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      • #2282846 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Now we know why this week’s Preview patches behave so strangely. Details coming in Computerworld Woody on Windows. Thx, @abbodi86!
        [See the full post at: Windows Update’s bifurcated mess]

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      • #2282888 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        This scenario does bring to mind the old GWX click-on-red-to-install disaster.

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      • #2282883 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        There’s no record of when that change was made.

        Bottom line says, “Last Updated: Jul 22, 2020”.

        • #2282932 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          You’re right. The KB article was originally posted on July 21, and updated on July 22.

      • #2282894 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        ” …and Chromium-based Edge updates are now handled by the new, polite “Download and install” Windows Update program.”

        I don’t think ChrEdge updates has anything to do with “Download and Install”. ChrEdge has its own update mechanism (following Chrome releases).

        • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by Alex5723.
        • #2282934 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          I’m still waiting to see – and relying on y’all to tell me if you see something.

        • #2282997 Reply
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          I ment the First Time Installer update KB4559309, it’s handled by UUP

          although i don’t get it nowadays

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      • #2282907 Reply
        WSaltamirano
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m on Win10 home 18363.959 and here is what I see.Capture-1

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        • #2282936 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Is this machine in the Windows Insider Release Preview Ring?

          Do you have the TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry key?

          • #2282992 Reply
            geekdom
            AskWoody Plus

            Do you have the TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry key?

            I have the TargetReleaseVersionInfo key.

            2020-07 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems (KB4559004) is now hidden. (WUMgr)

            I’m not an Insider.

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      • #2283007 Reply
        WSaltamirano
        AskWoody Lounger

        Is this machine in the Windows Insider Release Preview Ring?

        Do you have the TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry key?

        I am not  an insider.

        About the “TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry key”, I don’t know what this is.

         

      • #2283008 Reply
        WSaltamirano
        AskWoody Lounger

        I just read the article about TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry key and I don’t

        have this key. It is said that it work’s only on Pro, Enterprise, Education.

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        • #2283063 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          See @abbodi86‘s detailed explanation below.

          I wonder how Microsoft could make this more complicated?

      • #2283011 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Some observations about the “Optional Updates” section:

        – only 1 optional update is allowed at a time, either feature update or preview CU

        – specifying TargetReleaseVersion to the same OS version gives the preview CU as optional update (i also tested setting it to lower version, same result)

        – specifying TargetReleaseVersion to higher OS version gives its feature update as normal update

        – optional update section show up only if no other normal updates are pending in queue (at least i never got them together, i have to hide ir install normal updates first)

        – deferring updates (feature or quality) eliminate the behavior of the section, and the updates (if/when detected) are handled normally (like security updates)

        i tested deferring each to 1 day, with TargetReleaseVersion in play, but preview CU don’t show up at all
        without TargetReleaseVersion, i get feature update

        what’s funny is that on v1809, if you don’t set any deferrals you get v1909
        if you set few days deferrals you get v2004

        i did not test any “Pause Updates” scenarios, because it’s not easy to control
        but based on Woody’s experience, i guess it works as pressing “Check for updates” button, and it respects Optional Updates section

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      • #2283122 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Saturday Night Dump just came via Windows Update:

        2020-05 Microsoft Edge Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems (KB4559309)

        And I need to reset TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry key to 1909 again.

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        • #2283538 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          As follow-up:

          online▸Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox79.0 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall} is now offline.
          2020-05 Microsoft Edge Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems (KB4559309) was offered and installed via Windows Update on this machine.

          ————

          offline▸Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox79.0 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}is now online.
          2020-05 Microsoft Edge Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems (KB4559309) has not been offered via Windows Update on this machine.

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      • #2283280 Reply
        KP
        AskWoody Plus

        Not meant to be a silly question (I explain below), but are the Windows 10 1909 running different CPU’s or do you use VM’s?

        Windows Defender seems different on every PC ranging from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (all Pro versions except for one Home version of Windows 10). One time I had 2 Windows 7 Pro OS’s but the CPU’s were different and Windows 7 seem to run different versions of Windows Defender. So is the same thing happening with Windows Update, differences because of different CPU hardware?

        • #2283281 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Different computers, different CPU.

          The offline computer had hard drive failure, so it’s not possible to test what updates would come down the Windows Update pipe on that machine. I have no theories as to update availability.

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          • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by geekdom.
      • #2283283 Reply
        RTEsysadmin
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m setting up a brand new custom W10 Pro workstation for a brand new exec. I wiped the drive, installed the OS from an official 1909 ISO from a couple of months ago, personalized the desktop a bit, set a 21-day delay for quality updates (and a 180-day delay for feature updates), and clicked check for updates. Before I could react, I was informed that it was installing this .NET Preview along with the stuff I actually wanted:

        2020-07 Cumulative Update Preview for .Net Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64 (KB4562900)

        Upon restart, it’s now running 1909 build 18363.959.

        Note that the Preview I got was different than the one than KB4559004, the one that Woody saw. Mine was KB4592900.

        That machine does not have either of the WindowsUpdate\TargetReleaseVersionInfo or the WindowsUpdate\TargetReleaseVersion registry values.

        Group K(ill me now)
        • #2283284 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          That machine does not have either of the WindowsUpdate\TargetReleaseVersionInfo or the WindowsUpdate\TargetReleaseVersion registry values.

          Those can be set in Group Policy under Windows Update for Business.
          See #2276103

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          • #2283285 Reply
            RTEsysadmin
            AskWoody Plus

            Yes, thanks. The machine hasn’t been joined to the domain yet, and it will get that key when it is.

            Group K(ill me now)
      • #2283345 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        The machine hasn’t been joined to the domain yet

        And it was able to download and install updates?! How was that possible?

        cheers, Paul

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