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As with summer days, June’s patching heats up

By Susan Bradley In my corner of the U.S., June is when summer really starts to sizzle. But up in the cooler northwest, it’s Microsoft that’s heating up, with sixteen security bulletins for Windows and Office — and many of the fixes are for vulnerabilities we’ve patched numerous times before.

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I have always installed every update as quickly as possible without any problems. The reason we have updates is to keep people from having viruses. Windows 10 resolves this issue by installing the updates automatically. MS found that the # 1 problem of viruses was people who did NOT install updates. Also, my recommendation is to install Windows 10 on ANY computer which can handle it. It is MUCH better than any other OS which MS has EVER put out, and will make the computer feel new again. Ditch Windows 7 ASAP!!!!

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I have always installed every update as quickly as possible without any problems. The reason we have updates is to keep people from having viruses. Windows 10 resolves this issue by installing the updates automatically. MS found that the # 1 problem of viruses was people who did NOT install updates. Also, my recommendation is to install Windows 10 on ANY computer which can handle it. It is MUCH better than any other OS which MS has EVER put out, and will make the computer feel new again. Ditch Windows 7 ASAP!!!!

Feel free to keep believing that. The rest of us will continue to run anti-virus programs for protection against viruses while taking expert advice (thanks again Susan!) on when and how to handle the monthly updates, most of which protect our computers but some of which break them while others are entirely unrelated to security issues. As for Windows 10, the description “better” is entirely subjective and it isn’t a term I’d personally use.

Apologies for not typing this in bold font but I didn’t feel that it was as important as you obviously considered your post to be ;)!

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I have always installed every update as quickly as possible without any problems.

Great for you, but not for all of us; hence the reluctance to install Windows 10 on many systems, and the Patch Watch for inspecting these updates prior to blind installation…

Windows 10 resolves this issue by installing the updates automatically.

This also installs additional hardware and software incompatibilities and vulnerabilities to many functional systems, making them completely useless. This is a major issue when the Windows 10 installation bricks a system or renders critical software as nonfunctional upon each subsequent release.

It is MUCH better than any other OS which MS has EVER put out, and will make the computer feel new again.

This is an opinion. IMHO, it is not that much better, and in many cases it is much worse. This is also an opinion, but one that can be shared by many; otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people trying to avoid it.

I’m glad it works for you, but for some it simply does not fit their needs to unnecessarily upgrade.

If one wants to reinvent the wheel, one first should ensure that it is round.

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“It’s a important patch for all versions of Windows from Vista through Windows 10.”

3161664: MS shows no update available for windows 7(?)

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I would be nice to get any on both of my Win 7 laptops 🙁

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I’m tech support for my wife’s Win 10 computer (HP Envy 750-129cb). This morning it’s display was messed up. The pixel size was correct, but it looked as if it was somehow at a lower resolution. Anyway, the HP support software indicated that a video driver (NVIDIA) needed updating, so I did that and rebooted. No change. The system came with a utility “HP My Display”. I opened that. It listed a number of presets. “Text” was selected. I clicked on it and the display problem was immediately fixed.
So – I assume that the initial problem was that a Won10 update last night broke something, which then triggered a driver update, which then had to be adjusted using the My Display utility. However, that is just based on the timing.

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I would be nice to get any on both of my Win 7 laptops

@Sudo15
So you can’t get any security updates at all? My W7 computers went from hours on end to finding the updates in 40 mins. to 1 hr.

3161664: MS shows no update available for windows 7(?)

KB3161664 showed up on every W7 computer I have. Have you tried downloading it from the MS catalog site http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/home.aspx ?

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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@Sudo15
So you can’t get any security updates at all? My W7 computers went from hours on end to finding the updates in 40 mins. to 1 hr.

KB3161664 showed up on every W7 computer I have. Have you tried downloading it from the MS catalog site http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/home.aspx ?

I’ve just opened a new thread with my problem – MGADiag

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Thanks Lunpy95. MS catalog site did have the update.

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After your MGADiag thread, did you start getting updates?

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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After your MGADiag thread, did you start getting updates?

No.

I ran the Windows Repair program from http://www.tweaking.com but the laptop just kept freezing up after the reboot to the point where it wasn’t even loading the drivers.

After booting up into Safe Mode to use the program’s registry restore, I ran the update component reset again and the irreparable error changed to 80070005.

I installed the SubinACL file and ran a couple of batch files I’d found online and the largest of the batch files produced a log where about 60% of the permission resets failed.

I activated the hidden admin account and ran the batch file again with similar results.

I’ve had this Windows Update problem even after a factory reset.

I’ve been thinking about posting my problem on the Sysnative forum to see if anyone on there can help.

I have some cmds I can run which will revert Win 7’s system files to defaults, which I presume will be pre SP1, but the last time I ran those for a try out, the laptop seemed quite sluggish.

I seem to be at a dead end with this one.

SURT won’t complete because it fails by not being able to install some files – no doubt because of the update problem and a repair install also fails because it can’t search online for installation files.

The onboard WU trouble shooter just hangs at searching for updates on the computer and the fact that wuauserv is maxing out the CPU and a memory leak doesn’t help either.

I can stop that service but that’s a Catch22 and I don’t have any hair left to pull out 🙂

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Wow, what a mess :o:. It sounds like the OS itself is screwed up somehow or if it’s an OEM ( Toshiba, HP, etc. ) possibly interference from their pre-loads. Too bad you don’t have a spare W7 disk to install and bypass any OEM bloatware.
Is it possible that your AV could be playing a part in this?
Just grasping at straws here as you are better at this than I am.

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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I do have a Win 7 SP1 universal ISO and I’ve used the Slui 3 cmd to change the laptop product key to the COA sticker key, but I’m not sure if it would activate a clean install.

That isn’t guaranteed to work either though, as I’ve factory reset this Toshiba machine with a bought Toshiba OEM Recovery Disk.

The MGADiag gives it as a genuine install and the clock is okay, so they won’t be causing the problem and I don’t think I had Norton Security installed when it first had the update problem – but I may disable it to see if it makes any difference as that had crossed my mind.

The fact that the permission reset batch file failed with so many files is a concern, that I feel I’m up against a brick wall with this.

It’s just a pity that Windows Update doesn’t work in Safe Mode with Networking – my msconfig is stripped to the bone so it won’t be any other 3rd party programs.

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Have you tried chkdsk to see if there might be a problem with the HDD? chkdsk /r or chkdsk /f

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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Have you tried chkdsk to see if there might be a problem with the HDD? chkdsk /r or chkdsk /f

Tried a few times – no problems.

I may factory reset it again next week and then see what errors the update settings etc. return and then I can run the fixes in as a vanilla mode as possible.

I created a system image after the last time I factory reset after removing the bloatware, so I don’t have to go through that again.

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Strange things going on. For a little-used Windows 7-64 ASUS Zenbook, I took the advice to install KB 3161664 first, so I downloaded the Windows 7 version from MS but when I went to install it I got a message telling me it wasn’t compatible with my computer. So I went the “Check for updates” routine. After an hour with no results I gave up on it. When I shut it down, it installed 11 updates, including KB3161664.
Now I’m preparing to do updates on another W-7, and clicked on Susan’s link for MS16-073 (KB3161664) but it links to KB3133043 instead (Security Update for NPS RADIUS Server to Address Denial of Service).

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I have also been having some problems with Windows Update on one of my machines. In this case (a Win 7 64 bit home premium system) WU goes into downloading updates, but never get beyond 0%, even after several hours. There are quite a few posts on the internet on this problem, and lots of possible solutions. I have tried restarts, switching WU off and back on again, deactivating antivirus, MS’s hotfix in kb971058 (which just went into stasis for 1 1/2 hours) without any success. I also tried unsuccessfully to install 3161664 from the MS catalog – the installer failed. The interesting thing is that another system, also on the identical OS, has not got the problem.

I have better things to do with my life than waste it trying to debug MS’s OS problems, so I have given up, for the time being at least. It does mean I can’t patch that system, however.

Just wanted folks to know there are more problems out there!

Chris
Win 10 Pro x64 Group A

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Have you tried a manual install of KB3161608 which includes KB3161647 for the Windows Update Client and then see if they download any better.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161608

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Sudo15 – not sure if you are responding to me or another poster.

I set WU to download 3161664 and went off to cut the grass. Three hours later (sic) it finished downloading and installed this one successfully. I then set it to download the rest of the updates (that Susan had given the OK to), which it did in less than 15 mins, and installed successfully.

So, it looks as if Susan’s surmise on 3161664 was correct. Let’s hope the fix is permanent.

Chris
Win 10 Pro x64 Group A

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Sudo15 – not sure if you are responding to me or another poster.

I set WU to download 3161664 and went off to cut the grass. Three hours later (sic) it finished downloading and installed this one successfully. I then set it to download the rest of the updates (that Susan had given the OK to), which it did in less than 15 mins, and installed successfully.

So, it looks as if Susan’s surmise on 3161664 was correct. Let’s hope the fix is permanent.

Yes, it was directed at you – thought that following your last post would do it without using the Quote button.

KB3161664 didn’t do it for me on one laptop and had to manually install KB3161608 before the Check for produced anything, although I’d only ran the Check for… for about 10mins, whereas after installing ‘608 they came quite quickly.

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Sudo15

Thanks. I harbour the hope that this will have solved it for me, but if it comes back I will try your solutions.

Given there are reports of this problem on the internet dating back to 2010, you would have thought Microsoft would have sorted it out by now. Heigh Ho!

Chris
Win 10 Pro x64 Group A

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It’s only been a recent thing for me with my older laptop starting to have problems with updates in April and May was even worse in getting them to present.

That resulted with the Windows Update service maxing out the CPU to the point where the machine was unusable until I stopped the service.

It knew there were updates to be had but would seem to have been baulked by its own Update Agent which would seem to have been what subsequent updates were for.

I tended to hide those updates because of the way MS were going about forcing Win 10 onto peoples machines and I treated those updates with suspicion – but even with them, Win 7 updates were certainly causing problems for quite a lot.

I suppose it’s possible that the effect was caused by another or other updates, but there’s been no comment from MS that I’ve seen posted that would confirm/deny this – MS seem to have been their usual quiet selves when they try to fix what may have been one of their screw ups – but as far back as 2010 ????

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It was an older laptop with me as well – a 5 1/2 year old Sony. Slowly got worse over the last 6 months, or thereabouts, but never got as bad as you until just now.

I found the GWX Control panel blocked most of the W10 nag problems.

As for the time of running – here is a thread on MS’s own site dating to Aug 2010. What more can I say?

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-update/windows-update-wont-download-just-stays-at-0/8e858a10-9629-4bb0-bf8f-4c27ef4e8ce5?auth=1

Chris
Win 10 Pro x64 Group A

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Chris, that old MS Answers topic isn’t nearly the same as the issue(s) commonly seen in the last ~10 months. The current crop are mostly down to the huge number of patches and versions of those patches that need to be parsed during WU, put simply, WU chokes. Similar happened during the latter stages of XP SP3 support.

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satrow – OK. Good point.

Chris

Chris
Win 10 Pro x64 Group A

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