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    Fairly new Dell Inspiron 660 desktop, running w8, installed 17th November, has stopped working.

    It starts normally, I enter the password, the little circle rotates for 20 – 30 seconds, then a permanent black screen. Ctrl/Alt/Delete opens when selected, but clicking Task Manager reverts to the black screen. The icon at bottom right shuts down as normal, and Lock has an arrow, which I think was always there, placing the cursor over the which brings a popup with Cancel. I’ve clicked that a few times, in case the PC had become locked, may have locked it myself by now.

    PROBABLE CAUSE Last night, after midnight Online Armor firewall was downloaded and installed. Shortly afterwards a warning reported something suspicious in App.data, did I want to allow or block it. I was under the impression the software was supposed to tell me what was unsafe, not vice versa, but, acting in the belief that they know more than me about computer technology, I blocked it.

    As the computer continued working for the few tasks completed before going to bed, but not now, it presumably means the object blocked is vital to start up.

    Unless somebody can think of another solution, it looks as though my rescue disk and image will be put to the test sooner than anticipated, and it will be necessary to try to remember all the data added in the last few weeks. Must remember not to install software beyond my area of competence!

    George.

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    • #1428637

      Try to boot into Safe mode: http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/

      If you can successfully boot into Safe Mode, try disabling the Online Armor firewall.

      It sounds like Online Armor might have disabled something that was essential to Windows.

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
    • #1428644

      Fairly new Dell Inspiron 660 desktop, running w8, installed 17th November, has stopped working.

      It starts normally, I enter the password, the little circle rotates for 20 – 30 seconds, then a permanent black screen. Ctrl/Alt/Delete opens when selected, but clicking Task Manager reverts to the black screen. The icon at bottom right shuts down as normal, and Lock has an arrow, which I think was always there, placing the cursor over the which brings a popup with Cancel. I’ve clicked that a few times, in case the PC had become locked, may have locked it myself by now.

      PROBABLE CAUSE Last night, after midnight Online Armor firewall was downloaded and installed. Shortly afterwards a warning reported something suspicious in App.data, did I want to allow or block it. I was under the impression the software was supposed to tell me what was unsafe, not vice versa, but, acting in the belief that they know more than me about computer technology, I blocked it.

      As the computer continued working for the few tasks completed before going to bed, but not now, it presumably means the object blocked is vital to start up.

      Unless somebody can think of another solution, it looks as though my rescue disk and image will be put to the test sooner than anticipated, and it will be necessary to try to remember all the data added in the last few weeks. Must remember not to install software beyond my area of competence!

      George.

      I would try Safe mode, but I am not sure OA starts in safe mode. I will have a look and get back to you.

      • #1431612

        I would try Safe mode, but I am not sure OA starts in safe mode. I will have a look and get back to you.

        All the better if it doesn’t. This would solve the problem immediately if a block by OA is at fault.

        -- rc primak

    • #1428655

      OA won’t load in safe mode. So I suggest that you try to boot in safe mode and then, in safe mode, uninstall Online Armor.

      If you are interested in using it, I can help you configure it so that it requests input from you as little as possible, but on same cases, you will still need to provide input. A HIPS is not meant to block just rogue programs or components – the whole idea is for you to determine what you want running or not. This does require some attention to what is asked and what you provide. On known malware, it will be clear it’s a threat, otherwise, depending on the configuration, it will also request input from you.

      This, presuming it was OA blocking this, but we will know it nonetheless, if you can uninstall it from safe mode.

      Before restoring the image, you can take a new image, so that your data is kept safe in that image and you can recover from it afterwards.

    • #1428662

      While you are in Safe Mode see if using a restore point prior to the alert will resolve and if you then get the same alert, you can then opt to Allow it.

      Rather than use OA, why not use an AV program that has its own HIPS.

      • #1428706

        There appears to be no safe mode with UEFI.

        After reading the replies I returned to the PC and tried Ctrl/Alt/Delete in order to shut down without pulling out the plug, but Ctrl/Alt/Delete no longer worked. However, after several attempts the PC did close.

        Shift+F8 brought a screen with a graph bar, then F12 for boot appeared in top corner. Deciding to stick with the bar, when completed the start screen appeared, and after entering the password, back to the black screen. On the following attempt F12 was selected, but there is no advanced option, so I selected Diagnostics.

        Not much happening at present, after a lot of activity. Of the 10 tests, only Hard Drive remains unticked. Quite a while ago a message said nothing found so far, did I wish to continue (recommended), which would take c 30 mins. In the 20 or so minutes since nothing has happened, except 94% at the bottom has moved on to 96%, and there is still an hour glass showing.

        The CPU internal thermal sensor has caught my eye, showing 43C current, 39C low and 60C high.
        60 is well outside the range of all three thermal sensors. Is it something to worry about?

        Still waiting.

      • #1428737

        Result of Diagnostic Test – no errors.

        Returning to the boot options:
        UEFI Boot > enter password > black screen

        Bios Setup > various options including advanced, but no Safe Mode

        Diagnostics > 1.5 hour test found nothing wrong

        Change Boot Mode > Legacy Boot Mode or UEFI Boot without Secure Boot. Both of these brought up a message about abandoning Secure Boot, which was sufficient to deter me from venturing further into territory I do not understand.

        My conclusion, there is no safe mode in Win8. The How to Geek article was referring to Win 8 Preview and it seems that MS decided to omit it from the final release. If this is not correct, there is something seriously wrong with my PC.

    • #1428714

      Safe mode is a Windows thing, doesn’t depend on UEFI.

      http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/

    • #1428742

      See if this one gets you into Safe Mode
      http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2809468

      HP EliteBook 8540w laptop Windows 10 Pro (x64)

    • #1428743

      George,

      You can get to the login screen, right? If so, there should be a power icon at the bottom right (it’s the rightmost icon). Press SHIFT and without releasing it, choose restart from the menu that shows up when you click the power icon. Don’t release SHIFT until the computer restarts.

      This method works with my laptop running 8.1, have just tried it.

      Some more methods are available here: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/a/open-advanced-startup-options-windows-8.htm

      • #1428889

        George,

        You can get to the login screen, right? If so, there should be a power icon at the bottom right (it’s the rightmost icon). Press SHIFT and without releasing it, choose restart from the menu that shows up when you click the power icon. Don’t release SHIFT until the computer restarts.

        This method works with my laptop running 8.1, have just tried it.

        Some more methods are available here: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/a/open-advanced-startup-options-windows-8.htm

        Holding down the shift key and then choosing restart (from the Windows 8.1 login screen), and then continuing to hold down the shift key, brings me to the screen which allows me to get to Safe Mode.

        Group "L" (Linux Mint)
        with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
        • #1428891

          Holding down the shift key and then choosing restart (from the Windows 8.1 login screen), and then continuing to hold down the shift key, brings me to the screen which allows me to get to Safe Mode.

          Yes, Jim, that’s one of the options that work for me, too.

    • #1428766

      Result of Diagnostic Test – no errors.

      Returning to the boot options:
      UEFI Boot > enter password > black screen

      Bios Setup > various options including advanced, but no Safe Mode

      Diagnostics > 1.5 hour test found nothing wrong

      Change Boot Mode > Legacy Boot Mode or UEFI Boot without Secure Boot. Both of these brought up a message about abandoning Secure Boot, which was sufficient to deter me from venturing further into territory I do not understand.

      My conclusion, there is no safe mode in Win8. The How to Geek article was referring to Win 8 Preview and it seems that MS decided to omit it from the final release. If this is not correct, there is something seriously wrong with my PC.

    • #1428767

      Rui, once again I must offer my heartfelt thanks. This, combined with Jim’s link for the follow on steps, did the trick, though not without a few frights along the way. I must bookmark both these posts, as Safe Mode from boot is well hidden in Win 8.

      After clicking the power icon whilst holding down the shift key until Windows started, I was distracted by the cat, who wanted to be fed. When I returned Dell Support had opened up, found nothing wrong and wanted to reset to the original state. I was not having that, so shut down and started again.

      This time I stayed in Windows, and it asked me to sign in. I must have entered my password at least 10 times, always being told it was incorrect. I often have to enter it a 2 or 3 times, as it is easy to forget parts of it, but not when I’m being careful. I began to think that something had changed the password – which may be the case (see below) – then I really would be up the creek. That might explain the black screen I was getting earlier when signing in.

      Amazingly, clicking the back button took me out of all this and back to the usual sign on page. I am unable to explain it, but then everything started up as usual. To avoid further complication I restored the system to the 11th December, when finally able to find it.

      Whilst searching for System Restore I noticed Atheros Smart Net had been added, and was not marked New, as customary with XP. It was one of two items detected by Emsisoft Antimalware or OA after I’d blocked something else, and I allowed them, as blocking everything is bound to lead to trouble. Clearly I chose the wrong one to block.

      • #1428774

        This time I stayed in Windows, and it asked me to sign in. I must have entered my password at least 10 times, always being told it was incorrect. I often have to enter it a 2 or 3 times, as it is easy to forget parts of it, but not when I’m being careful. I began to think that something had changed the password – which may be the case (see below) – then I really would be up the creek. That might explain the black screen I was getting earlier when signing in.

        Amazingly, clicking the back button took me out of all this and back to the usual sign on page. I am unable to explain it, but then everything started up as usual.

        I’m not surprised about Windows password inconsistencies. I deal with lots of users on a daily basis, and I have for many years. There are always lots of password issues. Micky-mouse kind of stuff that shouldn’t be there in well-written programs.

        The fact that simply backing out and trying again allowed you to log in confirms this for me.

        In my opinion, Windows was designed from the ground up to be client-centric rather than server-centric. That client-centric legacy continues to this day in much of Windows and other Microsoft products, because that’s the approach Microsoft apparently continues to take.

        Group "L" (Linux Mint)
        with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
    • #1428770

      George,

      I am glad you have your computer back. Take a deep breath, use it to do something useful and relax :).

      If, in the future, you would like to use Online Armor, I can provide some guidance on how to configure it and use it. For now, I would advise you to not worry about it.

      You seem to be using EAM. EAM is much simpler to use out of the box, but if you have any doubts at any time, just post or PM and I will help.

      I have learned from your experience, as well. Indeed, Safe Mode is much harder to boot into than ever before and that is not a welcome change. It’s better to have a Windows 8 rescue disc (or flash, in my case), to be able to boot into Safe Mode when needed, if Windows 8 is not booting normally (which would allow you to reboot into safe mode). I will get that ready here, too.

      • #1429124

        George,

        If, in the future, you would like to use Online Armor, I can provide some guidance on how to configure it and use it. For now, I would advise you to not worry about it.

        You seem to be using EAM. EAM is much simpler to use out of the box, but if you have any doubts at any time, just post or PM and I will help.

        I have learned from your experience, as well. Indeed, Safe Mode is much harder to boot into than ever before and that is not a welcome change. It’s better to have a Windows 8 rescue disc (or flash, in my case), to be able to boot into Safe Mode when needed, if Windows 8 is not booting normally (which would allow you to reboot into safe mode). I will get that ready here, too.

        Rui,
        1. Are you saying that if I had used the USB stick with WinPE I could have got into Safe Mode and then System Restore? That would have saved a great deal of time and agitation, as I thought it would be necessary to restore the image and lose everything from the last few weeks, and avoid bothering the lounge yet again.

        2. This has taught me to make a weekly backup of My Docs, starting today. Presumably that can be copied to the external drive without creating a separate partition in order to create an image, just backing up will do.

        3. I first installed OA a few years ago, after reading a recommendation in WS or the lounge, but removed it after a month or two, irritated by frequent requests to allow or block something, and invariably allowing as I had no idea what it was. However, I was persuaded to give it another try after reading your strong recommendation of Emsisoft AM and OA in the recent cryptologger thread. I have been using the Avari suite for a couple of years, and was quite satisfied with it until recently, when it started blocking access to my bank and other sites which require one to enter only certain characters from the password. Intending to replace it with something else, your posting was quite opportune. The Avari sub ran out about 10 days ago, so I didn’t bother installing it on this PC, relying instead on W. Defender, which I know to be inadequate, espec. after my wife’s mishap last week.

        After Friday’s problem I initially decided to operate with the Windows firewall, but finally decided to take up your kind offer to assist me in the setting up.

        4. Finally, something quite off topic, if I may. When closing down Wednesday evening, the message said update and shut down. Fearing the worst, I discovered that the setting had been changed to automatically install updates. It proved impossible to change the setting until after installing the updates and rebooting. After using system restore I didn’t have time to attend to updates yesterday, and the same thing happened last night. I know MS are prone to do this, but unfortunate when it includes 2 kernel updates, and SB has said there are already reports of one causing problems. However, since reinstalling OA, it has shown several popups about access to Dell Updater being allowed. It occurs to me that Dell rather than MS could be the culprit, and, as I do not use Dell Updater intentionally, am inclined to block it.

        Apologies for the length of this.

    • #1428772

      Perhaps this article on how to Refresh your Win 8.0 without losing your files will help should you need it in future http://www.7tutorials.com/how-refresh-windows-8-installation-without-losing-your-data

    • #1428848

      George,

      I am one of those that had OA for a year, at Rui’s recommendation, then abandoned it when they changed their system and went with AVG AV Pro and never looked back. In fact I was glad I did. AVG seems much more user friendly IMO. Plus, you can use AVG AV without the suite if you prefer, and AVG AV 2014 freeuses the same engine as the Pro version. The pro version just has a few more bells and whistles. I got a great price on a 3 license Pro version and went for it, but I would easily recommend the free version as well.

      • #1428858

        George,

        I am one of those that had OA for a year, at Rui’s recommendation, then abandoned it when they changed their system and went with AVG AV Pro and never looked back. In fact I was glad I did. AVG seems much more user friendly IMO. Plus, you can use AVG AV without the suite if you prefer, and AVG AV 2014 freeuses the same engine as the Pro version. The pro version just has a few more bells and whistles. I got a great price on a 3 license Pro version and went for it, but I would easily recommend the free version as well.

        And of course, you are comparing apples and oranges. HIPS and AVs are not the same thing, have not the same goals and do not behave in the same way. Oh well…

        • #1429031

          And of course, you are comparing apples and oranges. HIPS and AVs are not the same thing, have not the same goals and do not behave in the same way. Oh well…

          The OP was commenting on a problem that seemed to be caused by OA. Perhaps it was just the firewall portion, perhaps not. I was attempting to point to an alternative app. The alternative can be installed as just an AV, or a full fledged security suite very similar to OA. Please do not continue to belittle my attempts to volunteer info to the OP.

          • #1429044

            The OP was commenting on a problem that seemed to be caused by OA. Perhaps it was just the firewall portion, perhaps not. I was attempting to point to an alternative app. The alternative can be installed as just an AV, or a full fledged security suite very similar to OA. Please do not continue to belittle my attempts to volunteer info to the OP.

            My comment was not not belittling you, it simple stated that your comment was comparing what is not comparable. When someone makes an inadequate comparison, as you did, it cannot go without comment. The Lounge is about educating people and your post, comparing apples and oranges does not educate people, leads them into an erroneous comparison.

            So, in my opinion, your post needed to be shown as expressing an opinion I think is incorrect. I am sorry if you don’t like it, but posting in a public place is subject to other people’s opinions and as long as those opinions are within the rules, expressing contradictory opinions is allowed on the Lounge.

            An AV is comparable to an AV, not an HIPS, they play different roles, employ different technologies and provide different levels of protection. Users who want to build a good defense against malware should always run an AV, in my opinion, and a HIPS is complementary to it. Suggesting the replacement of an HIPS by an AV is misleading, as it suggests an AV is a good replacement for a HIPS. It is not.

            Most of an AV product protection comes from the use of a blacklist. Blacklists are useless against zero day threats and even old threats that are packaged in a different way. Some AVs provide additional protection through behavior / heuristic detection. While that is a nice complement to the use of a blacklist, it does not compare to the protection provided by a HIPS, usually based on whitelisting. Suggesting otherwise, as your post implied, through the inadequate comparison you made, is thus misleading.

            Everyone has complete legitimacy to use whatever products they want. When advising others, however, the burden on who provides the advice is bigger. In my opinion, it is not enough to say “I use this and I like it”. In order to allow someone to make an informed choice, which is what the Lounge is about, the technical reasons for preferring one type of product over another should be given and explained. That’s why I try to do and that’s why I defend the use of a HIPS as the ultimate defense line in a multi-layered protection. In my opinion, no other security product can provide the level of security and control a good whitelisting HIPS can provide. It also will bring added responsibility to the user, but the question is whether the balance is better than the alternatives. Some people may find so, others not, but the decision should always be based on technical facts, not opinions that offer no technical reasons to back it up.

    • #1428906

      I need to write this day on my calendar — the day I finally got into Start Mode with Windows 8.x!:fanfare::clapping::bananas::thewave:

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
      • #1428910

        I need to write this day on my calendar — the day I finally got into Start Mode with Windows 8.x!:fanfare::clapping::bananas::thewave:

        Start Mode? :p

        • #1428934

          Start Mode? :p

          I’m so giddy with excitement at finally getting into SAFE Mode that I put the wrong name!

          Group "L" (Linux Mint)
          with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
          • #1428937

            I’m so giddy with excitement at finally getting into SAFE Mode that I put the wrong name!

            :B):

          • #1429008

            I’m so giddy with excitement at finally getting into SAFE Mode that I put the wrong name!

            We knew what you meant – or at least I did 😀

    • #1428933

      Start Screen maybe?? :rolleyes:

      Jerry

    • #1429179

      Hi George,

      1. The page I linked earlier shows how you can use either a Windows 8 disc (which you likely don’t have) or a Windows 8 recovery drive, to be able to boot into Advanced Recovery Options, which will then allow you to boot into Safe mode. I haven’t had the time to test it, but I will be creating one such flash drive and use it to test the process. Although I rely on Acronis, it’s always good to be able to boot into Safe Mode, if you need to, without having to restore your latest image – I just like to have all the options I can. The more options, the more chances there are of effectively recovering your system. Experience with computers tells me this, often, is a good thing to have.

      2. I think the decision to back your documents is a good. There is no such thing as excessive backups. I don’t know the size of your documents, but if they are less than 5 or 7 GB, maybe you can have a look at the possibility of using the cloud as yet another (free) option for an extra (safety) backup of your documents. This should only be considered if you trust the cloud. The benefits would be obvious -almost immediate and automatic backup after any document is changed. With some services (even free), you could even have multiple versions of your documents to go back to -this, of course, depends on the size of your docs and the willingness to trust the cloud. I know I use this and it has already saved me from trouble.

      3. I will gladly help setting up both EAM and OA, if you choose to do so. I will just ask you for some time to be able to prepare some screens with the recommended options, after some testing of my own with those settings, that I will try to ensure that make your life as easy as possible.

      One thing you need to be aware of, if you choose to go with both – they are more powerful than your regular protection options, but they will demand a bit more of you. This is valid both for EAM and OA (although much less for EAM). This requirement for input results from the nature of the behavioral detection of EAM (which may ask input on legitimate components or programs) and the nature of OA – which is to keep a record of everything that is authorized to run in your computer.

      How intrusive will they be? I run EAM in the same configuration I recommend for you. OA, I run it in a more verbose manner – I don’t want even Windows components to run without my permission (OA helps identifying these). So, how intrusive are they? I probably get a couple warnings from EAM each week and probably the same from OA – except when updating Windows. I will provide all details about this in a very near future, but I need a bit of time to make it easy to read and follow.

      Allow me to ask one thing – when you blocked something in OA, did you click the setting to have OA remember the block? Also, are you running OA at this moment?

      4. Windows 8.1 is exhibiting a very annoying behavior -it’s installing updates on shutdown even when I have it configured to just check for updates but not even download them. This is an intrusive and excessive behavior and I don’t like it a bit. I haven’t looked at the issue yet, but I can confirm it is behaving just as I have described now. I find this unacceptable.

      We are here voluntarily to help with any issues so, please, no apologies are necessary for asking for assistance. That’s what we are here for.

      Regards

      Rui

    • #1429198

      Thanks Rui,
      I am unable to recall whether OA was asked to remember the block, but probably yes. However, as System restore removed EAM and OA it probably wouldn’t retain a block now – speaking as a computer illiterate. However, it hasn’t cropped up again. In fact it has only asked for permission to allow two changes today, which were for programmes I use every day. So yes, it has been reinstalled.

      I take it your answer to Q1 is Yes. Testing must wait a day on two as I am in no fit state to crouch down behind the PC at present, as the ladder collapsed when I started to come down from the attic with the artificial Xmas tree. I feel sore all over.

      Peter O’Toole died today, the same age as me. Not being an alcoholic, I probably have a few years left, although at the moment I wouldn’t mind following him

      All the best,
      George

      • #1429216

        Thanks Rui,
        I am unable to recall whether OA was asked to remember the block, but probably yes. However, as System restore removed EAM and OA it probably wouldn’t retain a block now – speaking as a computer illiterate. However, it hasn’t cropped up again. In fact it has only asked for permission to allow two changes today, which were for programmes I use every day. So yes, it has been reinstalled.

        I take it your answer to Q1 is Yes. Testing must wait a day on two as I am in no fit state to crouch down behind the PC at present, as the ladder collapsed when I started to come down from the attic with the artificial Xmas tree. I feel sore all over.

        Peter O’Toole died today, the same age as me. Not being an alcoholic, I probably have a few years left, although at the moment I wouldn’t mind following him

        All the best,
        George

        George,

        I am sorry to hear about your accident. Hopefully you will be feeling better soon.

        OA will ask you about legitimate programs, that’s its role, to explicitly get your permission for stuff to run on your computer. Legitimate Windows files and known installers will be allowed by digital signature, thus removing from you the need to make a decision in a big number of situations.

        However, at least for the time being, if you have doubts about blocking a program, don’t check the option for OA to remember the block. This may mean more work, until you get things streamlined, but means nothing will persist after reboot, blocking wise. So you will be safe. If you have doubts on a specific app and OA doesn’t offer qualified advice, feel free to post here or PM.

        I will try to get the recommended config for you asap.

    • #1429291

      Ok, George, hope you are feeling better.

      Here are some recommendations on using OA.

      In Programs Options, these are the settings I think you should use:

      35790-George1

      As you see, I checked the options to make OA automatically allow programs known as trustworthy and those that are digitally signed. These should remove the need to confirm most programs.

      Other relevant settings here are the relative to notifications. I have checked the option to have OA to prompt when running unknown programs. It’s the best way to ensure your safety. This will, however, require you to evaluate what OA asks of you, when a prompt shows. If it shows, it means OA is doing what it is supposed to do – asking for your input when there is an unknown program, preventing it from running.
      How do you know what to reply? Sometimes OA will offer info on the program – read that and see whether the info is enough to make a decision. Look at the example below:

      35791-george6

      You can see there are several types of files there: Windows system files (they always have some specific identification – in this case its winblue_rtm..). If you let your mouse hover on the files, you can also see where they are located. You can also see versions stated for Office files. This type of information, when available, will also shown in the prompt OA will show you. Use it to make a decision and you can couple that with the circumstances related to when the prompt shows – if you are installing an app, prompts are expected. Prompts about system files can also occur during your initial phase of use or after a Windows update. This may happen after a boot (most likely) or when you start some windows native app. On the other, if a prompt for a non system file occurs out of the blue and you are not installing anything or didn’t just start a program, likely you want to block it. If in doubt, as I said before, block it without the check box to remember the option activated and ask for input here or at Emsisoft’s support site (which has some quite knowledgeable people).

      The thing I want to emphasize here, again, is that OA can prompt for legitimate files. That may happen for various circumstances, but it may happen. If it does, then I see it as reassuring, it’s just OA making sure nothing gets executed without being allowed.

      Another set of options is shown below:

      35795-George3

      Basically here I am saying that OA should allow trusted programs to access the internet without prompting you. This is to diminish the number of prompts, but it means some programs may get access without you ever explicitly allowing it. I like to allow for a first time and then when I know the program, I just check the option for OA to remember it and no more prompts occur. I have also disable the notification to have OA warn you about any programs accessing the internet, which can be annoying.

      These are settings related to permissions and meant to have OA make the most work while requiring input from you as few times as possible.

      In OA, for system performance reasons, I recommend you exclude EAM from OA’s monitoring. The screen shows how you do that:

      35793-George3

      Just press the Add button and navigate to the EAM folder. You will have to perform a similar action in EAM’s and I will show you how in a following post.

      Other things I do:

      1. While applying Windows Updates, I get OA into learning mode. This will allow Windows Updates to proceed without prompts from OA. I also uncheck the option for OA to start during boot, when I update windows. This will ensure no updates will be blocked by OA (which may happen) and then, when the computer boots, I check that one again and remove OA from learning mode. To be safe, this requires you not to engage in online activity during Windows update.
      You can get OA on and off learning mode simply by right-clicking it and choose the Learning Mode option.

      2. Sometimes, when installing a new app, OA will prompt you many times. If it gets annoying and I know the app is safe, I get OA into learning mode. This will ensure no prompts either. I don’t do this often, but some apps can get annoying (Nitro PDF Reader is a big pain).

      So, these can help you have a smoother experience with OA. Hope it helps.
      It is possible that you still find it annoying. My advice would be to bear with it, as it improves rapidly with time. Please, don’t just accept or block anything just to remove the prompt. Doing that would make OA useless, really.

      Not sure if you are interested in using Banking mode. If you do, I can provide help with that too.

      HTH. Will post about EAM later.

      Regards

    • #1429340

      Rui,
      Many thanks for a massive piece of work, which I had not expected to receive for a week or more, possibly after Christmas. Really helpful, especially the advice about not instructing OA to remember the action if blocking something I’m not sure about – thus allowing time for further investigation.

      I have just one question, in the exclusions you show Visual Studio as ticked, but although a search shows several versions of Visual C, I am unable to find Visual Studio. I suspect it only exists in pro versions of Windows, or should I exclude Visual C?

      Thanks also for your first sentence. I am walking somewhat more easily today, having discovered that my heels were not injured in the fall, and walking on them removes much of the discomfort, although painfully slow. Apart from that, I’m still very fragile.

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      George,

      Glad to know you are feeling better. Hope you keep improving.

      As to Visual Studio, that’s because I have Visual Studio installed. Most of my work is developing apps and websites, so I have it installed. You don’t need to worry about it. Apologies if that misled you, but I captured the screens from my own installation and the exclusion is there. I should have graphically removed it.

      P.S.: There, I edited the pesky Visual Studio from the OA exclusions list, in the exclusions related screen.

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