[Tex265]

@WCHS Thank you very much for your link.  This explains why we do need to Enable and make the described setting in both GP “Select when Preview Builds and Feature Update are received” as well as GP “Select the target Feature Update version”.

And that is ,when used together, they prevent “Preview” Cumulative Updates and “Preview” .NET Updates from being displayed in the Windows Update GUI.

And though MS says the GP setting “Select when Preview Builds and Feature Update are received” is ignored when also using the GP setting “Select the target Feature Update version” to set the TRV, that is not completely true as some component of that setting is still being used to keep Preview updates from being displayed in the Windows Update GUI.

This is not documented in any published information I could find regarding the usage of those setting as they read to be targeted at controlling Feature Update deferrals not Preview Updates.

Suggest AKB 2000016 be amended to clarify that you do need to use (Enable) both GP settings if you want to prevent Preview Updates from being displayed in Windows Update GUI.

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[Tex265]

CraigS26 wrote:

Feature Deferral is “1” strictly per PKC’s prior post to block Preview CU’s

Could you (or anyone) please provide the specific posting # reference to that prior PKC post for context reading purposes?  Rather strange that a GP setting targeted at “Feature update deferral” would also block “Preview CU’s”.  I can find no mention or reference to that side benefit in any of that setting’s instructions or AKB2000016, but then this is Microsoft.

If true, then there would be benefit to Enabling this setting assuming that this entire GP setting is actually not ignored (as MS says it is) when the TRV setting is Enabled.  However, I can find no documentation to an exception such as this either.

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[Tex265]

PKCano wrote:

If you use TRV to control Feature upgrades, using deferral = 0 or 1, as suggested, is NOT using deferral as a means of controlling Feature Upgrades (because it will be ignored), so you are NOT USING BOTH. But if you look at the settings for Feature deferral (see the second screenshot in #2275043), you may find other things involved and setting it to 0 or 1 just might be advantageous.

PK, thanks and I am not trying to be difficult just questioning if what is being instructed over and over is needed. Practically the result is Windows is not functionally using both settings, but technically both are activated for no stated purpose.

You are saying don’t use both GP settings. MS is saying if you use the TVR setting,  the “Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received” setting is ignored.

The second screen shot shows the “Select when Preview Builds and Feature Update are received” setting with Semi-Annual Channel selected which equates to activating the Feature Updates control for which we are told to enter 0 or 1 for the days deferred.

So technically, we have activated both the TRV setting AND the Feature Update deferral setting. In reality the Feature Update deferral setting will be ignored once the system recognizes that the TRV setting is Enabled and takes priority. Therefore after suggesting its best practive that we use the TRV setting why are we even being told to Enable the other  setting that in the end is ignored? Why not just leave it Not Configured?

“Select when Preview Builds and Feature Update are received” setting can be used for other items, but we are not being advised/shown to utilize/activate those other options, just the Feature Update deferral.

Is there something else not mentioned that enabling the Feature Update setting is doing?

 

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Microfix wrote:

You should only use TargetReleaseVersion or Feature Deferrals, but not both! Create an image backup first. recheck your settings in GP. FU Deferral 0 or 1 + TargetReleaseVersion = 2004

This is really confusing, pls elaborate as we are also discussing over at AKB2000016:

Using Group Policy settings – first you say to not use both TRV and Feature [Update] Deferrals. Then you show to set FU [Feature Update] Deferral [to] 0 or 1 AND TRV to 2004.   Thus setting both.

Pls clarify as this is coming up over and over in various postings as we approach the switch to 2004. Some responses say choose only 1, others continue to say what you said above.  Which is it?

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[Tex265]

All I would like to know is whether or not we are supposed to use both setting at the same time.

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[Tex265]

Per AKB and #2286499

**NOTE: When delaying version updates, you should choose either Feature Deferrals OR TargetReleaseVersion settings. You should not use both. If you use TargetReleaseVersion, set deferrals to 0 0r 1, as they are going to be ignored anyway.

This wording is confusing.

“you should choose either …. OR”  “You should not use both”  [BUT] “If you use TargetReleaseVersion [setting] set deferrals to 0 or 1….” [in  Feature Deferrals even though I told you not to use both]   What?

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[Tex265]

Tex265 wrote:

But I could figure out why or what to do with it.

Should read “But I could not figure out why or what to do with it.”

It appears in the Section 5, Method 2 narrative (second paragraph).

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[Tex265]

Can you point me to where you obtained that info as PK only addresses using the setting by selecting Semi Annual Channel and that controls Feature Update days deferral.

The settings box says: “Enable this policy to specify the level of Preview Build or Feature Updates to receive, and when.”

That seems to be either or?

PK makes this statement in the AKB

“Group Policy settings under Windows Update for Business.
I do not configure to receive C-week, D-week, and E-week (or any “Previews”) released other than the Security Updates released on Patch Tuesday (=B-week = second Tuesday).
Care must also be taken here. “Preview Builds” refer to Insider Releases which are also not configured.”

But I could figure out why or what to do with it.

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[Tex265]

If I am reading Section 5. Method 2 with corresponding screen shots correctly, after all the directions and commentary, it appears we need to Enable and set only one (1) item under GP Windows Update > Windows Update for Business.  And that is “Select the target Feature Update version”.

“Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received”  is to utilize Feature Update deferral days and this should not be set when utilizing Target Release Version setting. Or Enabled with deferral days set to 1 or 0. But then advised it will be ignored anyway so why not just leave as Not Configured.

“Select when Quality Updates are received”  should be set to 0 days or left Not Configured.

There is no commentary provided to do anything with the remaining two (2) settings:

“Disable safeguards for Feature Updates”  Default =Not Configured

“Manage preview builds”  Default = Not Configured

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[Tex265]

So if we set the targeted release entry within Group Policy to 2004, to what days delay number  do we set the Feature Update in the Windows Update GUI Advanced options entry to? (mine currently 365 days).

Pls discuss any other changes/settings we need to be aware of with 1909 to 2004.

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[Tex265]

Stay tuned for replies to my question:

Tex265 wrote:

In addition to the above, could someone (PKCano and members) advise those of us on 1909 what the Feature Update Deferral days number would be to put in Windows Updater Advanced options setting to trigger download of version 2004.

I am certain that by playing with the Feature Update deferral days entry in the 1909 Windows Update GUI that we can get versions 2004 or 20H2 (depending on the number of days entered) to be offered via the Updater.

 

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[Tex265]

Does anything else change within the Windows Updater GUI with version 2004? Maybe some screen shots?
(Sorry, missed my edit time window)

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[Tex265]

doriel wrote:

Not sure if you need to unistall first. nVidia package SHOULD install all automatically. Incluiding correct drivers.

Thanks for your replies.

So are you suggesting that I perform a Custom install with a Nvidia driver download, but without the Clean install option in the hope that it will overwrite the current driver package?

What if it fails to work properly?

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doriel wrote:

But goto webpage and download the driver, that is the correct way to do that by me

Thanks, but one last time – I have the driver from the Nvidia website that I would like; HOWEVER in order to install the Nvidia driver package, I must first Uninstall my current Nvidia driver that MS installed, BUT MS did not install the Nvidia Graphics card entry into the Control Panel Add/Remove program uninstall screen. Therefore I cannot Uninstall my current Nvidia Graphics card driver and therefore cannot install a more current Nvidia Graphics card driver. In the other forum link I originally posted, another member tried to work around this by utilizing the Nvidia Custom Install – Clean Install option with a new Nvidia driver; but ended up with both the new and the current driver installed – so not an option either.

doriel wrote:

Windows update updates just the driver, ther is no application attached like in the official package from nVidia

Are you 100% sure that only the Nvidia driver is updated? As that is what I am really after.  So will the Windows update leave my other current Nvidia items alone, such as the Nvidia Control Panel, Nvidia PhysX System, etc?

Just wondering how Windows can remove the current Graphics driver and replace it with a more current one without that Control Panel uninstall entry?

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[Tex265]

I have not downloaded or installed the Nvidia driver that Windows Updater is offering.  Roll back driver button is grayed-out.

Pls see my response to Alex this morning as to what I am asking direction on, including whether or not I should try to install that Windows Updater driver or whether there is another way for me to remove the current driver package so I can download and install a more current driver from the Nvidia site.

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