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    Microsoft has officially announced that those of you with Win7, who (accidentally?) run Windows Update, will get a fresh, new copy of the Chromium bas
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    • #2273666

      Thanks Woody. Do we know yet if it’s being forcibly installed or whether we can hide it permanently?

      • #2273668

        You do have your Windows 7 set to Never Update? If and when you want to update, you can manually run Windows Update, adjust the check marks on available updates to install/hide according to your preferences, then complete installing them… and reset to Never Update. Windows 7 is so easy! So, no… Chredge isn’t forced on Windows 7 users.

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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        • #2273722

          and reset to Never Update.

          I think once you set WU to Never Update, doesn’t it automatically switch back to this option after manually running a check for updates and installing?

          MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.

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          • #2273725

            It should retain the setting, but we don’t trust Windows that much. 🙂

            cheers, Paul

            • #2273784

              I have my WU set to Never Check and when I’ve run a check for updates it remains at the setting I chose which is Never. I remember that being posted somewhere here at the forum when updates were getting crazy and messed up.

              MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.

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          • #2273777

            Indeed, I’ve never seen it reset on W7.

            I have mine to check, but let me choose whether to download / install. Never had a problem with it for 8 years now!

            Simple to just hide the ones I don’t want, like Chredge.

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            • #2273785

              Maybe it depends on which setting you have checked off. For my Win7 machine with Never update, it stays there after I’ve had it running and installing updates. But I would advise folks to always go back to make sure that’s the case, regardless of which setting they choose.

              MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.

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            • #2273813

              I use the same WU settings that you do.

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            • #2274035

              The problem with check, but allow me to download and install setting, is that Microsoft will automatically check mark their chosen updates, and if your machine reboots for any reason (we have frequent power failures where I am, and even a UPS powers off the computer, triggering a reboot) before you have a chance to look at and uncheck them, they will be installed…

              The Never Check setting allows you complete control.

              Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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            • #2274052

              That is not my experience. My 64 bit Win7 SP1 machine is set to “check, but allow me to download and install”. Updates never download nor install unless I select “Install Updates” button first, even if the machine reboots.

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            • #2274055

              Agreed, I have had Win7 x64 and x86 at “check, but allow me to download and install” for years and it has not altered.
              I must state that having snooping/telemetry and associated patches weeded out/neutralised/hid may also have hindered changes that some are reporting. Now I have Wu disabled completely using Group Policy and in services.

              Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
            • #2274060

              I don’t have a current Windows 7 machine to check on… but I was extremely shocked the first time I found unwanted updates installing as I booted up.

              It is harder to test now (maybe the Chredge update?) because there aren’t regular updates coming down the pipeline… but any security updates show up in Windows Update (Windows 7) already checked… and if the machine reboots, any checked updates will be installed, whether or not you have opened Windows Update and actually seen them.

              I tested this on multiple machines, once I identified it on my own.

              Selecting Never Update avoids this particular risk.

              This really effects a very small sub-set of users now, but there is a difference between not having experienced a particular problem, and a setting that avoids the problem entirely.

              Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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          • #2274016

            In addition if you want to be certain not to get updates, or have Microsoft change your preferences, you can disable the Windows Update Service in Computer Management like I have.

        • #2273789

          What about the way that Windows 10 was forced on some Windows 7 users? Not forgetting that we recently had an article here about the same thing happening with Windows 10 version 2004 notwithstanding the users’ settings.

          As for Windows 10 update settings, I’ve found no difference in effect between “Never update” and “Check and notify but do not download or install”. I personally prefer the latter setting as it enables me to keep abreast of what I’m being offered and to compare it to whatever Woody and Susan etc are talking about each month. I’ve never had an update automatically installed with that setting selected.

          The unreliable one is “Download but let me decide when to install” as that can definitely lead to unwanted installing.

           

    • #2273671

      It comes as a recommended update, but unchecked. I got both it and the Microsoft Security or Intelligence update (virus definitions for MSE) yesterday on one machine and today on another, with Chredge unchecked but the virus definition update checked and both identified as recommended (both Windows 7 Home Premium x64 sp1). I installed it on one machine yesterday to play with and hid it on the other machine today. It’s almost identical to the latest Chrome browser in the settings menus. It also comes automatically with Windows 10 Home version 2004.

       

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      • #2273904

        I confirm that.  I was looking at an old Win 7 Home machine yesterday (where I have updates set to check/notify, but not install), and I did get an offer for Chredge. It’s offered as an update to Edge, but I don’t believe that the original Edge was installed on this machine.

        I’m preparing to retire this machine, so I marked Chredge to be ignored.

         

    • #2273674

      I have Win7 pro with ESU licence, my update setting is: show me the updates, I’ll decide. So the first I heard about this was when an update showed on Tuesday as “Microsoft Edge Update for Win 7 KB4567409 > 80 MB.” Since I’m aware of Edge but already use Firefox, Chrome & Brave (for various things), I looked at some reviews of Edge and decided that it’s so similar to Chrome, I don’t need it. And this is a ‘re-vamped’ Edge, apparently, since the original didn’t catch on. The biggest plus, it seems, is that it uses less memory (Chrome is a memory hog), the biggest negative is that it uses Bing for search, which still lags behind google search — but I prefer DuckDuckGo. So my humble theory is that poor Microsoft is still pushing Bing really hard, and offering the incentive of a browser with smaller memory use — instead of fixing the real problem: improving Bing.

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    • #2273684

      Woody,

      My question is who in their right mind would install any additional software from MSFT like CREDGE with the likely hood of it being buggy as all sin and the most probable nod that MSFT will not offer security patches for yet another broken piece of software for Win7 when they would not even fix the issues created by the 1/14/20 update when they put Win7 out to pasture.

      Hmmm, ugh no thanks…..I’ll stick with Firefox.

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    • #2273689

      I kept getting a pop-up to download Chredge every time I did a search for anything using Bing. Every time it showed its ugly face I clicked on Maybe later and it stopped. I also got an update for it which I hid.

      Edition Windows 11 Pro
      Version 23H2
      Installed on ‎10/‎19/‎2022
      OS build 22631.3085

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      • #2273695

        That’s easy to fix. Don’t use Bing! 🙂

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      • #2273696

        fernlady wrote:
        I kept getting a pop-up to download Chredge every time I did a search for anything using Bing.

        Yeah, those unwanted ads are annoying – every bit as annoying as the switch-to-Chrome ads you get every time you do a search for anything using Google’s search engine.

        No fan of Bing, but just sayin’…

        • #2273793

          Yeah, those unwanted ads are annoying – every bit as annoying as the switch-to-Chrome ads you get every time you do a search for anything using Google’s search engine.

          That’s easy to fix too. Don’t use Google’s search engine! <wink>

          Use Startpage, if you must have Google results.  It’s Google’s results, but without the spying and nagging about Chrome.  Personally, I use DDG as my first choice and move on to Startpage if I don’t find the DDG results useful.

          If you search from the search bar of the browser (or the URL bar, which I personally dislike), you don’t see the Google search page.  From my memory, that’s where that nag appears, isn’t it?

           

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    • #2273698

      I just checked Windows Update and Chredge had been offered to me as an optional, recommended, update.  I just hid it.

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    • #2273703

      I hid the optional update for Windows 8.1.

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    • #2273708

      If you want use Edge just install it, if not then dont. That simple is that. Dont understand questions if should be installed or not.

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    • #2273710

      Microsoft is right in offering ChrEdge to ALL Windows 7/8.1 users as ChrEdge is more secure, faster, uses less RAM.. then Firefox, Chrome… and benefits Microsoft’s telemetry too. /s

      If you want ChrEdge, download and install manually. Manual install can be uninstalled while WU install can’t be uninstalled.

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      • #2273787

        I had no problem uninstalling it using control panel -> programs and features.

         

         

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      • #2273822

        If you download manually you have choice of 3 versions which update on different schedule.  The beta version updates less frequently and might avoid glitches in one that updates daily.

        I have not tried these-I read that on another site.

    • #2273757

      Same here, listed under Optional updates on Win 8.1

      Microsoft Edge Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB4567409)

      Download size: 80.6 MB

      You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.

      Update type: Recommended

      This update provides the latest feature and quality updates to Microsoft Edge.

      More information:
      https://support.microsoft.com/help/4567409

      Help and Support:
      https://support.microsoft.com/help/4567409

      • #2273794

        This update provides the latest feature and quality updates to Microsoft Edge.

        I realize that this is quoted from the WU description but, Windows 8.1 never came with Edge so how can it? 😉
        Yet another ‘Hide‘ in WU

        Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
        • #2273837

          Quite! I was wondering about the same thinking: ‘Have I missed something and actually did get Edge installed incautiously already’?

    • #2273786

      The market has spoken. Microsoft (all browsers) 6.3%, Chrome 63.7%

      I doubt very much Microsoft is even in the race any longer. One of the biggest pluses of Chrome is an under-the-covers auto update. Very few people even know that there browser has been updated, unless of course they read a news article about it.

      Windows Update should be set to never and it should stay that way.

      My 120 client systems have not seen a Microsoft Update in 3 years now. Not a single instance of any kind of a problem. In fact, those systems run like machines day in day out. They have essentially become Steady-state machines.

      CT

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      • #2273795

        Yes but, come 15th July 2021, that choice of browser will need to change on Windows 7.
        source:
        computerworld article

        Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
        • #2273805

          Yes but, come 15th July 2021, that choice of browser will need to change on Windows 7.
          source:
          computerworld article

          Not necessarily.  The exact quote is (emphasis mine):

          “We will continue to fully support Chrome on Windows 7 for a minimum of 18 months from Microsoft’s End of Life date, until at least July 15, 2021″.

          I did install Chrome on my Windows 7 machine to use as a backup browser.  If Google pulls support, I’ll simply uninstall it.

           

      • #2273799

        With a nod to @microfix ‘s statement about Chrome’s support timeline for Win 7 just above, I personally believe that MS should support Chredge on ALL Win 7 installations until the end of the ESU for Win 7 program. Whether or not they actually will is another completely different story, unfortunately. I just think it would be the right thing for MS to do.

        R/

        Bob99

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      • #2273807

        One of the biggest pluses of Chrome is an under-the-covers auto update. Very few people even know that there browser has been updated, unless of course they read a news article about it.

        Ditto ChrEdge. ChrEdge is auto updating ~2 days after Chrome is auto Updated.

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      • #2274009

        Canadian Tech wrote:
        The market has spoken. Microsoft (all browsers) 6.3%, Chrome 63.7%

        But has it really?

        Google’s first stable release of Chrome: 12/11/2008
        Microsoft’s first stable release of Chromium-based Edge: 1/15/2020

        Hope this helps.

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    • #2273797

      It comes as a recommended update, but unchecked. I got both it and the Microsoft Security or Intelligence update (virus definitions for MSE) yesterday on one machine and today on another, with Chredge unchecked but the virus definition update checked and both identified as recommended (both Windows 7 Home Premium x64 sp1). I installed it on one machine yesterday to play with and hid it on the other machine today. It’s almost identical to the latest Chrome browser in the settings menus. It also comes automatically with Windows 10 Home version 2004.

       

      On the machine where you installed Chredge, does Windows Services now present several “MicrosoftEdge” entries for its automatic updating?  If so (and I were you), I would set those to manual or disable them entirely.

      • #2273814

        If so (and I were you), I would set those to manual or disable them entirely.

        With updates disabled how would you know of a new security update for ChrEdge ?
        ChrEdge updates don’t use WU but update in the background.
        I would recommend enabling auto updates for any browser just like auto updating any security/anti virus app.

        • #2273825

          If so (and I were you), I would set those to manual or disable them entirely.

          With updates disabled how would you know of a new security update for ChrEdge ?
          ChrEdge updates don’t use WU but update in the background.
          I would recommend enabling auto updates for any browser just like auto updating any security/anti virus app.

          I monitor new releases on Major Geeks, and have no interest in any of the beta- or early-release versions of anything.  I have little interest in the Chredge telemetry with its mother ship.

    • #2273806

      For me is still mystery why is this update “Recommended” and not “Optional”.

      • #2273815

        For me is still mystery why is this update “Recommended” and not “Optional”.

        Recommended because of its security compared to IE11 / Classic Edge.

      • #2273819

        Microsoft long ago obliterated Windows Update category definitions.

        Microsoft Windows Updates (WU) for decades, WAS a very well-respected system for plugging holes in Windows that allowed hackers/viruses to attack. Starting in about 2015, Microsoft shifted WU to become a system with which they could control Windows. That is when Microsoft began to see Windows as something customers who bought and owned licences become more like renters than owners. Their deeds became rental agreements. That is when they started installing spyware of their own and even forcing windows 10 installations.

        It is important to note that coincident with this, Microsoft fired the QC staff for WU and decreed that the software writers become their on QC department. The quality of WU has gone down hill after that and continues to become worse and worse.

        Since 2015, WU has become more and more threatening to the stability and reliability of Windows systems. Microsoft uses WU to manipulate Windows to their best interests, not the owners of those systems.

        Starting October, 2016, MS changed WU to disallow us to control what updates were applied to our systems. They did that with their “roll-ups” which essentially are a single update with ALL of that month’s Microsoft updates. Take it or leave it.

        WU is embedded in most of the more technically inclined as a must-do without question feature of Windows. While back in the 90’s and early 2000’s that was a survival strategy that was a must do, Windows after that evolved to be a far safer platform. While at the same time antivirus software improved to the point that it caught most of the threats even before WU was installed. Bottom line, TODAY, WU has become a paranoia without justification.

        CT

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        • #2273835

          Windows as something customers who bought and owned licences become more like renters than owners

          Wrong. No user OWN Windows OS. The license bought doesn’t give users ownership but the right to use the OS on a lease while Microsoft has full ownership and can do with the OS whatever it pleases, including blocking the usage, removing, adding, changing.. parts, features…

          “License. The software is licensed, not sold….
          https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

          • #2273839

            I am not about to start an argument, but when I bought my Dell machine, I owned it. It is a machine that is for all intents and purposes, a pile of junk without a Windows OS. I did not buy a pile of junk. So, technically, you are surely correct as MS attorneys will surely attest, but for all real intents and purposes, I do own it. As long as I do not allow MS to access my computer, there is no practical way for them to change my rights.

            CT

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      • #2274072

        Anonymous wrote in Post #2273806:  For me is still mystery why is this update ‘Recommended’ and not ‘Optional'”.

        On my computer,  it is listed under the “Optional” updates.   But when I read the description on the right-hand side of the page,  it says that it’s a “Recommended Update”.  And the same applies to almost all of my “Optional” updates.   So it seems to me that an update can be both “Optional” and “Recommended”.   I’m wondering if Anonymous is confusing “Recommended” updates with “Important” updates.

         

    • #2273838

      Windows 7 Pro with 0Patch Pro.
      ChrEdge Optional : Recommended.

      Don’t see the need of hiding optional updates (there is a long list on this W7 PC).

      • #2273840

        RIGHT-click on the update, choose Hide.

        CT

      • #2273998

        Unless you install them manually, you may miss out on the servicing stack updates. I believe those only show when the update queue is empty.

        Also may as well hide them if you’re not going to install. Saves you installing them accidentally, and it’s easy to unhide.

        • #2274019

          If you are manually updating you do need to clear all updates (hide, if they aren’t going to be installed) so that the servicing stack updates show up and can be installed.


          @MrBrian
          did testing for this, back in the day… and developed recommendations, based on that testing.

          I was surprised, when I went through his testing, that I had missed a number of servicing stack updates. Clearing all updates, then running WU again, allows the servicing stack updates to show up… PKCano has included it in the instructions for updating Windows 7 and 8, ever since.

          Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

    • #2273841

      Yes, I found it on my non-ESU Windows 7 machine by virtue of the fact that I couldn’t shut down without installing it. That must have been b/c I have it set to automatic updates, as I still need Office 2010 updates, until its EOL in Oct, 2020

      To avoid problems should I uninstall it? (I never use Edge, not even in Windows 10, and I open the Windows 7 laptop only occasionally, always with the the wireless turned off, the ethernet turned on, and with no browser usage [Firefox]). I open the Windows 7 laptop because my printer for printing files from the Windows 10 laptop works only when the Windows 7 machine is turned on, because the printer is set up that way and I’ve never figured out how to switch it over to work only with the Windows 10 machine).

      • #2273844

        You might reconsider the Windows Update automatic setting… it is relatively easy to keep Windows 7 on Never Update, and then run WU when you are ready to check and choose what is available.

        The consideration about Chredge is that it checks automatically for updates, and that you might not want particular ‘features’. It is on the Chrome base, so if you use Google Chrome, you might appreciate the privacy settings that Microsoft includes.

        Personally, I like to keep a bunch of different browsers available, although Pale Moon is my daily choice. Some websites render better or worse, depending on the browser, and it is good to be able to double check whether it is the browser, or something else that is having problems.

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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    • #2273872

      Whether I install Edge from a download or Win Update in my Win 7 Home, it comes up with Oriental characters and I have no way of turning them to English.

       

      • #2273877

        Try the download from this site.

        https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge

        • #2273878

          From your link, I can also get the new Windows 10 Edge, but is getting this version a wise step?

          On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
          offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
          online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender
    • #2273883

      I installed it several months ago on my Win7 HTPC as Firefox didn’t play nice with one of the streaming services i subscribe to.  I’ve been running it during this time, alternating with Firefox.  I see no difference between the two for my purposes which are limited to streaming Netflix, Amazon Prime, ESPN+ and a couple of other services.

    • #2273890

      The consideration about Chredge is that it checks automatically for updates, and that you might not want particular ‘features’.

      That’s the deal-killer for me. Regarding Firefox, for example, more often than not I am holding off on their “latest and greatest” because it has introduced an unwanted change, either related to the UI or because Mozilla has decided to disable long-functioning and useful add-ons.

      I’m not eager to replicate that experience with Chredge, so I’m passing on it. Hidden now on all my Win7 systems that have been offered it.

      Let me decide if and when to update the browser, at my own pace, and I might let you install it on my PC.

       

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    • #2273961

      RIGHT-click on the update, choose Hide.

      Why should I ? What does hide change ?

    • #2273985

      I found it strange for Microsoft to even bother but then again it probably wasn’t hard to make Edge Chromium run on Windows 7. Chromium engine runs on a lot of operating systems including Linux. This is mostly why Microsoft adopted Chromium engine for its broad support of desktop OS. The way Microsoft engineered Edge legacy it made it nearly impossible to back support it to Windows 7 or 8. Microsoft finally learned that more platform support is good for products. You have a lot of Windows 7 users in poorer countries who run it on older hardware that doesn’t support Windows 10.

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    • #2273997

      For alternate Chromium but not Chrome browsers, I use Brave. Been getting on quite fine with it.

      Just a shame it doesn’t have the toolbar & Page Title, that I miss from IE.

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      • #2274046

        For alternate Chromium but not Chrome browsers, I use Brave. Been getting on quite fine with it. Just a shame it doesn’t have the toolbar & Page Title, that I miss from IE.

        Vivaldi allows you to have those if you wish, while using the Chromium engine.

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