • #2291917 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I remember watching someone with Windows 3.1 running defrag and thought it was really cool, all those little squares moving around and changing colors.  That was the only Windows computer in our group at work.  The mouse was perplexing, what did it do?

        That was Windows 3.1 running on a really cool 386 processor that did math even faster than before although most of didn’t know what was before.

        And MS wrecked the defragger, something I first saw about 40 years ago?  Ours (present day) all work fine on mechanical and solid state drives; it continues to amaze me how some Windows users are delivered problems others never experience.  Could the “D” level team mangling Windows put down their phones long enough to fix something that has functioned well since before many of them were born?

        Wait, silly me. Silly me.

      • #2291938 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Only 8 months to recieve the feedback about the bug

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      • #2291941 Reply
        juzuo
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m guessing it will appear to Windows Update today.

        And since in about week and half it’s patch tuesday again, installing this optional update is kinda pointless for most. Would it kill MS to release these D week updates on C week like the rest of them?

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      • #2292020 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        @woody

        in case people are wondering which files the KB4571744 update included for the defrag/optimization fix – the defragproxy.dll, defragres.dll & defragsvc.dll files are v10.0.19041.487

        the defrag.exe & dfrgui.exe files, however, are not updated with KB4571744
        only the DLL files were updated

        • This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by EP.
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        • #2292022 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Wonder if we’ll see them today…

          • #2292203 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Today 28 August, so far nothing.

      • #2292086 Reply
        Carl D
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m still wondering how they managed to break something like this in the first place since it has always worked properly (for me, at least) up until 2004 was released?

        Makes me also wonder what else is being broken every time a new Windows 10 version is released? Actually, make that almost every time ‘Patch Tuesday’ updates are released these days.

        Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 20H2 64bit.

      • #2292217 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        The update is intended for Windows 10 20H2 even though it will fix the bugs in 20H1.

        Mayank Parmar wrote

        Microsoft plans to roll out the same update to those with Windows 10 May 2020 Update (2004) later this week or before September 1.

        I’m somewhat skeptical of that comment with no link to MS to back it up..assumptions meh!

      • #2292617 Reply
        gborn
        AskWoody_MVP

        It’s about time MS fixed this problem!  I wonder if this “fix” will trim SSD’s correctly?

        No, they didn’t fix the SSD defrag issue – see my addendum at

        Windows 10 Version 2004: Update KB4571744 will fix the Defrag bug

        Microsoft Windows Insider MVP, Microsoft Answers Community Moderator, Blogger, Book author

        https://www.borncity.com/win/

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        • #2292669 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Defrag of SSDs is intentional:

          Scheduled task

          The defragmentation process runs scheduled task as a maintenance task, which typically runs every week. As an Administrator, you can change the how often the task runs by using the Optimize Drives app.

          When run from the scheduled task, defrag uses the below policy guidelines for SSDs:

          Traditional optimization processes. Includes traditional defragmentation, for example moving files to make them reasonably contiguous and retrim. This is done once per month. However, if both traditional defragmentation and retrim are skipped, then analysis isn’t run.

          If you manually run traditional defragmentation on a SSD, between your normally scheduled runs, the next scheduled task run performs analysis and retrim, but skips traditional defragmentation on that SSD.

          Windows 10 defrag documentation

          CONCLUSION

          No, Windows is not foolishly or blindly running a defrag on your SSD every night, and no, Windows defrag isn’t shortening the life of your SSD unnecessarily. Modern SSDs don’t work the same way that we are used to with traditional hard drives.

          Yes, your SSD’s file system sometimes needs a kind of defragmentation and that’s handled by Windows, monthly by default, when appropriate. The intent is to maximize performance and a long life. If you disable defragmentation completely, you are taking a risk that your filesystem metadata could reach maximum fragmentation and get you potentially in trouble.

          The real and complete story – Does Windows defragment your SSD?

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      • #2292772 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        It seems that at 10:00 AM in Redmond, MS did not send a C / D patch for Windows 2004 in August (so far).

      • #2313309 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Looks like this STILL hasn’t been fixed after 6 months or so..

        After the release of two Windows 10 feature updates and numerous cumulative updates, Microsoft has still not fixed a bug causing Windows Defrag to TRIM non-SSD drives…

        bleepingcomputer article

        No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT - AE
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