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      Just to add to the telemetry (since I started this thread) …

      I do not have any issues searching from the search box or from Explorer windows. Everything seems to be working as it should.

      My ‘issue’ was that the search box itself was being messed with actively again by MS in the background. That is disruptive and disconcerting enough. 😉 Functionally, except for the 30 secs  when the search box (again) disappeared, I have not had any issues.

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      howardagoldberg
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      Yes, I was the one who originally posted about the issue about four months ago! Since that ‘outbreak,’ things have been quiet on this front – until yesterday. So, it looks like Microsoft is pushing out strange/unnecessary changes once again.

      On the one hand, this is a pretty minor issue. Except that …

      1. It has already been shown that these changes can actually break search functionality (why is local search tied to whether or not the ‘search box’ can reach the mothership?), and
      2. The text in the search box is, again, not really at issue. But I honestly don’t like that two nearly identical installs of Win10 have two different text strings displaying and I have no control over it. It’s like a subtle reminder that MS owns Windows, and can make changes without our knowledge or permission that impact our end-user experience.

      I’m hoping we can get some kind of explanation as to why this background meddling is warranted, and/or at least give end-users some control so there are not just random changes.

      in reply to: Patch Lady – should we be concerned about Zoom? #2213749
      howardagoldberg
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      Zoom released client version 4.6.9 early this afternoon, addressing the UNC issue.

      Also, and especially now with so many people using Zoom, I find it problematic that these issues are reported publicly (no one at fault here were everyone is just responding to the public reports – but in other media) before the vendor even has a chance to confirm and address the issue. Tech publications need to be part of the solution, not the problem.

      Ars Technica published an article at about the UNC bug at 12:40 p.m. yesterday. Zoom pushed out a patch within 24 hours. Report on the bug after adequate time has been allowed for the vendor to address it!

      Enough with the click bait that gives ‘bad actors’ a heads up. We need to be in this together :-).

      Again, this is not addressed to this forum or Susan – just a general rant because I am guessing we are going to see lots of ‘white hat hackers’ trying to make a name for themselves now, with certain websites only-too-happy to assist.

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      in reply to: Calling all Teams, Slack and Zoom gurus #2209179
      howardagoldberg
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      I worked for an organization for about 13 years, and was one of the individuals that often designed, ran and/or moderated webinars/meeting for 10-500+ individuals.

      Long story short – both platforms have strengths/weaknesses, but overall Zoom is my go to. A few reasons why:

      1 – Superior video/audio quality and stability

      2 – Recordings are saved in MP4 format (although I think WebEx can do that now also, they used to only record in a proprietary format that you could convert with their tools) in the cloud or on your local system. So, it easy to put up webinar recordings on social media, etc. Also, you can multi-cast a Zoom meeting live to Facebook and YouTube.

      3- Breakout Rooms. You can actually run full blown seminars, trainings, etc. and have small groups work together then bring everyone back. The instructors can visit each room to see what’s going on (equivalent to walking around a physical room). Each breakout room can also record their session.

      4 – Support. Overall, Zoom support staff are far more responsive and easy to get to.

      5 – Neat Tricks. Buy a $15 green screen, put it behind you, and you can have any background you want. Messy office? No problem, put up a skyline. Want to have the background be your org logo? No problem. Want to do the weather? You get the idea!

      6 – Multipurpose. You wouldn’t have a one-on-one ‘Skype’ type call using WebEx, it’s overkill. But the Zoom client for iOS,  Android, Windows, Mac works equally well as a Skype replacement (upgrade!) as it does for joining team meetings or massive webinar presentations. It’s versatile and scaleable.

      I have transitioned into another position over the past year, and have not run so many webinars, so it’s possible WebEx continues to play catch-up to Zoom … but Zoom is just a more pleasant platform to run a meeting from or be a participant on.

      My two cents!

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      howardagoldberg
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      Here is all I know … I applied the March 1 update manually (check for updates, I know I know – I am a gluten) on Monday morning. No issues at all until this morning. Launched Word. Closed Word. Launched Outlook – stuck on loading profile.

      Found the KB article. Killed Word in task manager (it was still running, although should not have been). Outlook opened.

      Interestingly, my profile pic was not displaying immediately in my installed apps – just the generic ‘head.’ If I clicked on ‘manage account,’ Chrome would open, I would log in, my profile pic would appear.

      I then determined that as long as my profile pic did NOT resolve, no issue. If I managed to get the profile pic to display by logging into my account via browser (or sometimes it would appear after 5-10 minutes), that’s when the above issue manifested! Very weird.

      At any rate, about an hour ago, I toggled back on the settings  that the KB article suggested to toggle off … and now the profile pic displays immediately without my having to be creative … and no issues loading Outlook (or other apps closing completely).

      Something def at MS’s end – and another example of how even local apps can  get boinked if MS does something at their end. End of the world? No. Disconcerting? Most certainly.

      Just an addendum: Do I really care if my profile pic doesn’t display because the connection to the mothership is wonky for a bit? No,  of course not.

      Do I care if that connection to the mothership prevents locally installed apps from shutting down or not being able to launch Outlook – which I live in – without breaking into cold sweats and/or doing digital acrobatics? Yeah, I really do. That’s unacceptable.

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      howardagoldberg
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      I am not 100% certain yet, but it seems that MS resolved the issue. I flipped the ‘show pictures’ toggle back on, closed Outlook … opened/closed Word … started Outlook without issue. No updates came down that were visible to the user, and the Office version number is the same. Hmmmm …

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      howardagoldberg
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      Quick addendum … If you go to File > Account after making the changes described on the article (although the first box for me is checked, but grayed out, so I could only uncheck the second box), apps seem to fully close.

      But if you click on your name at the top of the app to access your account, the issue returns.

      So, this really seems to be another MS server side issue impacting locally installed apps.

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      in reply to: Is Microsoft messing with your Win10 Search box? #2169368
      howardagoldberg
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      I know that there are bigger MS bugs to quash – updates killing/hiding profiles, bootkits, and more – but … just FYI:

      I was away for most of this week. This morning, I boot up my system where the search box text has been changed to “Start a Web Search.”

      When first reaching the desktop (thankfully, despite being foolish and installing all the recent patches – I did reach the desktop to the correct profile), the search text still read ‘Start a Web Search.’

      Then LITERALLY, before my eyes … the texted changed to the default “Type here to search.”

      More interesting, on this system, the search build was still at 2020.02.14 …. (my other computer was already up to 2020.02.20 …)

      About fifteen minutes later, the search build on the machine in question also was boosted to 2020.02.20 … but the text changed before the build was updated – or at least before the ‘about’ info was updated! So, it appears that the search box text may not be directly related to search box build, and can somehow be changed through another process?

      It’s been quite a month MS patching wise …

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      howardagoldberg
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      Looking at my 1903 Pro production machine, I don’t have that Fun Facts slider under Settings > Personalization > Background. Wonder why?

      So … is it possible this is newer setting that came with the’1909′ features that got turned on? Or, like the search bar … gets added later? I went directly from Win 7 > Win 10 1909 (launched the installation from Win7, but choose to wipe out everything to get a clean(ish) install).

      I am torn between feeling like I should have checked more closely and that I was being a bit too cocky, and the feeling that I did check this before (I am pretty meticulous about this types of things!) and something changed on me. After the search box debacle, I don’t know if  I’m being paranoid or not. But, I don’t feel completely unjustified feeling at least a tiny bit paranoid.

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      howardagoldberg
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      Oops! I have some egg on my face.

      The ‘fun facts’ was toggled on. The thing is, I am pretty certain I toggled it off when set this up after upgrading this system from Win7 about 5 weeks ago.

      I will let you know if I still see the ‘ad,’ now that it’s toggled off.

      Still … I remember this being one of the first things I did after the upgrade (I actually have this system next to my native W10 system, and went through everything to mirror the settings).

      Is it possible MS turned it on? I don’t really want to go there, as perhaps I missed this when setting up the system. I just can’t believe I *didn’t* turn it off.

      Lesson learned though, I will double-check before posting.

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      in reply to: Win10 Search is working again #2137470
      howardagoldberg
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      So, I turned off the ‘Cloud Content’ options and yes, I am no longer ‘logged in’ (at least as far as one can see), and the awards points icon is gone also.

      But guess what … the search box still has the text “Start a web search.” So, here one thing has nothing to do with the other. And web search is still very much a part of the search box. Not surprising, just a FYI.

      Turning off ‘cloud search’ only turns off searching your MS account connected cloud email (if you do email via a browser, I assume), docs (One Drive?), etc. The default for this should be off, and at some point during the search box debacle, I suspect it was ‘turned on’ for us as a courtesy (of course you want this!) … unless I just never noticed this before, which would be a bit unlike me 😉.

      But turning off ‘Cloud Content’ options doesn’t let us know what telemetry MS is gathering from our local searches. Hopefully, none … but, after all this, I am suspicious …

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      in reply to: Win10 Search is working again #2137422
      howardagoldberg
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      “You’ve redacted “Connected accounts” in your screenshot with a black box overlay.”

      Of course I have. Why does it matter what email address is connected to my MS account(s) and why would I share it publicly?

      in reply to: Win10 Search is working again #2137421
      howardagoldberg
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      Thank you. That’s certainly good to know.

      However – none of this was there for me prior to all these search box updates, and these were all turned on without any user interaction on my part.

      It also does not explain why my two MS accounts were being logged into or how Windows decided which account to use at a particular time.

      Also, also … those points are only for cloud searches, as far as I can tell, since in my experimenting, local searches do not bump up the count. While some people may want this or not mind it, this is only about MS trying to get people to use Bing vs. another engine through social engineering. For something as basic as search in the OS, I honestly find that hugely problematic *since* there was no documentation this ‘feature’ was being turned on/delivered.

      If there had been some type of pop-up along the lines of … “we’ve updated your search box, now you can earn rewards by turning on cloud search, etc.” … that would have framed all of this differently.

      It’s the fact that there is no disclosure at all, or an obvious way to turn this off from the search box (I’m pretty tech savvy, but would not have imagined that’s how to turn the rewards off), that is concerning.

      And the question remains, even if I turn off the ‘cloud search,’ is MS still recording all my searches? I think that’s an entirely fair question. With Google, you are in the cloud to begin with and accept how all of that works. Local, OS based search, is an entirely different matter.

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      in reply to: Win10 Search is working again #2137366
      howardagoldberg
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      I want to bump up attention to another issue with the ‘new’ Windows search box, that – the more I think about – is really bothering me:

      What is with this ‘Microsoft Rewards Balance’ gameification of search, that is connected to a Microsoft Account?

      Win10-Search-02092020

      First, I log on to Window using a local admin account. There are two Microsoft accounts saved in the Credential Manager on my system: one is associated with the account used for my Office 365 subscription, the other is a Hotmail/MSN email address that I setup in Outlook.

      Given that:

      1) Why is search logged into any of my accounts? This connection to the mothership was made without any actions on my part, and more concerning, I do not see anyway to ‘sign off’ of search or switch accounts if I so choose. In fact, until I set one of my stored MS accounts to ‘do not automatically log me into MS apps’ in Settings > Accounts, the account logged into search would seem to just flip back and forth between the two accounts without reason, or any action on my part.

      2) Microsoft Rewards Balance: What is this? I did not sign up for Microsoft Rewards, and certainly do not want my searching to be gameified. Both of my Win10 systems are logged into the same MS account in search. On one system, the awards balance is ’15,’ as shown here, on the other system, the balance is ‘0.’ So, in addition to signing me in to search and starting up an awards account, it is not clear if the rewards balance is a ‘local’ count or just another part of the new search that MS has not fully baked.

      Of course, now that I am signed into search – with no way to sign out – does this mean that every search I do in the search box is being sent to MS? Even local search?

      Oh, and after several days of not seeing a new build – upon booting up this morning, it looks like MS pushed out a new search build on a Saturday: 2020.02.08.6238399.

      And also, with this new build, on one of my systems, the text in the search box is still ‘Start a web search.’

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      in reply to: Win10 Search is working again #2135458
      howardagoldberg
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      I’m back to working as well … looks like 2020.02.04.6238073 may be the magic build? … if it was a build update that fixed the issue.  I have no idea what build I was on when the blackout hit.

      Still showing ‘Start a web search’ in the box

      I too am still showing ‘Start a web search’ on one of my systems.

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