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    • #162275 Reply

      anonymous

      Hello, What updates do I need to make windows update client work ? after clean install from : “en_windows_8.1_enterprise_with_update_x64_dvd_6054382.iso”
      I’m trying to avoid monthly rollup’s so I can’t go straight to them. I’m gonna only install security ones.

      EDIT html to txt – copy>paste error

    • #162284 Reply

      BobbyB
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well you could try this link, its done with a great deal of Input from our own MVP’s (Kudos to them 🙂 )

      http://wu.krelay.de/en/

      That should speed up the initial update retrieval rate\time. The last clean install I did was Win8.1×64 Rev 3. That had quite a few of the big Win8.1 updates in it, and that was approx. 160 update’s? in that region. If your on the original “bare bones” i.e. not with the big updates Pre-Installed your probably looking at over 200 update’s and quite a few hours, in any case removing the security updates, as you mention, will reduce the install time a bit but not much as they are normally fairly light weight. If you wish to update your image before install using DISM there’s not really much advantage time wise, but if your a frequent re-installer it may be worth considering. Hope this helps 🙂

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    • #162318 Reply

      anonymous

      I don’t care about the time i just want to windows update client will able to search for updates.

      • #162323 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The updates you will need for the Windows Update Client and the Servicing Stack are found at the link given in the reply above. You should download and install them manually before you go online with the computer.

        You will need to hide the monthly Rollups as they appear successively. Then install the updates prior to October 2016 when the Rollups started.

        The Security only patches and the IE11 Cunulative Updates that you will need, that were released after October 2016, can be downloaded and manually installed from AKB2000003 on this site.

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    • #162322 Reply

      radosuaf
      AskWoody Lounger

      I installed W8.1 2 weeks ago or so. WU worked flawlessly out-of-the-ISO. No need to install anything to make it search for updates.

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    • #162328 Reply

      anonymous

      radosuaf did you used the same original iso as i am?

      • #162341 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        I used Media Creation Tool from MS website. Now I recall that I actually installed 8.1 on two computers. Both updated flawlessly.

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    • #162356 Reply

      anonymous

      very strange.

    • #162374 Reply

      BobbyB
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just looking to see if I could get a handle on which version @anonymous has got, came across a curious thing, Just wondering when they opened up MSDN for downloading Windows images? Not had to look for one for ages. I always thought  MSDN was subscription only? any way here’s a link to check out.

      http://download-msdn-microsoft.pro/

      and @anonymous its very probably that you’ll avoid some of the big updates as I am pretty sure that you can only download the Rev. 3 version which has the problematic kb3000850 and a couple of other big updates pre-installed should make life easier as through past experience kb3000850 can be troublesome.

    • #162385 Reply

      anonymous
    • #162395 Reply

      SkipH
      AskWoody Lounger

      To OP:

      I use what is called WSUS Offline Update to catch up ‘fresh’ installs of Windows 7 and Window 8.

      The downloader part can be set to download the “Security Only” updates, and will download any other updates that it needs. It also skips a bunch of the garbage ones.

      Then the Installer module will install what it can on each pass, have you reboot, then you re-start the installer and it will install more KB’s. Eventually it will finish, then you can take it online and see if there are a few more.

      This is done with the target system OFFLINE, so there’s no danger of it trying to download KB’s from Microsoft until you are ready.

      It helps to have a 2nd computer to do the downloading on, then transfer the Downloader and files to a USB thumb drive or an external hard disk, then copy it all onto the ‘target’ system. If you just have the one computer, keep the ‘target’ system from downloading updates (turn that off), then install the app on it, run the downloader on that system, get all the files then fire up the Installer module, after unplugging it from the ‘net.

      If you have a working basic installation of Win8, I’d make a backup so you can fall back to that state if you do not like what it does, then try it again, or try some other way to catch it up.

      I did a Windows 8 test run just last week, sort of planning on having it ready for when Win7 goes off support in 2020 (unless MS recovers its sanity…). It took about 3, 4 hours max to catch it up from the basic install.

      I used a different method to get my copy last week, but it looks like the link that BobbyB posted gets you to a place on MSDN where an ISO can be downloaded. But I guess you already have one.

      Here’s the link to WSUS Offline Updater, latest version is 11.1.1, click the link in the upper blue box in the upper right hand corner of the web page.

      WSUS Offline Updater

      If you try this and have questions, let me know. It might be a good idea to register here at AskWoody.com, then I can help you via private messages. Plus your posts get ‘posted’ sooner.

    • #162401 Reply

      anonymous

      I tryed to use WSUS Offline Update but after i install all updates with WSUS Offline Update still the same problem Update client just serching for updates forever even after 5 hours of waiting.

    • #162416 Reply

      SkipH
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hmm, that didn’t happen to me. When I went online and asked for Updates, it found a few more, only took a few minutes.

      Did WSUS Offline run to the end, where it searches for maybe 5-10 minutes max, then says no further updates to install?

      Maybe I’ll test another install, I sort of quit messing with that system when all the Spectre and Meltdown stuff hit the fan, not much sense in messing with updates when everything is a big mess.

      If you are not in a rush, I’ll see how a fresh install and running WSUS Offline again works and post the results here.  Meanwhile, hope you can figure it out.

    • #162469 Reply

      anonymous

      when i try to install KB3021910 it says it’s not applicable. the f***.

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    • #162495 Reply

      anonymous

      Whatever, nothing works.. its very strange. can anyone confirm my issue ? because i tried now about everything. after 2018 hit everything is just offline. Even after i installed latest rollups the client is still dead.

      • #162501 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Try one last time.
        Download (on another computer) from the MS Catalog KB3173424 and KB3172614.

        OFFLINE
        Install the ISO
        Manually install the two KBs mentioned above
        Reboot

        ONLINE
        Run Windows Update

    • #162510 Reply

      Cascadian
      AskWoody Lounger

      I hope you have found help in the good advice given. Four voices of varying experience and reputation (all better than my own) have tried to help. And in short response time too, considering the current state of affairs.

      Their response to your approach to asking for help has been exemplary. I am still trying to learn that skill myself. Best of luck with your solution.

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    • #162575 Reply

      anonymous

      I did try but still nothing. https://imgur.com/a/WeOMu

      • #162578 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        I see KB3138615 and the Flash Player update also. Where did those come from? If Win Update has not run, there should only be the two KBs listed above.

      • #162579 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        BTW, have you checked to see if the ALLOW Regkey has been set by your AV?

    • #162598 Reply

      SkipH
      AskWoody Lounger

      I did a clean install of Windows 8.1×64 Pro yesterday evening from a file set (ISO) downloaded directly from a Microsoft site.  Then I copied on the latest version (11.1.1) of WSUS Offline and the files that it had downloaded on another system for Windows 8.1×64 using the settings shown in the attached screen shot. The main thing is that I only selected the “Use ‘Security Only’ updates…” option.

      WSUS-Offline-Generator-download-settings

      I then started the installer module, selected the “update C++ Runtime Libraries” and started the install.  It installed 2 files and asked to be rebooted, that took less than 10 minutes.

      I then re-started the installer and it installed the .Net Framework 4.7.1 package, that took less than 10 minutes, then asked for a re-boot.

      On the 3rd pass, it started the “compiling list of missing updates…” process, that took about 4 minutes, then started installing 71 updates.

      I let that run until completion, that took about an hour an 15 minutes, then asked to be re-booted.

      On the 4th pass, it did the “compiling list of missing updates…”, which took about 3 minutes and found none.  So the process of using WSUS Offline Updater to catch Windows 8.1 ‘up to date’ took less than 2 hours, some of that was me not catching the system as soon as it was done (I was watching TV…).

      All this was done with the system (a Dell Vostro 230, Intel Core 2 Duo “Wolfdale” E5400 CPU@2.7Ghz, 8GB RAM, so not a speed demon) unplugged from the internet.

      This morning (USA-PST), I then re-connected the system to the ‘net, did a manual check for Windows Updates, and it took about TWO minutes to find 8 more “Important” updates, 1 was the 2017-10 full Security Monthly Quality Rollup (KB4041693), which I wouldn’t bother to install, as the purpose of this test was to just use the Security Only updates.  The other one not worth installing was the Malware Scanner, KB890830. And there was an update for Windows Defender, KB2267602, and 90 “Other” updates, didn’t even look at those.

      Here’s a list of the other 5 “Important” updates, which I did not look up yet to see if I wanted to really install them:

      KB2994290
      KB3031044
      KB3042085
      KB3044374
      KB3077715

      So, I had no problem using WSUS Offline to ‘catch-up’ this test system.  I have been using WSUS Offline for well over a year, mainly on Windows 7 fresh installs/re-installs, started back when Win7 was ‘stuck’ at getting updates.  Using WSUS Offline by-passed any checking for updates from Microsoft, as it pretty much ‘jams’ on updates in large quantities, and had the needed files to get around the ‘sticking’ problem back then.  I used it on in-service systems that were ‘stuck’, and had been stuck for months (usually without the operator knowing…). In fairly short order using WSUS Offline would jam on the updates so when it was done, the system could check for updates normally.  It would work when even installing the 2-3 ‘magic’ updates to un-freeze Windows Updates would not work.

      So, without knowing exactly what steps you are doing to install Windows 8.1, and then using WSUS Offline, there’s not much more I can say, other than to try to describe the process I used.

      Hopefully by now you are having some success, or this will help you.

       

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    • #162627 Reply

      anonymous

      I don’t get the idea why i have to go offline to install updates ? its some kind of bs of 8.1 or what ?

      Well i did all this test’s on virtual machine on sysprep mode.. works fine in windows 7 and its easy to update the client to make it work, you just need to install KB3138612 and its done.

      But what the h*** with the 8/8.1.. it just bs..
      WSUS Offline will still install the s**ty  KB3068707, KB3081954, KB3021917, KB3075249, KB3068708, KB3080149, KB3022345, KB2952664, and many more.. even if you check to install security only updates.. what’s the point of having only security rollups when you already have all telemetry updates installed.. ?

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    • #162629 Reply

      anonymous

      PKCano, whats with the “ALLOW Regkey” what is that ?

      someone from somewhere else suggested that i should try to install adobe flash player update.. makes no sense.. anyway didn’t worked..

      i appreciate all your help but this is crazy…

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      • #162637 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Due to the Meltdown/Spectre mitigation in the current patches, some of the updates conflict with anti-virus programs. Currently, your anti-virus has to set a Registry key in order for you to get updates from Windows Update.

        This Registry key has been described in several current topics on the Blog and is documented in the MS pages for the Jan Rollups and security-only updates.

    • #162642 Reply

      anonymous

      Im running in audit mode it’s clean install..

    • #162678 Reply

      SkipH
      AskWoody Lounger

      To: OP

      I looked through the WSUS Offline Update install log, that’s the log of all updates it installed.

      I find none of the KB#” you listed in the install log.

      Even if they had been installed, you could delete them from the gob of KB’s that it downloaded, then use the Updater module to install the rest (assuming you had a backup copy of your fresh install of Win8.1, or just re-install 8.1 again). It doesn’t care if you manually remove some files from the main file repository.  If you have a specific list of KB#’s that you do not want to install, they could be deleted before running the installation module.

      I also looked through the “installed updates” section of Programs & Features (108 updates), and did not find any of them there either.

      So, unless those KB’s you listed are somehow wrapped up in the Windows 8.1 ISO file set and are buried in the ‘fresh install’, I don’t see them installed.

      As for “security rollups…”, what was installed were the individual MONTHLY Security Only patches, not any ROLLUPS.  If you want to keep your copy of Win8.1 in Woody’s “Group B”, you will have to keep manually installing each monthly Security Only patches, never any Security & Quality Rollups.  And you will have to install the monthly patch for IE 11 manually going forward

      I’ve included the WSUS Offline Updater’s Update Log so you can see for yourself what it installs using the “Use ‘security only updates’ instead of ‘quality rollups'” choice when downloading all updates for the WSUS Offline Installer module to use. I had to convert it to a PDF file, as this forum software would not let me upload a simple TEXT file.  Hope it works.

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    • #162698 Reply

      anonymous

      Figure out myself in audit mode in windows 8 is impossible to use windows update client better use windows update minitool.

      My List of Malware, Spyware updates before rollups : *
      .
      KB971033 – Update for Windows Activation Technologies (Checks whether Mic-
      rosoft wants to deactivate your system)
      KB3035583 – Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1, 7 SP1
      KB3022345 – Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      KB3080149 – Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      KB3068708 – Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      KB3075249 – Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Win 8.1, 7
      KB3012973 – Force Trigger Auto Download and Install of Win 10 Free Upgrade
      KB2990214 – Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 to a later v-
      ersion of Windows
      KB2952664 – Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7 (Diagnostics for
      Win 10 compatibility)
      KB2976978 – Compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8
      KB3021917 – Diagnostics Telemetry for Win 10 performance compatibility
      KB2977759 – Diagnostics compatibility when installing Win 10 (Diagnostics
      for Win 10 compatibility)
      KB3044374 – Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to 10
      KB3123862 – Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
      KB3081452 – August 27, 2015, compatibility update for upgrading to Win 10
      KB3081441 – Compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10
      KB3081440 – Compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10
      KB3074677 – Compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10
      KB3046480 – Update helps to determine whether to migrate the .NET Framework
      1.1 when you upgrade Windows 8.1 or Windows 7
      KB3090045 – Windows Update for reserved devices in Windows 8.1 or Windows 7
      SP1 that are upgrading to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1, 7 SP1
      KB3072318 – Update for Windows 8.1 OOBE to upgrade to Windows 10
      KB3081954 – Update adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemet-
      rypipeline in Windows 7 SP 1
      KB3112336 – Additional upgrade scenarios from Win 8.1 to 10 and monitoring
      KB3095113 – Update to enable WSUS support for Windows 10 feature upgrades
      KB3150513 – May 2016 Compatibility Update for Windows configuration for comp-
      atibility diagnostics for Windows 10
      KB3146449 – Updated Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1
      and Windows 7 (Get Windows 10 update for MSIE)
      KB3014460 – Upgrade for windows insider preview / upgrade to windows 10
      KB3064683 – Windows 8.1 OOBE modifications to reserve Windows 10
      KB3081451 – August 27, 2015, compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10
      KB3081454 – September 8, 2015, compatibility update for upgrading to Win 10
      KB3081437 – August 18, 2015, compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10
      KB3081427 – Compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10: August 5, 2015
      KB3173040 – Windows 8.1, 7 SP1 end of free upgrade offer notification
      KB3163589 – “Your PC is running an outdated version of Windows” notification
      KB3068707 – Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      .
      List of pulled Malware, Spyware updates : *
      .
      KB2922324 – Pulled, uninstall it anyway if already installed
      KB2976987 – Pulled, uninstall it anyway if already installed
      KB3015249 – Pulled, Upgrade that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in
      Windows 8.1 and Windows 7

      • #168150 Reply

        anonymous

        You may want to check your list…

        KB3012973: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (which you won’t see in 8.1)
        KB3081452: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3081441: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3081440: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3074677: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3112336: Windows Update Client (old, if you plan to get updates you already have a newer version of this)
        KB3095113: upgate for server OS to distribute windows 10 updates, N/A for Win8.1
        KB3014460: beta windows 10?
        KB3081451: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3081454: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3081437: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)
        KB3081427: appears to be a windows 10 update FOR windows 10 (…)

        KB3015249: never existed, typo/transcription error of KB3075249
        KB2976987: never existed, typo/transcription error of KB2976978
        “KB”2922324: never existed, confusion of computerworld.com article# 2922324 about KB3022345
        https://www.computerworld.com/article/2922324/microsoft-windows/windows-usage-tracker-patch-kb-3022345-triggers-sys-file-corruption-which-sfc-is-unable-to-fix.html

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