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AskWoody LoungerThis thread totally rings a bell here, since I came to essentialy the same conclusions back in late 2021, when I was looking to replace an aging (anche cheap) membrane keyboard with something better. There is a wide range of mechanical gaming keyboards that are actually perfectly suited for non-gaming activities and the most difficult thing for me was to actually find one without RGB lights (which I don’t like) and looks that be acceptable in an office.
In the end I picked a Logitech G413 in the black variant with red back lighting. Its looks are, shall we say, “mundane” compared to your average gaming keyboard, but that means it will not look odd or out of place in an office environment. Frankly, I would have preferred no back lighting at all, but I have been using this keyboard for more than a year now and admittedly its red backlighting is unobtrusive once you get used to it. Besides, it is possible to reduce or switch off the light entirely and that without installing any additional piece of software (albeit without software the keyboard does not save this setting once the computer is turned off).
Honestly I thought all the talk about mechanical keyboards allowing for faster typing was purely for the sake of advertisement, but I was surprised to realize I’m actually typing faster with this keyboard. It did not occur me immediately, at least not until I was back working from the office a few days every week, where we are issued with regular membrane keyboards. A quick typing test with the office keyboard and the G413 at home showed the mechanical keyboard really allow me to type faster.
As far as my specific Logitech keyboard is concerned (G413), the only – not necessarily minor – drawback is that after around 1 year of use some keycaps are “peeling” and the keycap for the “A” key in particular now looks mostly transparent. Logitech keyboards use their own type of switches (so-called “Romer-G” switches), so finding good replacement keycaps is not the simplest of things: there seems to be few providers of keycaps compatible with the Romer-G switches, as opposed to e.g. the more widely used Cherry switches mounted on mechanical keyboards from many other manufacturers, and those making quality keycaps rather than cheap stuff that will peel off faster than the originals seem to be even fewer.
Still, I don’t think that I will go back to a membrane keyboard if I need to replace my G413. On the other hand, I will likely pay more attention to the material the keycaps are made of for my next keyboard and pick something more durable.
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AskWoody LoungerFebruary 4, 2023 at 8:24 am in reply to: Installing CPU cooler for LGA1700 on Asus Prime Z790-P board using LGA1200 holes #2531518You are welcome, glad this was useful for you too.
Regarding the CPU/motherboard:
- I’m more inclined to pick the 13600KF CPU, since based on my needs/intended use it has a better performance/price ratio than the 13700KF;
- An alternative to the Asus Prime Z790-P that I’m considering is the MSI PRO Z790-P. Both boards are in the same price range and have similar features. The main difference in terms of hardware is that the MSI board has an Intel LAN chip, while the Asus board has one from Realtek. My current build is based on a MSI motherboard and I have nothing to complain about it, so I’d be happy to pick the MSI board if the one from Asus turns out to be unavailable.
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AskWoody LoungerFebruary 3, 2023 at 11:32 am in reply to: Installing CPU cooler for LGA1700 on Asus Prime Z790-P board using LGA1200 holes #2531376Hey TechTango,
I did have a not-so-good experience with an AIO liquid cooler several years back when the tubing began to show signs of deterioration and I replaced the whole thing (with an air cooler) in order to prevent leakage and the obvious consequences in case the tubes deteriorated further. It left me with a bad taste because of course that happened shortly after expiry of the warranty.
Guess we could say the above is the main reason why I would like to stick with an air cooler, i.e. they seem to be more durable than AIO liquid coolers. Still, my above experience could simply be a case of bad luck or maybe quality back then was not the best and new AIO liquid coolers are instead more durable and better manufactured nowadays.
Since the CPU I plan to install in my next desktop generates quite some heat, this might be my chance to try one of the newer AIO liquid coolers (assuming I can find one which is not overflowing with RGB/leds). Otherwise, it seems that the alternative would be to pick one of those extremely bulky air coolers from e.g. Noctua or be quiet!, but that means budgeting a case large enough to fit those coolers.
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AskWoody LoungerFebruary 1, 2023 at 2:23 am in reply to: Installing CPU cooler for LGA1700 on Asus Prime Z790-P board using LGA1200 holes #2530887Ok, posting some additional info I managed to find/obtained while researching on this topic in case anyone else might find it useful.
Apparently, one can use the LGA1200 holes on the Asus Prime Z790-P board to install a LGA1700-compatible cooler, but it is not really recommended because the pressure on the CPU’s integrated heat spreader (IHS) has ideal ranges and changing the screw hole location (i.e. using LGA1200 holes instead of the LGA1700 holes) will change the pressure application with possible negative effects on cooling performance.
Also, I found out that the ColerMaster Master Air MA612 Stealth is rated for a TDP of 150W, but the 13600KF CPU has a maximum TDP of 181W and the 13700KF of 253W, meaning that the MA612 would not be enough to properly cool either of the above CPUs. In other words, a bigger air cooler (or a liquid cooler) are needed to keep these CPUs “fresh and sound”.
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AskWoody LoungerWindows 10 Home 21H2 here, hid as per my usual practice KB4023057 and installed 2023-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5022282) without any issue through WuMgr.
Oddly enough, I had trouble with the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.109 (KB890830) update, did this happen to anyone else?
On the first attempt (through WuMgr) KB890830 was downloaded, but the installation remained stuck (20+ minutes) doing nothing and in Task Manager I spotted the executable corresponding to the update running, but “idling” doing nothing at 1% CPU usage. I killed the process, rebooted and ran WuMgr again: it reported KB890830 as already downloaded and I hit the install button, but the installation was apparently stuck again. This time in Task Manager I spotted MRT.exe (i.e. the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool executable) “idling”. Killed the process, rebooted, ran WuMgr and it reported a successful install of KB890830.
Also, I planned to switch to 22H2 during this DEFCON4 period, but I’m not being offered this feature update (no, please don’t say it’s because I avoid KB4023057, since I have been offered every previous feature update). I checked that 22H2 is the target version in the relevant registry key and running InControl confirms that 22H2 is targeted, but the update does not show up. Might have to go through the ISO update process.
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 22, 2023 at 4:31 am in reply to: Installing CPU cooler for LGA1700 on Asus Prime Z790-P board using LGA1200 holes #2525772Thanks for your reply SB9K. I was unable to find the cooler’s manual online or at least the version of the manual that ships with the cooler following its LGA1700 compatibility. Based on the picture, it looks like I will not need to buy a separate LGA1700 mounting-kit nor need to use the LGA1200 holes on the motherboard, since the mounting bracket that ships with the MA612 has the necessary LGA1700 holes for installing it using the corresponding holes on the motherboard.
I’m still curious to hear if anyone here had any experience installing an LGA1700 cooler using the LGA1200 holes on the Asus motherboard and can vouch for or against this type of installation of the cooler.
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AskWoody LoungerDecember 8, 2022 at 3:51 am in reply to: Why can’t Windows provide their own drive partition tool? #2504375Used MiniTool Partition Wizard the one time I needed to mess around with the partitions on my disk and it worked perfectly for me. Also used it for migrating the OS from a mechanical disk to an SSD and that went without an issue as well.
I have mixed feelings about MS providing their own drive partition tool. It would certainly be handy to have such a tool added as an integral feature of Windows. However, third party tools like MiniTool seem to work just fine and I would not be too surprised if what MS could come up with turns out to be limited in the type of actions it can perform or, even worse, buggy (considering the quality of updates, I have some reservations about new features as well…).
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AskWoody LoungerThanks Alex. I’m still on .NET 3.x/4.x, so that explains why I’m offered updates for those versions. KB5017500 was released on September 13, 2022 as noted here.
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AskWoody LoungerBoth my machine (Win10 21H2 Home, the other Win 10 21H2 Pro) are offered KB5017500. Interestingly, the label assigned by WU to this update in my local language translates to “Preview Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 21H2“, but the corresponding KB article and all other websites discussing this update do not label it as a “Preview” update.
I am under the impression that whoever applied the label in my local language to the update did a mistake and this is not in fact a preview update. Did anyone else notice the same issue and/or can anyone confirm this is not a preview update? Thanks!
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AskWoody LoungerThanks Susan! I rarely use Access, most of my time using Office is spent with either Word or Excel, so I will go ahead and install this security update too.
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AskWoody LoungerI’m running Office 2013 on Windows 10 21H2 Home and have a quick question regarding the Access bug caused by KB5002121: can someone please clarify whether it is preferable to install this security patch despite the bug or whether we should skip it and wait for the fixed version? Thanks in advance.
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AskWoody LoungerUpdated both my machines to 21H2 and in each case the installation was pretty fast, both when moving from Home 20H2 to 21H2 (ISO method) and from Pro 21H1 to 21H2 (using WUMgr).
Regarding the suggestion for Consumer/Home users to use the “metered” connection trick, I found a while ago that this no longer seems to be as efficient as it used to be in the past in order to avoid updates (at least on Windows 10 Home). Some updates (notably KB4023057) were automatically downloaded even on a metered connection and I seem to remember that also monthly CUs and Feature updates could “bypass” the metered connection. This is the reason why I moved to WUMgr to entirely avoid automatic updates and take back control of what patches I want to install and when.
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AskWoody LoungerI never set the Windows 10 deferral days exactly because it
(1) prevents WUMgr, wushowhide or other tools to “see” what updates are available and hide them
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(2) as soon as the deferral period expires (or you hit “resume updates”) Windows 10 promptly downloads and installs all available updates.Setting up my connection as metered no longer seems to be as efficient as it used to be in the past, at least on Windows 10 Home: some updates (notably KB4023057 and also monthly CUs) are downloaded even when setting connection as metered and then I get a constant reminder to install them.
I actually found WUMgr to be my preferred method to take control of the updating process: I have disabled automatic updates through WUMgr while leaving my connection as unmetered and I set no deferral days. With this setup I don’t receive any automatic updates for Windows 10 nor driver updates and I can check for and install patches at my leisure through WUMgr. At the same time, Defender updates still install automatically (which is prevented on a metered connection).
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AskWoody LoungerFurther to my post above, I confirm that KB5005463 (PC Health Check Application) is now offered also on my Windows 10 Pro 21H2 machine.
BTW, I still prefer to hide this and avoid installation: even if it updates “only” important application (PC Health) updates, rather than providing Windows updates, I just have to take care of a couple of PCs and I can well decide on my own when to install updates for Windows and other programs, without being forced to accept automatic updates.
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