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  • Patch Lady – making sure you control your Microsoft account

    Posted on May 27th, 2020 at 11:34 Susan Bradley Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    So I was helping a co-worker the other day with his home PC.  It prompted him to set up Windows Hello.  Well we didn’t want to set up Windows hello.  Turns out that was triggered by a pending reboot but in the process of turning off windows hello we realized that his Microsoft account at some point in time has been hacked.  We went to reset the password for his old Microsoft account that was still on the box (he logs in with a local account not Microsoft) and was told that we’d need to get a security code from a secondary email account that …. uh… it’s not ours.

    I cannot stress enough these days that should you use an email address for a log in to anything these days that you ensure you turn on two factor authentication.

    I’m now having to wait 24 hours to try again to recover access to this Microsoft account.  Wish me luck.

  • Looks like installing a clean Win10 version 1903 Home forces you to use a Microsoft Account

    Posted on October 1st, 2019 at 16:29 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    For many years, I’ve recommended that users set up a new Windows 10 machine with a Local account — one that isn’t a Microsoft account, and doesn’t phone home to Ma Microsoft every time you log on. (Microsoft now calls it an “offline account.”) I’ve included the detailed step-by-step method, which varies a bit by version, in all of my Windows All-In-One For Dummies books.

    Now it appears as if installing a clean copy of Win10 version 1903 — yes, the one that’s been out for five or six months — makes you jump through a bizarre hoop in order to set up the computer with a Local account.

    I’ve been expecting some shenanigans with Win10 version 1909. Martin Brinkmann posted a report yesterday that he’s still seeing an option to use an Offline account to set up the machines:

    We installed Home and Pro editions of Windows 10 version 1909 multiple times and the offline account option was presented to us each time. It is quite possible that Microsoft is A-B testing the chance or that the change affects only some regions and not others.

    But I’ve also seen many reports that folks clean installing 1909 didn’t have that option — when you set up a new machine with 1909, you have to use a Microsoft account. I figured I’d wait until I have the final, shipping, bits before kicking the tires and raising the roof.

    Now comes word from Chris Hoffman at How-To Geek that the setup routine forces you to use a Microsoft account on version 1903. It’s astounding how much power Microsoft has over privacy-busting “features,” even on versions of Win10 that have been out for a while.

    If you get stuck with installing a clean copy of 1903 or 1909, unplug your machine from the internet during the installation. The exact steps from that point vary a bit, depending on version, but Chris and Martin can take you through the details.

    Justin Pot at How-To Geek calls this kind of flim-flammery a “dark pattern” — a way that companies trick you into doing what they want, in this case to snoop. Er, harvest your telemetry.

  • This month’s Windows 8.1 patch apparently disables Microsoft Account login

    Posted on September 25th, 2017 at 08:01 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    There are lots of hints around the web that this month’s KB 4038792, the 2017-09 Monthly Rollup for Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2, is leaving Win 8.1 customers unable to log in to their machines by using a Microsoft Account.

    If you haven’t already set up a Local Account, that’s a yuge problem.

    Microsoft’s known about the problem for almost two weeks. Initial posts blamed the Surface RT and original Surface Pro, but it looks to me like it’s a larger problem – one with automatic update, on Windows 8.1 itself.

    Computerworld Woody on Windows.

    Note: Günter Born came to largely the same conclusion this morning… as did Martin Brinkmann on ghacks.net.

    I think it’s great that Microsoft’s making a grand display today of quantum computing (and making a very tidy sum in the process). But what about the folks who are still running Windows 8.1 – who were actively discouraged from using Local Accounts back in the early days?

  • Microsoft Accounts are having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

    Posted on March 7th, 2017 at 07:54 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    I’m seeing reports all over Twitter that Microsoft Accounts aren’t working right. Logging in to your MS Account online, via Outlook, Xbox, OneDrive, Skype – all appear to be broken.

    In my case, I have an old @hotmail.com account that opens in Win10 Mail. At one point I was getting repeated “ding!” toaster notifications that “Your Hotmail account settings are out of date.” Clicked on the toaster notification, went through the steps to enter my PIN. Got an Error 0x800704cf.

    Tried logging in using my password. Looked like that worked, but shortly afterward I started getting the toaster notifications again.

    At this moment, Win10 Mail shows a ! icon

    When I try to refresh mail, I get a yellow bar at the top of Mail that says “Your Hotmail 2 account settings are out-of-date” giving me the option to Fix account or Dismiss.

    I tried to log in to Hotmail and got this notification:

    Of course, I’ve been using that Hotmail account for a couple of decades.

    I think I need to write up how to avoid using Microsoft accounts… anybody want to add a tip or two?

    UPDATE: 30 minutes later, and I can directly log in to hotmail.com, but the verification in Win10 Mail still shows Error 0x800704cf

    UPDATE 2: Mary Jo Foley reports that she’s back in but, as of 12:00 eastern US time, “I am still hearing from some who cannot sign into Outlook.”

  • Should you use a local account or a Microsoft Account on Windows 10?

    Posted on February 20th, 2017 at 21:37 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Of course, you all know that I’ve long recommended using a local account with Windows 10. I have detailed instructions in both of my Win10 books. Using a Microsoft Account to sign in to Windows 10 gives Microsoft (yet another) way to collect information about you – and it doesn’t buy you much.

    Earlier this morning, Paul Thurrott posted an interesting, detailed list of what using a Microsoft Account will get you. Bottom line: Not much.

    I will continue to forego using a Microsoft account to sign-in to Windows 10. I just don’t see the advantage.

    Here, here.

  • Win10 Pro vs a Microsoft account

    Posted on November 11th, 2016 at 14:42 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Interesting question from DD:

    Several weeks ago, I started experiencing a cascade of several different BSOD errors. I was never able to determine the root cause(s) so I restored C:\ from a backup image. (All my data is on a D: partition). After that, I updated to Windows 10 pro 1607. Now I have messages popping up that nag me to fix a problem with my Microsoft account. However, I set up Windows 10 with a User account. AFAIK, the only things Windows needs a Microsoft account for is the Windows Store and Cortana; and I haven’t needed either one. The only MS thing I have linked to my old Hotmail address is my xbox.
     
    Is there a compelling reason to do this?

    If I do, will it change how I log into this machine?

    If I don’t, is there a way to disable these messages?
     
    Thanks!

  • Is a Microsoft account necessary to lock in a Windows 10 digital license?

    Posted on July 26th, 2016 at 14:06 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Good question from PKC (similar to one I recently answered in the InfoWorld comments):

    Your article in Infoworld mentions tying the upgrade Win7 or 8.1 to Win10 with a Microsoft ID. Suppose someone did the upgrade using a LOCAL ID and doesn’t want any association with a Microsoft anything. Technically, the upgraded PC is forever eligible for Win10 (for the supported life of the device – whatever that means). How does THAT work? Does NOT associating the upgrade with a Microsoft ID negate the eligibility?

    In fact, you don’t need to use a Microsoft Account at all. It’s just additional insurance. It’s easy to do in the process of upgrading, so I recommend that folks take the extra minute or two to get it going.

    In most cases, the digital license transfers across to the Win10 installation on the machine BUT… I’ve seen a number of cases where the license doesn’t transfer, particularly on a clean install of Win10. In those cases, the MS Account should work to associate the license with the machine.

    It’s much easier to attach the license to an MS Account in advance, before you need it, rather than wishing you’d done it when it was easy.