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  • Are Win10 version 1909 users being pushed onto version 2004?

    Posted on June 3rd, 2020 at 14:05 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Günter Born just published an article Windows 10 Version 2004: Forced upgrade without user consent

    I’ve seen reports (some noted in Born’s article) where people claim to be upgraded to version 2004 without clicking “Download and install” — which is supposed to be the ultimate gatekeeper. I talk about it in this Computerworld article.

    Color me skeptical. But I’m certainly open to being convinced that Microsoft is jumping the gun on the version 2004 rollout.

    Microsoft has a lot riding on this 2004 upgrade — and circumventing its own “Download and install” block doesn’t make sense. That said, you never know what glitches may be in store.

    Have you seen anything?

    Thx, @EP

  • Windows 10 2004 has left the barn

    Posted on June 1st, 2020 at 01:05 Tracey Capen Comment on the AskWoody Lounge


    By Susan Bradley

    Microsoft’s latest “feature” update is being offered up. Here’s my immediate recommendation: Don’t install it!

    No newly released version of Windows has ever been problem-free, and Win10 2004 (aka May release) is no exception. For example, there are already reports of driver issues. As always, we need to give Microsoft time to iron out the wrinkles.

    Read the full story in AskWoody Plus Newsletter 17.21.0 (2020-06-01).

  • Open questions about the Win10 version 2004 upgrade

    Posted on May 31st, 2020 at 07:35 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Susan has spotted the new Feature Update notification at the bottom of the Windows Update pane on her main machine:

    I still haven’t seen it on any of my machines.

    Can anyone tell me, definitively, which combination of circumstances lead to the appearance of that notice? Looks like having Feature Update deferrals set to non-zero may be part of the equation, but I don’t see the whole picture yet.

    What concerns me the most are the very infrequent mentions of 2004 being installed without a click on the “Download and install” link.

    I’m willing to bet that the people who get upgraded to version 2004 somehow, accidentally perhaps, clicked on that link.

    Do you have any observations to the contrary?

    Of course, I DON’T recommend that you install 2004. Let’s see what the pioneers discover….

  • Patch Lady – I’m not worthy for 2004

    Posted on May 29th, 2020 at 23:02 Susan Bradley Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Lenovo ThinkPad laptop.  Thought I’d check to see if 2004 is being offered up.   I’m not worthy.


  • Win10 version 2004 is here but… surprise!

    Posted on May 27th, 2020 at 13:49 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Win10 version 2004 has been officially released.

    Microsoft’s been testing it since December. We’ve been getting official notices about 2004’s status for months. The last official notice, on May 12, didn’t list any known bugs. Today’s notice, though, comes packed with all sorts of known, officially acknowledged, problems:

    • Difficulty connecting to more than one Bluetooth device
      Windows 10 devices with certain Realtek drivers might be unable to connect to more than one Bluetooth device.
    • Errors or issues during or after updating devices with Conexant ISST audio drivers
      Devices with affected Conexant ISST audio drivers might receive an error or have issues with Windows 10, version 2004.
    • Errors or issues during or after updating devices with certain Conexant audio drivers
      Devices with affected Conexant or Synaptics audio drivers might receive a stop error with a blue screen.
    • Issues using ImeMode property to control IME mode for individual text entry fields
      Some IMEs for certain langauges might have issues using the ImeMode property with certain apps.
    • Variable refresh rate not working as expected on devices with Intel iGPU
      Enabling VRR on affected devices will not enable the VRR for most games, especially games using Direct X 9.
    • Stop error when plugging or unplugging a Thunderbolt dock
      Devices using Thunderbolt docks may receive a stop error when plugging in or unplugging the dock
    • Errors or unexpected restarts for some devices using Always On, Always Connected
      Devices with more than one Always On, Always Connected capable network adapter might have issues.
    • No mouse input with apps and games using GameInput Redistributable
      Affected apps and games using both GameInput Redistributable and Windows 10, version 2004 might lose mouse input.
    • Issues updating or starting up devices when aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys is present
      Devices with apps or drivers using certain versions of aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys might have issues updating or starting
    • Issue with older drivers for Nvidia display adapters (GPU)
      You might have issues if you are using an Nvidia display adapter (GPU) and drivers with a version below 358.00.

    The announcement also says:

    Windows 10, version 2004 is available for users with devices running Windows 10, versions 1903 and 1909 who manually seek to “Check for updates” via Windows Update.

    The wording of that is a bit strange… but it looks like this version works like the last two versions: If you go into Windows Update in Win10 1903 or 1909, click Check for Updates, and Microsoft determines that your machine is ready for 2004, you get the notification that the 2004 update it available. I think. (My production machines aren’t showing anything at this point.)

    You have to click on Download and install before it’s installed on your machine. That’s what I published in Computerworld earlier this week: How to block the Windows 10 May 2020 update, version 2004, from installing. It’s also what Microsoft promises in its just-published guide How to get the Windows 10 May 2020 Update.

    As best I can tell, clicking on Check for Updates in Win10 1903 or 1909 does NOT immediately upgrade you to 2004.

    What are you seeing?

  • Patch Lady – here comes 2004

    Posted on May 27th, 2020 at 12:41 Susan Bradley Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    It’s official 2004 is out.  I’m hearing that the media creation tool doesn’t quite work yet.  Again, I always see this as a sign I should have moved to the one right before this, not that I should jump on this release — especially for production machines.

    Holler if you see issues in your testing.

  • How to avoid installing the upgrade to Win10 version 2004

    Posted on May 25th, 2020 at 10:51 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    It took Microsoft more than four years to give us the tools to fend off unwanted upgrades. But we have them now, and they’re working. Just curtail your clicking finger and you can stay on Win10 version 1903 or 1909 for many more months.

    For those of you chomping at the bit to install Win10 version 2004 (due out this week) — I have to ask. Why?

    I understand the allure of a bright and shiny new version of the old cash cow. But Win10 version 2004 seems to be completely bereft of compelling new features. Is it worth intentionally putting yourself in the second wave of beta testers, when the benefits are so minuscule?

    Full details in Computerworld Woody on Windows.

  • Party like it’s 2004 – just don’t install it

    Posted on May 14th, 2020 at 08:24 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Credit: Clinton Steeds, via Wikimedia

    I’m seeing reports all over about problems with Win10 version 2004, the new version due out two weeks from today.

    Yes, Microsoft insists on calling it “twenty-oh-four” as in the fourth month of 2020, nevermind that it’ll be released in the fifth or sixth month of 2020. At least it’s better than calling it 2003, especially for those of you who remember Windows 2003.

    I’ve been begging Microsoft to hold off releasing 2004 until the world of Windows is in a more stable condition, but I guess the logic just escapes the folks who want to get Windows completely replaced.

    Win10 version 2004 is available to everybody in the Windows Insider (beta testing) program, in the Slow and Release Preview rings. (The Fast ring is out there somewhere that doesn’t seem to have any correlation with this dimension.) Microsoft recently posted the installable ISO files for 2004 on the MS Developer Network, so if you pay for a subscription, you can get it there, too.

    Of course, I recommend that you not install it, and wait for the cannon fodder to report in. Of course, I have it installed on a test machine — my old PCs don’t die, they just get recycled as beta beds.

    Right now, my general impression of verison 2004 is MEH. Comparing 1903/1909 — which are virtually identical — with 2004, I don’t see one thing that’s better about 2004. And, yes, I’ve read all the reviews – and written a few short ones myself. (Note: Preston Gralla has an extensive overview in Computerworld: Windows 10 May 2020 Update delivers little tweaks that add up to… well, not a lot.)

    At any rate, as we get closer to release, I’ll have full, detailed instructions on avoiding the upgrade. (Looks like it’ll be easy, but it’s hard to say until the bits hit the gate.)

    In the interim, I’d like to regale you with tales of woe. Mind you, these are problems that people face installing a piece of beta test software (Win10 version 2004 is still in beta, no matter how you slice it) in real world PCs.

    First up: A post here on AskWoody from @WSAndylam, who says (I’ve edited slightly):

    Since installing latest Windows version 2004 upgrade, I had to remove 3 programs — Avast Antivirus, Avast Cleanup Premium and CCleaner. After installing the upgrade [not clear if he’s talking about upgrading from 1903 or 1909 to 2004, or installing the latest Cumulative Update for 2004 -WL] every time I started my PC it does a complete reset, taking as much as 10 to 12 minutes. After calling Microsoft, they told me to remove all of those 3 programs. Following this Microsoft recommendation, it now takes 15 seconds to boot Windows.

    Following up on that post, @WSMasterK9ATL  lists another set of problems including the inability to open Office 365. Rolling back to 1909 fixed the problems.

    And @EP notes that “All Avast apps are not yet tested nor confirmed to work.”

    These aren’t isolated incidents. I’ve seen folks on Twitter who know Windows well, lamenting that upgrading to 2004 knocked out their machines. I didn’t have any of those problems moving to 2004, but my test PC is pretty plain-vanilla.

    Soooo… have you seen any reports of problems with installing Win10 version 2004? I’d like to hear about them – and would be particularly interested in learning if the problematic install was a clean install or an upgrade (from 1903? 1909?), and if some specific software (antivirus?) seems to be causing the problem.

    The lines are open….