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     b 1 week, 6 days ago.

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    • #1349434 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      When Microsoft releases Win10 version 1903 – expected any day now – it’s going to bring along a bumper crop of junk that you don’t want: Candy Crush,
      [See the full post at: Woody’s Windows Watch: Beware the crapware in Win10 version 1903]

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    • #1350010 Reply

      Wayne
      AskWoody Plus

      The article suggests “Remove from start” but I have the impression that only removes the tile, not the program. If you go to the the full list mode and right-click on a program title, the Uninstall option is available, which I assume—naively?—frees up the hard disk space properly.

      Oddly, two of my uninstall programs, e.g., Geek and Wise, don’t show MS apps like Taptiles and Pinball, unless I missed a setting, so whether the garbage actually gets removed may be an open question.

      • #1350088 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Most of the crapware is just a tile – the program doesn’t actually load until you click on the tile. Thus, almost all of them are removed by a right-click and Remove from Start.

        • #1350399 Reply

          Wayne
          AskWoody Plus

          Doesn’t load or doesn’t install until you click on the tile? Isn’t the tile simply a link, same as a desktop icon, that leads to an installed program that takes up space on the hard drive? Uninstalling the program entirely should be the aim, not just removing a tile for less clutter.

          • #1351275 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            Doesn’t install. The tile is just clickbait (if you’ll forgive my perversion of the term). The game itself doesn’t download or install until you click on the tile, or on the link in the Start menu.

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    • #1351696 Reply

      doriel
      AskWoody Lounger

      Is this “content” going to be included in Enterprise version too? Is it possible to have “bussiness ready” instalation without these so called clickbaites?

      • #1352709 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        I attach a screenshot from the Enterprise Evaluation version, using a local account.

        An admin will have the ability to block installation of all of the really crappy apps. And a (fairly complex) PowerShell script will take them out, too.

        1903-Enterprise-Evaluation-local-account-Start

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        • #1352920 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          But this is WAY BEYOND the average (and even some of the geeky) user’s knowledge or ability. Why should they be saddled with all the junk?
          It would make a lot more sense to give the User a series of check boxes at install, and let them choose which apps they want. Even the non-techy (no, I didn’t use the “d” word)” User can handle check boxes.

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          • #1353006 Reply

            doriel
            AskWoody Lounger

            I just hoped, that there will be version for customers, that dont want this “junk” in their OS installed from scratch. This link promises a solution (to do custom image)
            https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/system-builder-deployment-of-windows-10-for-desktop-editions
            But… I dont wanna do this periodically for every semmi-annual major upgrade :/

            • #1353056 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              I believe LTSB meets that description – IF you can meet the qualifications AND IF you can afford it when you do.

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            • #1353364 Reply

              doriel
              AskWoody Lounger

              Actually, this might be the thing, that I am looking for. Thank you for your reply, I will learn more about it.
              In our company, we aim to start Enterprise E5 licensing. This means migrate to Azure too, I suppose.

              I have to say it is expensive (just for desktop PC – something like 22EUR/ month/ user), but this inst coming from my pocket, its idea of our management, so I dont care 😉

    • #1353306 Reply

      John
      AskWoody Lounger

      Most of this has gone on forever on Windows PC’s. Either PC makers load up new PC’s with crapware or now Microsoft does with every feature upgrade. I see some reasoning to all of this with Home versions as much of these apps are related to games or apps consumers would use. What confuses me is why do Pro or Enterprise also get these apps? They are easy enough to uninstall but sort of hypocritical of Microsoft to do this since they complained a lot about PC makers cluttering up a new PC. Hence the reason Microsoft created their Signature line of PC’s without all that bloatware. How ironic they replaced that with their own.

    • #1356338 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      When Microsoft releases Win10 version 1903 – expected any day now – it’s going to bring along a bumper crop of junk that you don’t want:

      We’re likely to see a lot of junk on Version 1903’s new, slimmed-down Start menu.

      New installations only, right? Not the feature update via Windows Update that the vast majority of Windows 10 users will do? (Or even an MCT/ISO update with “keep my files/apps” selected?)

      Fortunately, it’s easy to remove all this crap from your desktop: just right-click the offensive tile and choose Remove from start.

      Remove from start or Unpin from start?

      Why the need to “beware” if it’s that easy?

      Knuckle Dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant Toxic drinker Saluted blockhead "Unwashed mass" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

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    • #1357033 Reply

      anonymous

      Ok its not that hard, ignore what they put on windows 10 and just grab a copy of Start Is Back. Install this and you can make it look like anything from XP all the way up to windows 8.1 if you want.

      problem solved. no muss no fuss.

    • #1359818 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Fortunately, it’s easy to remove all this crap from your desktop: just right-click the offensive tile and choose Remove from start.

      @woody,
      There is a difference between ‘Remove from start’ and uninstalling the junk completely.

      • #1360520 Reply

        Wayne
        AskWoody Plus

        Asked and answered above. I agree that some of the more esoteric VIPs’ comments are hard to wade through—what are Groups A and B, for example—but reading the whole thread prior to commenting is usually instructive . . .

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    • #1360788 Reply

      joep517
      AskWoody MVP

      Since September 2016 Windows 10 will not re-install any of the pre-installed apps that have been uninstalled. From Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14926 :

      “Improving your PC upgrade experience: One of the ongoing feedback items we’ve heard is how the apps that come preinstalled with Windows will reinstall after each upgrade – particularly noticeable for our Insiders that receive multiple flights per month. We’ve heard your feedback, and starting with Build 14926, when your PC updates it will check for apps that have been uninstalled, and it will preserve that state once the update has completed. This means if you uninstall any of the apps included in Windows 10 such as the Mail app or Maps app, they will not get reinstalled after you update to a newer build going forward.”

      From October 2016, see Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14942 :

      “Improving the PC upgrade experience: Starting with build 14926, we announced that if you uninstall one of the preinstalled apps on Windows, that state will now be preserved after upgrade. With today’s build, we’re happy to let you know that we’ve taken that work a step further: after upgrading from 14942, if an IT-Pro has de-provisioned an app from your OS image (and you haven’t reinstalled it yourself), that provisioning status will now be preserved after upgrade, and the app will not reinstall. We appreciate everyone who shared feedback with us about this – if you have any other feedback about your upgrade experience, please don’t hesitate to log it – we’re listening!”

      If you see something different on an UPGRADE use the Feedback Hub and report it.

      --Joe

    • #1360895 Reply

      joep517
      AskWoody MVP

      On a clean install I would expect all the in-box apps to show up. After all a clean install is supposed to be a new installation.

      --Joe

    • #1361782 Reply

      Bob Coleman
      AskWoody Lounger

      Do I want any of this stuff?  No.  But how long have we had Windows 10?  Three or four years?  I actually don’t remember, but we’re probably nearing the point where traditionally Microsoft would be trying to convince us to buy Windows 11.  Is getting this junk a fair tradeoff if that doesn’t happen?  I’m not sure, but it’s a thought.

    • #1366948 Reply

      anonymous

      I’m sure I read somewhere in Win10’s history that people were complaining that Windows no longer seems to ship with some games bundled. I guess it’s a case of be careful what you wish for…

      • #1381702 Reply

        Bob Coleman
        AskWoody Lounger

        Ah, yes, it does seem that at one time the complaint was the absence solitaire.

    • #1369967 Reply

      Berton
      AskWoody_MVP

      And don’t forget that Microsoft is not always the bad guy, some of the bloatware can come from the OEM or Vendor of the computer, HP including WildTangent games is one that comes to mind.

      Before you wonder "Am I doing things right," ask "Am I doing the right things?"

    • #1416398 Reply

      raincheck
      AskWoody Lounger

      My complaint about the Windows 10 Start Menu is not the way it looks but its rigidity. All the titles are in alphabetical order; there is no easy way to rearrange them. If I want all of my art & scanning programs in one folder, it requires going to two places on file explorer, just to locate them. When I do manage to move a folder, all of the info in the sub-subfolders gets dumped on the main tree so I now have dozens of read-me files, uninstall files, etc. with no way of knowing what they belong to. The start menu in Win XP was perfect but they broke it, in my opinion, to make it fit on a cell phone.

    • #1447449 Reply

      anonymous

      I am very thankful for the bevy of bloatware removal PowerShell scripts that are available on GitHub and tech blogs. We create fresh reference image of Windows 10 to slipstream monthly updates for the OS and Office. I get a warm sense of satisfaction watching that script rip out all of this foistware. It’s a benefit of geekdom. 🙂

    • #1448790 Reply

      Rick Corbett
      AskWoody_MVP

      For interest I downloaded Win 10 Pro 1903 x64 (18362.86) from UUP Dump and carried out a clean install. However, I stopped the installation halfway through the Out Of the Box Experience (OOBE), entered Sysprep’s Audit Mode, ran a PowerShell script called Windows 10 Decrapifier then rebooted and carried out the OOBE again. Result? A wonderfully clean Start menu, free of pinned ‘clickbait’ tiles and crapware:

      1903-2-fully-updated

      Pros:

      • All the hard work is done for you by the PowerShell script.
      • Neither the initial account nor subsequent accounts created get the crapware so the Start menu’s default app list is minimal.
      • Similarly – as a new, clean Start menu template is provided as a default – neither the initial nor subsequent accounts get any pinned ‘clickbait’ tiles.
      • The PowerShell script also reduces telemetry by disabling a couple of services and scheduled tasks.

      Cons:

      • To get access to the Windows 10 Decrapifier script you have to subscribe to a Spiceworks Community discussion group (which is why this is the only link I can provide).
      • The script is designed for Pro/Enterprise editions.
      • The script is designed for clean installs, not in-place upgrades.
      • Whilst not at all complex (just follow the step-by-step instructions provided – with screenshots), it does add a little time to download the PowerShell script, pause the clean install to run the script then continue the clean install – approx. 20-30 mins. to carry out the 8 or 9 steps once you have the script.
      • Although the script disabled OneDrive, an entry for it (that now does nothing) remained in the Start menu. (Whilst I know how to remove the Start menu entry with a REG file, I have a query in with the discussion group about how to remove it within the structure of the PowerShell script).

      Overall: Whilst the Windows 10 Decrapifier script was created for use within a business deployment scenario, I’ve proved to my own satisfaction that it can also be used  at home to create the basis of crapware-free accounts. (Accounts can be further tailored on a ‘per user’ basis using any number of ‘normal’ methods.)

      I ended up doing a second clean install just to add 3 pinned apps to the Start menu. (I could have just created them for my own account but I wanted to see how easy it was to amend the PowerShell script myself so the 3 pinned apps became the default for all accounts).

      It will be interesting to see what the Windows 10 Decrapifier script does on a Win 10 Home 1903 clean install (which I’m currently downloading from UUP Dump).

      Hope this helps…

      EDIT: I’ve just carried out the same exercise using the Home version of 1903 and the results are identical… the PowerShell script works perfectly, even though ‘officially’ it has only been tested by the developer with Pro and Enterprise editions of 1803 and 1809.

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      • #1449134 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Whilst not at all complex (just follow the step-by-step instructions provided – with screenshots), it does add a little time to download the PowerShell script, pause the clean install to run the script then continue the clean install – approx. 20-30 mins. once you have the script.

        I realize your method affects all users, but in comparison how long does it take to unpin six tiles?

        Knuckle Dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant Toxic drinker Saluted blockhead "Unwashed mass" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

    • #1449065 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      When Microsoft releases Win10 version 1903 – expected any day now – it’s going to bring along a bumper crop of junk that you don’t want: Candy Crush, Forza something or another, “Seeker Notes,” Dragon Marsh, and a zillion other pieces of crapware that should make Microsoft embarrassed.

      I demand a recount of that zillion! Looks like one or two to me.

      Knuckle Dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant Toxic drinker Saluted blockhead "Unwashed mass" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

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