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    An update on our Unified Update Platform (UUP)
    https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/03/02/an-update-on-our-unified-update-platform-uup/

    MARCH 2, 2017 1:45 PM

    By Bill Karagounis / Director of Program Management, Windows Insider Program & OS Fundamentals

    Back in November, we announced the next generation of our delivery technologies called the Unified Update Platform (UUP). Windows Insiders are the first to experience UUP with Insider Preview builds. We began releasing new Insider Preview builds using UUP to Mobile devices first starting with Build 14959 in November. Then we began releasing new Insider Preview builds to PCs using UUP starting with Build 14986 in early December. I wanted to give a small update on where we are today with UUP.

    As a recap, one of the biggest benefits UUP brings to our customers is a reduction in download size of build updates on PCs. We’ve converged technologies in our build and publishing systems to enable differential downloads for both PC and Mobile.

     

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    CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
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    2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

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    • #98398

      This is why WU has been on stand-by for a while.

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    • #98678

      I am wondering which will become common practice for upgrading Windows 10, UUP or Canonical.
      Many people these days have unlimited quota for internet data and high speed at the same time, so 3.5 GB full download does not appear to be significantly large if 1GB UUP is acceptable. It is significant for Microsoft Update servers load and traffic though, when numbers are multiplied with the number of downloads.
      At the same time, many users will try to get the full ISO which is another form of Canonical package for additional safety and peace of mind.
      When I perform iPad and iPhone major version upgrades, eg. 9 to 10, I use the full package via iTunes to avoid issues experienced occasionally in the past by other users. I have recently become somewhat lazier and have done minor updates via Wi-fi using the delta method, although I am somehow reluctant to do so, because a failure would mean a full reset of the device and I am not particularly good with the habit of having current backups.
      Apple is known to be more reliable with their updates and if something goes wrong, their response time for remediation is few minutes, at most few hours. This is not matched by Microsoft and any other company.
      What do other readers here think about their expected upgrade method for the future?
      My advice, until there will be further clarification, is to perform the upgrade only by using the ISO if available at all.

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      • #98680

        As I understand it UUP was brought about by loud voices in the mobile crowd and some very low bandwidth PC users. If one does not use a the Registry adjustments, I do not know of away to turn off UUP at this time. One needs to be careful to run Registry Scanner and check the UUP setting before one pushes Update Button in the WU GUI. I have not had it change between Upgrades yet, up they are reset during the upgrade. It is like that part of the Registry is completely rewritten unlike other parts.

        So far that is as much as I have figured out and Yes I want my Full ISO, as you pointed out.

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
        More perishable

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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        • #98686

          As I see it now, UUP is only an evolution of the Express packages, targeted specifically to Windows 10 Upgrades, while the Express packages still apply to regular updates, including CUs.
          In such a case, the ways to avoid using UUP are to use the ISO, to download the KB containing the upgrade package and do manual installation (if this method is available) or to use WSUS without the option to download Express packages, but full packages. WSUS may even receive the UUP option if this will be made separate from the Express method.
          It is still early and as we know, end-users are likely to be used by Microsoft for their new technologies as beta testers.
          So the generic advice is to put the upgrade to Creators Edition on hold and in particular the UUP install type for as long as possible until we get more real-life information.

          • #98695

            Quite frankly CH 100, on your last point, if the end user/managed/domain controlled PC is used in Production, that is the only way. If one is doing Production testing one might be able to back off on that some in the Interest of testing but carefully. etc etc right up to Beta testing, you know the drill…. 🙂

            Now you mentioned CU’s, as I understand it, they are already running as Delta’s now. As I understand what I have read, MS is very close to bring that to WSUS as well as DO.It is my impression SCCM is going to be further behind the curve on that but how long, I am not sure. Of course UUP for the Upgrades would logically be next.

            Now if one would want to build there own ISO by capturing the coveted ESD, can one do that through WSUS or SCCM?
            If you can’t do that now, do you think that, that might be built in in the future?
            Or will one need to have a separate Workstation controlled and managed like I do just for an organization to capture the coveted ESD and then convert it in there own way?
            Or is that all a mute point with the changing landscape? Right now I believe everyone is waiting for at least the official CB ISO release and then the CBB official ISO depending on what they are doing, needing and wanting. Will that or does that need to change?

            Have you heard rumbling of changes to, phasing out of, current MS Patch Management systems/services in Lew of perhaps, something Azure? After all they have started rumbling about AD going to Azure. I sure hope something comes up Hybrid here as well???

            As you can see CH 100, like you, I have more questions than answers. 😆

            I believe I can say one thing, MS is hoping the landscape is changing much more dramatically than you and I are ready for or want it to, BUT can they convince Corporations Executes of their way????

            As it is said,

            it is the best of times, it is the worst of times….

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            1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

            SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

            CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
            Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
            More perishable

            2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

            1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
            1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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            • #98714

              Now if one would want to build there own ISO by capturing the coveted ESD, can one do that through WSUS or SCCM?
              If you can’t do that now, do you think that, that might be built in in the future?

              WSUS and SCCM do not have the capability to convert ESD to ISO and this is not their purpose.
              The conversion is an unsupported hack done by enthusiasts on the Internet, using Microsoft published tools.
              Enterprises have access to published ISOs without a need to hack Windows Update packages but with bit of research effort, the ISOs can be obtained on the Internet, but this again is not supported and it is the user who takes the risk and need to check published SHA checksums and also trust them, see how it goes. Without having comprehensive knowledge about Microsoft licensing, I believe that the use of the ISO obtained in such a way is not in breach of copyright, as long as the activation used is legit or the system installed from ISO is used only during the grace period for testing.

              I don’t know anything about any major change to the current patch management strategy. The AD in the Cloud is nothing special, it can be anywhere on the network. The Cloud is just part of the network accessed via a WAN link. Generally speaking, the current strategy is a distributed one, with Domain Controllers on premises and at least one Domain Controller in the Cloud. But again, there are different types of Cloud, this is not within the scope of this forum at least at the current time.

              BUT can they convince Corporations Executes of their way????

              This is easier than you would believe 🙂
              It is enough for few enterprises to adopt the new system and the rest is just chain reaction.

      • #98851

        Now if one would want to build there own ISO by capturing the coveted ESD, can one do that through WSUS or SCCM?
        If you can’t do that now, do you think that, that might be built in in the future?

        WSUS and SCCM do not have the capability to convert ESD to ISO and this is not their purpose.
        The conversion is an unsupported hack done by enthusiasts on the Internet, using Microsoft published tools.

        You took what I was saying a little to granular. I was talking about the greater process avenue between AU/WU/MU via ??? to the End Point, not the narrow specificity of the services of WSUS or SCCM in conjunction with AD. I was mostly reflecting off of what you were saying about “Express”, “Canonical” and UUP. Having said that, I am not sure what benefit there would even be, other than in a Beta Lab, for capturing the ESD, as I said lower down with my questions?

        As far as “using Microsoft published tools”, it sounds to me like more and more ‘Entities’ are taking/thinking of “alternative” approaches to avoid getting sucked to deeply into the MS well/abyss either by ‘vlas’, giving them 10 years, so they don’t have to deal with little to none of this or go somewhat down the off nominal road.

        Enterprises have access to published ISOs without a need to hack Windows Update packages but with bit of research effort, the ISOs can be obtained on the Internet, but this again is not supported and it is the user who takes the risk and need to check published SHA checksums and also trust them, see how it goes. Without having comprehensive knowledge about Microsoft licensing, I believe that the use of the ISO obtained in such a way is not in breach of copyright, as long as the activation used is legit or the system installed from ISO is used only during the grace period for testing.

        UGAAH! Even for both of my Alpha/Beta and Charlie/Delta Test partitions, searching the Internet sounds way to risky for me!!! 😥
        At least when I capture the ESD, provided there were no D/L cliches, which I will catch right away(it has happen once) and reD/L. I know where it came from, how it was Decrypted(though I do have Decrypt in my script, I prefer MS does it), and therefore the varsity of the Bits. After about 2.5 years of use, I know my script uses DISM and other W ADK components properly and I get an excellent ISO every time!

        I don’t know anything about any major change to the current patch management strategy. The AD in the Cloud is nothing special, it can be anywhere on the network. The Cloud is just part of the network accessed via a WAN link. Generally speaking, the current strategy is a distributed one, with Domain Controllers on premises and at least one Domain Controller in the Cloud. But again, there are different types of Cloud, this is not within the scope of this forum at least at the current time.

        No maybe not, but people are freaking out about it anyway. I just hope considering the latest ‘Amazon “Typo”‘ that most keep a hybrid Cloud approach in mind, but that is more expensive, potentially. As you know the ‘Cloud’ depends on how much one trusts the other ‘persons’ computer and there ability to run it professional/properly amidst their wish to cut costs too….. O.o 🙁 sort of sounds like a receipt for disaster, doesn’t it? Time will tell….

        BUT can they convince Corporations Executes of their way????

        This is easier than you would believe 🙂
        It is enough for few enterprises to adopt the new system and the rest is just chain reaction.

        Yaaaa, I know, and most Chairs/CEOs/Presidents and Treasures are not CIOs or CTOs that have extensive experience in the necessary areas. It is those chain reactions that may or may not get one, ?Every Time? 🙂

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        1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

        SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

        CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
        Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
        More perishable

        2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

        1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
        1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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