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ch100 wrote:

Susan is probably right, because the printing issue is so obscure that it does not even deserve attention.

I hope that, as everyone occasionally does, you dashed this off without thinking much about it, because what you’re saying is sort of like saying that West Nile Virus is obscure because, statistically, it infects very few people. If you’re one of the few it infects, it’s significant to you. There’s a line in Joseph Heller’s “Catch 22” (I hope I’m correctly remembering who says what) when Orr complains that the Germans are shooting at him. Yossarian says, “They’re not shooting at you–they’re shooting at everybody.” And Orr says, “Yes, but the bullets are hitting me.” Likewise, the printing bug may bite only a few, but its impact is significant to the user whose business depends on the ability to print IRS forms from the internet.

GaryK

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Jan K. wrote:

ch100 wrote:

Susan is probably right, because the printing issue is so obscure that it does not even deserve attention…

Tell that to gkarasik…

Thanks. I wasn’t going to address CH100’s comment because it was so bizarre,  but I guess I’ll have to.

GaryK

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Alice

ViperJohn wrote:

MrBrian wrote:

Workarounds are at https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platform/issues/12349663/.

Yeah and look at the Microsoft response:
Hello, Thank you for providing your feedback on IE11. We are not accepting feedback on Internet Explorer through this portal any longer (unless security related). We welcome any feedback you have on Microsoft Edge through this website. If this is blocking enterprise deployment, please follow the CSS escalation process to engage MS support (GES, General Escalation Service) and file a servicing request. Best Wishes, The MS Edge Team
The correct response should have been “We will forward this info to the appropriate parties ASAP.” Viper

This makes me wonder if there isn’t a serious problem going forward: If this isn’t fixed, will the problem be included in future rollups? And does that mean that no one who has the problem can apply any future security fix?

GaryK

ViperJohn wrote:

PKCano wrote:

.Net 4.7 was a checked update for Win7 this Patch Tues. There was a problem with a missing D3DCompiler .Dll if it was installed without the Rollup. The .dll was supposed to be included in June Rollup for Win7 but not in the security-only patch. See https://www.askwoody.com/2017/net-framework-4-7-is-now-available-for-win7-sp1/ There were some other cautions also. Perhaps the KB 4022719 and .NET4.7 installations are tied to the problems? Edit to add content

MS really botched the Net Framework 4.7 release from the gitgo. You could get 4.7 (and I did) about 3 or 4 weeks ago. The problem is 4.7 has a dependency on a DLL file (D3DCompiler_47.dll) that is normally not in a Windows 7 install as noted here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4020302/the-net-framework-4-7-installation-is-blocked-on-windows-7-windows-ser My understanding is that installing Net Framework 4.7 on a Win7 system from Windows Update can also be problematic. The needed D3DCompiler_47.dll may not get installed at all sometimes or worse yet get installed by the June rollup only to be uninstalled if the Rollup is taken out by a System Restore to correct other June update issues which then breaks Net-Fr 4.7. For Windows 7 users you can get the needed D3DCompiler_47.dll by installing KB4019990 in either x86 or x64 flavors as required. You can follow that up with KB3186497 which is the offline installer for Net Framework 4.7 if needed. Voper

Thanks, but I’m not sure about this. I installed just the rollup, and then I installed NetFramework47 after that. The problem presented when the rollup was removed, and the problem went away when I reinstalled the rollup.

GaryK

woody wrote:

EverWilli, posting on the Microsoft Answers forum, describes a problem with the latest Win7 Monthly Rollup, KB 4022719: After installing KB4022719 our[See the full post at: Win7 Monthly Rollup KB 4022719 triggers printing problems in Internet Explorer]

Woody,

Just a heads-up for others: I tested 4022719 on several sandbox systems, found no problems, and cleared it for installation on production systems. Yesterday I got a call from a CPA who suddenly couldn’t print forms from an IRS.GOV site. Uninstalling 4022719 solved that problem but created another: A pair of the user’s Intuit utilities would no longer run, complaining that they couldn’t find D3DCompiler_47.Dll. I reinstalled 4022719 which solved the D3DCompiler_47.dll problem but brought back the printing problem. I then used system restore to regress the system to before the installation of 4022719. That solved the printing problem but left the user vulnerable to the other problems 4022709 addresses. I will open a security-patch support ticket with MS Monday, but in the interim I’m now looking for patches I can apply manually to mitigate these other vulnerabilities.

People should know that if problems with 4027719 show up, a simple uninstall may not be an out; uninstalling it can have unintended consequences.

GaryK

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GoneToPlaid

anonymous wrote:

Okay we got another MAJOR screw up with Security Only Quality Update KB4022722 (and most likely the Rollup too) in both x86 and x64 flavors.

I have found another – after installing KB4022722 I found that I couldn’t move i.e. “cut” followed by “paste” files from my Downloads folder to an external HDD. I kept getting strange messages similar to “the specified location does not exist”. Uninstalling the patch didn’t solve matters, and I had to revert to an earlier system image. One post I saw on similar problems suggested using “Folder Fix” – which didn’t! Any suggestions?

I’m not seeing this or the reported printing problems on my systems.

GaryK

ViperJohn wrote:

Okay we got another MAJOR screw up with Security Only Quality Update KB4022722 (and most likely the Rollup too) in both x86 and x64 flavors. After installling you get a “Item Not Found” popup when trying to rename folders which you can then click through and complete the rename clicking the “Try Again” button. Note this has happened so many times before with updates it can be classed as a “Lather, Rinse, Repeat” screwup. It’s probably just a matter of restoring the correct default Folder Descriptions in the registry but I haven’t tried that yet. Viper

Just to help narrow this down: I’m not seeing it on any of my Win7/Ent/32bit/SP1 machines.

GaryK

I hope there will soon be an out-of-band fix, either a rollback or a repair of just the cause of this particular problem. And, ideally, not requiring a restart.

GaryK

GaryK

Please will someone confirm or deny my experience with super-slow downloads from the MS update servers. I’m trying to determine if it’s a global or local problem.

GaryK

Noel Carboni wrote:

I don’t mean to be critical, but what’s interesting is that idle comments like “Can’t believe Microsoft is still fiddling with XP” may be influencing them into making some very wrong choices and shorten support periods of operating systems going forward, or at least commit to support less strongly. Do you really want people to be forced to change out something that works for a particular purpose just because the maker chooses not to “fiddle” with it any longer? Put another way, do you think an “operating system as a service” model is realistic? Serious people in the past wouldn’t choose to use a product that’s critical to their business without a strong promise of support. Whether support is something Microsoft can just choose not to commit to any more and get away with it remains to be seen. There are big, subtle concepts in play here. We should be thankful that Microsoft continues to “fiddle” with XP and release nice patches for people still using it. Your local ATM machine may still be running XP embedded, and somehow I think you’d probably rather a ransom not be drawn directly from your account. -Noel

It would be nice if we could influence them, but Microsoft stopped listening to us a while ago.

GaryK

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ch100

Just ran Microsoft Update on two XP/SP3 machines. No new updates.

GaryK

Sessh wrote:

I’ve never been much of a book worm. I have a book called “War Is A Racket” by Smedley Butler that I still haven’t read entirely and it’s not even a long book, but very interesting how the motives of war back in the early 1900’s are exactly the same as they are now; the military is just the strong arm of corporations and nothing more. Also an interesting read if you’re into that topic. Smedley Butler, the most decorated solider in US history at the time of his death, was a whistleblower as well and foiled a government conspiracy known as “The Business Plot.” in his life. Fascinating stuff. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I will read that summary, thanks HiFlyer! It’s people like you guys that make me think there’s still hope. 🙂 

If you get a Sunday paper, and if it has comics, and if it carries the comic strip “Pearls Before Swine,” be sure to take a look at that this morning. Or you may be able to see it here:

http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine

GaryK

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Sessh

HiFlyer wrote:

@gkarasik #117036 “Just ordered it from Amazon…” Save your money, here’s a summary. http://wikisum.com/w/Olson:_The_logic_of_collective_action

Thanks! I got your note at the same time I got the Amazon delivery notice. It will help to read the summary before I read the book. These social-science monographs can be tedious.

GaryK

fp wrote:

Well, with about as much effect as fighting MS telemetry 🙂

Can’t argue that point.

GaryK

fp wrote:

If you really want to understand the inherent difficulties that prevent me from being optimistic look into applications of game theory to human behavior. It has very powerful explanatory power. There are some traps, however, that must be avoided, which is not easy.

I heard too many choruses from “Man of La Mancha” when I was a child.
To paraphrase me: There is no glory in doing nothing. There is glory in trying. The more pointless the goal, the more glory in the attempt.

GaryK