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As NVtech777 pointed out, Edge has an IE mode that “should” allow you to open that site and run the Java app.

To enable IE mode:

1. Open Edge and enter edge://settings/defaultBrowser
2. Change the “Allow sites to be reloaded in Internet Explorer mode” to Allow
3. Click the Restart button for the change to take effect.

After Edge restarts

1. Open the site that requires Java.
2. Click the settings dots.
3. Scroll down to “Reload in Internet Explorer mode”
4. You “should” get the prompt asking if you want to let the Java app run.

I tried this with my own Edge (v93.0.961.38) and it worked perfectly (BTW, you’ll see an IE icon just to the left of a site’s URL while viewing it in IE mode.)

You could then add the site to the list shown below the “Allow sites to be reloaded in Internet Explorer mode” option so it opens in IE mode each time you open it, but that list is only good for 30 days before you’d have to add it again.

Since this seems like a situation where you’ll be visiting the site more often than that, a better option would be to enable “Enterprise Mode” and add it to an external “site list” file so Edge always opens it in IE mode.

• Enable IE mode and use a site list with Edge

The above instructions make it seem like it’s difficult but, as long as you get the path to your site list set correctly, it’s actually very simple to just manually create the list (it’s a simple XML text file) and place it at the location you specified.

Good luck!

JRE stands for “Java Runtime Environment” which is the software used to “run” Java apps.

JDK stands for “Java Development Kit” and, while it includes the JRE, it also contains the modules needed to actual “create” Java apps.

To determine exactly which version you have installed, run java -version from a cmd prompt.

The most current version of Java 8 (which still includes the browser plugin) is 1.8.0_311 which, as you noted, was just released yesterday.

Note: Oracle “removed” the browser plugin starting with Java version 9 but that’s not really a problem if you’re already running version 8 as Java updates don’t cross “revision” boundaries (i.e. Java 8 will never update itself to Java 9, 9 to 10, 10 to 11, etc., etc.)

So, why is 1.8.0_xxx called Java 8, 1.9.0_xxx Java 9, etc., etc.?

No one knows for sure, but most users speculate it’s just a marketing ploy because progressing from Java 8 to 9, to 10, to 11, etc. sounds “much better” than going from Java 1.8 to 1.9, to 1.10, to 1.11, etc.

is it actually a Java app or is it just running JavaScript?

If it’s JavaScript, all model browsers support that but it might be disabled in your Edge (visit the below link to check.)

Is JavaScript enabled?

If it’s an actual java app, you’ll need to download and install an older version of a browser, like Firefox 52.xx, that still included support for java apps

Index of firefox releases

Also, Java versions newer than JRE 8.xx no longer include the “browser plugin” required for java apps to work in a browser.

Index of Java 8 releases

Good luck!

 

Ken,

We’re not trying to convince you to suddenly trust/use Defender, we’re trying to help you enable ASR.

One of the requirements for ASR to work is Microsoft Defender Antivirus must be running with real-time protection in “Active” mode.

The catch here is, if a 3rd party AV product was installed as the “default” Antivirus protection (i.e. Malwarebytes, Webroot, etc., etc.), Defender automatically enters “Passive” mode. Microsoft did this because having 2 “different” AV products trying to protect a system at the same time can cause lots of problems (sometimes they’ll fight with each other to control what’s allowed to run on the PC.)

Note: as was pointed out by RetiredGeek, “some” 3rd party AV products like Malwarebytes can be setup to work hand-in-hand with Defender in Active mode, but may require special installation procedures.

Your problem is you currently have 3rd party AV programs installed as the “default” Antivirus protection for your system which forces Defender to always be in Passive mode.

At this point, the only way to get Defender into Active mode is:

1. Uninstall your 3rd party AV products (Defender “should” automatically enter Active mode once they’re gone.)
2. Reboot.
3. Reinstall your 3rd party AV products without setting any of them as the “default” Antivirus protection for your system.
4. Enable ASR.

RetiredGeek already covered how to install Malwarebytes while keeping Defender in Active mode.

Unfortunately, a quick web search shows Webroot has no optional install procedure to keep Defender in Active mode (i.e. it’ll revert to Passive mode once Webroot is installed.)

So, if you “really” want to enable ASR, you’ll have to forgo using Webroot.

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RetiredGeek

Ken,

RetiredGeek’s instruction were to uninstall both apps, not just turn them off.

If the RpcAuthnLevelPrivacyEnabled value is not present.

1. Start regedit and navigate to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Print key
2. Right-click a blank area in the right-hand panel and select New > DWORD (32-bit) Value and name it RpcAuthnLevelPrivacyEnabled.
3. The default setting for the new value should already be 0

Note, this setting only applies to the PC the printer is directly connected to (the server) not the one trying to print remotely (the client.)

It’s a hidden protected system folder so, to see it, you need to select the “Show hidden files, folders, and drives” and uncheck the “Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)” on the View tab of Folder Options.

JohnDeaux,

You’re not the only one who doesn’t understand why certain folders Windows creates function the way they do.

I.e. for every “user folder” in C:\Users\ there’s a folder in C:\Users\user’s name\AppData\Local\ called “Application Data” that’s actually a junction pointing to C:\Users\user’s name\AppData\Local\

That’s correct, it actually points to its own location, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?!?!

It also means any search of a user’s folder will always return a massive amount of results because that particular junction causes the same folder to keep getting searched over and over again ad infinitum.

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JohnDeaux

JohnDeaux,

The attachment in your post #2395824 shows you’re using OneDrive.

Your issue could have been resolved much quicker if you’d mentioned that to begin with as the duplicate folders you’re worried about are most likely the “special” icons OneDrive creates for items that have been synced with the cloud.

Don’t use OneDrive myself so can’t help you with exactly why the contents aren’t the same between the same folders, but a quick google search reveals many instances were others have multiple OneDrive folders on their PC’s with different dates for the files in them (seems to be an issue with exactly how OneDrive is set to sync items between your PC and the cloud.)

Alex5723,

As I pointed out in post #2395531, C:\Users\All Users is a symlinkd that points to C:\ProgramData.

If you run the following command from an elevated cmd prompt…

dir C:\USERS\*. /a /s | findstr /i "<SYMLINKD> <JUNCTION>"

You’ll see it’s listed as a <SYMLINKD> for you as well.

So you don’t have any duplicate files as everything you “think” is in C:\Users\All Users is actually in C:\ProgramData.

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Alex5723

The data you posted further down about the properties for those folders indicates they all point to the exact same location on drive P. That means there’s no actual “duplication” of any files (i.e. they’re only using 70GB of storage on drive P:)

Also, it’s not possible to have a folder on drive C: with an actual location on drive P: without it being either a shortcut, symlink, junction or a “mapped” folder from another drive (I suspect C:\John D\DATA was “mapped” to P:\INSTALL_J-6\DATA instead of it being a shortcut, symlink or junction.)

As far as how much actual storage is being used, Windows explorer and CMD will always show how much storage the real folder that’s being pointed to (in this case P:\INSTALL_J-6\DATA) is using. I’ve never used WinDirStat or WizTree so am not sure exactly what they do/don’t display as far as symbolic links are concerned.

Anyway, at this point you now know you’re not using any more storage that what’s being shown for the folder on drive P and could just ignore the duplicate DATA folders.

However, if you still want to get rid of them, post here and I can provide instructions on how to safely do that.

BTW, if you do ask for those instructions, please add your post to the “end” of this whole thread to help keep it clean and presentable.

You’re right, there’s no DATA folder listed which means neither one is a symlinkd nor junction.

So, right-click on each folder and select the Properties option at the bottom of the context window.

In the Properties window that opens, note the values shown in the Type: and Location: fields.

Post the values you get here and we should be able to help determine what’s going on.

Happy to help.

Just checked the Update Catalog and, while the webpage you get sent to does include all the new data you indicated, the actual More Information & Support URL links shown in the catalog are still the same as before.

i.e. the link for the new 2021-10 KB5006670 for Win10 2004 or newer is https://support.microsoft.com/help/5006670

Since the new URLs are “way too long” to easily fit in the small info window that opens when you click the title of a KB in the catalog, they’ll most likely keep “redirecting” the shorter links to the correct support page and your script will still work as expected.

Of course we are talking about Microsoft here, so who knows?!?!

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wavy, oldfry

Personally, I don’t use “in the cloud” storage… way too much chance it wouldn’t be there when I really needed it. Instead I backup my data to “removable” drives (i.e. they’re only connected when I actually do a backup/restore to reduce the risk the backups might get infected.)

I also keep a bootable USB drive with the current version of Win10 I’m using on it that can be used to restore things if a drive fails on me.

Since I’ve never actually used OneDrive ( (in fact, it’s completely disabled on my PC) I’d be a bit in the dark as to how to help if that’s his problem but, since one of his folders is located in a Desktop link (Desktop > John D > DATA), I “suspect” it may be either a symlinkd or junction that just points to the actual DATA folder.

My Uncle has such a folder on the Desktop of his 6 PC’s that points to the real folder containing the various utilities I use to help him whenever he encounters problems.

Just FYI…

On my own PC, which only has me as a user, the “All Users” folder located in C:\Users is a symlinkd that’s not hidden (it points to C:\ProgramData.)