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    • in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Time to get the November patches installed #2015926
      frankus333
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      G’day folks

      I have successfully updated three Win 7 machines (a 64 bit laptop, and a 32 bit laptop and desktop tower), including the SSU on all three.

      I tried to update Office 365 as usual, and it told me it had done it in the usual way on each one. I run the check for updates again on each one, to confirm I get the message that Office 365 is up to date, and on all three, it goes through the update routine again, telling me it has successfully updated and I can use it again, but each time I check again, the cycle repeats.

      These machines have always updated and checked correctly in the past. The two 32 bit machines are not currently connected to a licence, but this has never been a problem with updating the Office 365 software in the past.

      Has anyone seen this as well? Are they correctly updating, as they report, and the check is not seeing this, or are they not updating? Is it something to do with Win 7 coming to EOL?

      in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Time to get the November patches installed #2015289
      frankus333
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      Re last paragraph above; maybe switching back to metered connection before hitting Resume Updates would give a bit more protection while running wushowhide.

      Re the ability to see optional updates; this is only when the Pause updating has been removed (Resume Updates)

      All in all, a very tidy useful development

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      in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Time to get the November patches installed #2015281
      frankus333
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      This was my question as well, as per my previous posts:

      Edit; this link goes to the top of the posts, not my post, which I had selected.  My posts start at #2003792.

      MS-DEFCON 2: With Patch Tuesday tomorrow, and a Win10 1909 upgrade waiting in the wings, now’s a good time to check that Automatic Update’s temporarily turned off

      Also, I gleaned from Woody’s comments in the latest Computerworld article on DefCon rating set to 4 for November patching that it might be the known reliability of the technique of hitting the Pause three times, over the precise setting option, that makes it the recommended way to go. (sorry; couldn’t figure out how to copy the relevant paragraph)

      Now that DefCon is at 4, I pressed the Resume Updates button, WU immediately checked for updates, and three updates (Nov CU, MSRT and a Realtek driver I allowed through) downloaded automatically, and then sat patiently waiting for the Active Hours to end. I pressed the Restart Now button and the updating completed normally. I was left with only the optional feature update to 1909 sitting there, but not trying to download; i.e.; really optional.

      I think the precision of being able to easily set the pause day and date, and vary it easily if desired, is the better way to go, and what I will continue using. I am now a happy camper. I can leave my internet connection normal, unmetered, and WU updating paused to the precise Sunday before each patch Tuesday, and the only updating that occurs automatically is Defender. Optional feature (and cumulative) updates can be seen but are not a threat. The way it should be, at last!!

      Edit: Oops; forgot to check how easy it is to use wushowhide as per my previous post #2004565 in above string of posts.  The Check for Updates does start immediately after Resume is pressed, so one would have to be quick to hide the unwanted update(s) in the scenario where a bad patch was part of the offering and the others were OK and desired to be downloaded.  Perhaps I can check this when Dec patches are ready for DefCon 4.

      • This reply was modified 11 months, 3 weeks ago by frankus333.
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      frankus333
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      G’day again folks

      Looks like my hunch was correct; Defender updates don’t download automatically on metered connection. I had set my ethernet connection to unmetered a couple of days ago, and Defender updated its definitions automatically. Other updates did not present themselves, indicating that the new Pause updates feature works well, even when metering is set to off.

      Now that DefCon is at 4, I pressed the Resume Updates button, WU immediately checked for updates, and three updates (Nov CU, MSRT and a Realtek driver I allowed through) downloaded automatically, and then sat patiently waiting for the Active Hours to end. I pressed the Restart Now button and the updating completed normally.

      I am now a happy camper. I can leave my internet connection normal, unmetered, and WU updating paused to the precise Sunday before each patch Tuesday, and the only updating that occurs is Defender. The way it should be, at last!!

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      frankus333
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      Thanks PKCano

      If that Select Date pulldown has both day and date showing, as in Home, then Pro has everything Home does, to make precise sync around Patch Tuesday easy.

      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      frankus333
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      G’day folks

      I have had a closer look over the previous posts about setting up deferral of updates in Pro and Home, and it seems to me there is a difference in the dialogue boxes offered under the Advanced Options button on the Windows Update settings page.

      This may account for my sense of missing something in these exchanges.

      In Pro, there are apparently two dialogue boxes (plus the Semi Annual Channel box), which allow you to set the number of days (not a specific day/date) deferral of both quality updates and feature updates. In Home, there is only 1 dialogue box, but it allows you to set a specific Pause Updates day/date, which allows easier, more precise synchronisation around Patch Tuesday each month.

      If Pro doesn’t have the specific day/date selection that Home now has, that would seem to make prediction of exactly when updates will become available relative to the next Patch Tuesday less easy to calculate in Pro. I think I prefer the Home option over the more involved Pro option, as long as it is reliable (my original concern).

      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      frankus333
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      Thanks b

      If Pro has the same Pause options as Home now does (plus the additional policy setting options that are recommended to be used), I still find it curious why these Pause options have never been mentioned in the recommendations as far as I have noticed.  If the Pause option is reliable, it seems an easier and more precise way to hold off updates, to a consistent predictable date (e.g.; weekend prior to Patch Tuesday, reset each month).  Hence my original question about their reliability.

      I must be missing something here, but that is fine; I will continue my experiments with the new pause options, which so far seem to be working great for me. Fingers crossed.

      frankus333
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      Thanks Imacri

      I am using only Defender for malware protection, and it is set up as normal, with the Quick Scan option, which seems to run periodically.  I couldn’t find any setting related to the periodic scanning option you mention.  I guess that is because I don’t have another AV product installed.

      I am suspecting that the updating is held off by my wifi being set to Metered. When the 7 days rolled around and I got the message that the Defender update was available, on the WU page it said something about updates being available, but charges may apply. At first I thought that the pausing updates was not working afterall, but was able to confirm with wushowhide that the “updates available” referred only to a defender definitions update. Why it waits until 7 days to alert me is unclear; why not any time an update is available?

      At the time I just went ahead and removed the Metered setting and pushed the Dowmload Now button on the WU page, and Defender definitions were updated. I didn’t wait to see if they would download automatically.

      My plan is to wait until the Windows updates are safe later in the month, and then remove the Metered setting and see if Defender updates automatically. In the meantime, I will probably get another prompt after the next 7 day interval, and will cautiously explore that in more detail at the time, depending on the status of Windows Updates.

      If I want to update definitions at any time, I use the manual update definitions option in the Defender settings page. That doesn’t require me to remove the Metered setting.

      So far the Advanced Options Pause updates I have set (to December 8th) seems to be holding off the presentation of all updates other then defender definitions, which is great.

      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
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      frankus333
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      Thanks Tom-R

      I am planning to check this out later in the month when the updates become acceptable.  I’m hoping that the “Resume updates” button doesn’t include an immediate “Check for Updates” command, and there will be enough time to run wushowhide and deal with them.   I will leave my wifi set to Metered as well, in the hope of a little extra shielding.  Fingers crossed.

      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      frankus333
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      Thanks Moderator; that was what I did, twice, but it failed both times.

      Cheers

      Edit; it worked this time, but the search is still misfiring.

      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      frankus333
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      This reply should be up under #2004100 but I can’t seem to get it there.  (Also, the site search function is not taking me to post numbers I enter into the search box; goes to other posts of mine in same thread.?!)

      Thanks b and Woody

      I agree that checking and confirming whatever settings used each month is wise, and no real bother.

      If I become aware of any worthwhile updates that are issued during the pause period, I presume I can take the pause off with the “Resume updates” button, and filter with wushowhide.   After that, resetting the pause to any specific day/date again (probably back to the weekend before Patch Tuesday) is quick and easy.

      It simplifies the article – the Pause Updates option is available for both Home and Pro.

      I only have Home, so can’t see, but does this mean the “Advanced options” possibility of setting a specific day/date to pause until is not available in Pro?  If so, that seems a bit unfair for Pro users who don’t want to get into the intricacies of policy settings.

      Cheers

      Moderator note: To “nest” a reply to a post, click on REPLY at the top of post you want to respond to.

      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      • This reply was modified 1 year ago by frankus333.
      frankus333
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      G’day folks

      Re my above query about Defender automatically updating; it seems it does if I wait long enough (7 days).  The update gets through the above advanced pausing setting, and presents itself as ready to download, and doesn’t download automatically.

      That sounds OK, but I’d prefer it updated its definitions every day.  I don’t suppose there is a way to make it do that on a Home machine?

      Cheers

      frankus333
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      G’day folks

      Just wondering why the “hit pause updates for 7 days three times” is still recommended over the advanced option of setting a specific day/date, as per my previous post #2001357?

      Is it the case that the recommended method holds for each month without having to be reset (which the advanced method requires)?

      If so, is that really an advantage? Is the timing automatically synchronised at each patch Tuesday, or from whenever the updates start to download (not really a safe option)?

      Cheers

      frankus333
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      G’day folks

      I was running Win 10 Home 1809 (not Pro with all the settings options), and a few days ago I allowed the feature update to 1903, to ensure I could easily get it, before having to fend off the upcoming 1909 offering. There is what seems a great improvement in the Advanced Options for pausing updates; allowing a setting of a very specific day/date up to 35 days into the future to hold off updates.

      Just wondering why this option has not been recommended, instead of the process Woody recommends, of hitting the “Pause updates for 7 days” button three times? Does this soon to be fixed bug mean this new setting was not to be trusted?

      If it works reliably, I envisage setting it to the weekend before patch Tuesday each month, which seems to be about when Woody tends to raise the DefCon level. I have set it up this way for this month (resuming updating on 8th December), and the setting hasn’t disappeared or changed through reboots over the last few days so far.

      Also just wondering whether pausing updates prevents Defender from automatically updating definitions? I thought Defender was supposed to automatically update its definitions regularly (daily, or after each reboot?), but it doesn’t seem to be doing so.

      Anyway, I am enjoying being able to allow my wifi to connect automatically at each boot, and not having to disable WU after each 24 hours or so.  (Setting wifi to metered didn’t seem to block all updating; only feature updating.)  Fingers crossed.  At last, this is the next best thing, if we can’t have reliable indefinite deferral, as per Win 7/8.1.

      Cheers

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      in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: It’s time to get patched #1999373
      frankus333
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      G’day again folks

      As per my above post, can anybody comment on how reliable/trustworthy this new Win 10 1903 advanced option of setting a very specific day/date to extend the pausing of updates to, as opposed to the option Woody recommends, of hitting the “Pause updates for 7 days” button three times?

      If it works reliably, I envisage setting it to the weekend before patch Tuesday each month, which seems to be about when Woody raises the DefCon level.

      Also just wondering whether pausing updates prevents Defender from automatically updating definitions? I thought Defender was supposed to automatically update its definitions regularly (daily, or after each reboot?), but it doesn’t seem to be doing so.

      Anyway, I am enjoying being able to allow my wifi to connect automatically, and not having to disable WU after each 24 hours or so.  At last, this is the next best thing, if we can’t have reliable indefinite deferral, as per Win 7/8.1.

      Cheers

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