Incoming! Monthly Rollup previews for Win7, 8.1; “critical” updates for Win10 1607, 1703; nothing so far for Win10 1709 or 1803

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Something of a yawner. Of course, you shouldn’t install any of them. Details coming in Computerworld.
[See the full post at: Incoming! Monthly Rollup previews for Win7, 8.1; “critical” updates for Win10 1607, 1703; nothing so far for Win10 1709 or 1803]

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Windows 7 64 bit . Thanks Woody and no thanks Microsoft. – Hide.

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I have Win7 SP1  and use Group A  and the previews are KB4103472  and KB4033342

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May 17, 2018—KB4103713 (Preview of Monthly Rollup)
Windows 7 Service Pack 1, Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4103713/windows-7-update-kb4103713

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@geekdom:  Is it okay to install the “previews”??   Other than the NET previews, I’ve always been under the impression that we should “never” install PREVIEWS.    Is this correct or not?  I appreciate any factual information that you could provide.   Thank you for your help.

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NEVER install anything marked “Preview.”

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Never install anything marked Preview is good advice, thank you Woody.  Understand that some people are  ‘Early Adopters’  and want the newest latest greatest thing,  from experience these  “Previews”  usually have some problems, from a few, to a lot.  Consider ‘Previews’ should only be downloaded by those that want to be  “Beta – Testers”  and are comfortable with diagnosing and fixing any problems that develop. Those who would like a  ‘Stable and Reliable’  Operating System should  avoid  ‘Previews’.  Here are some links for more reading:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/824684/description-of-the-standard-terminology-that-is-used-to-describe-micro

https://www.onmsft.com/news/microsoft-offers-more-details-on-new-patch-rollup-scheme-for-windows-7-8-x-server

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/10/07/more-on-windows-7-and-windows-8-1-servicing-changes/

Woody and others have mentioned many times the problems with “Previews” here and at the  Computerworld  articles.   If you take a Preview update:  Buyer Beware.

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Woody, thank you very much for verifying this!    🙂  🙂

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woody wrote:

Of course, you shouldn’t install any of them.

Ever?

Some of the “boring” fixes sound very useful to me, e.g.:
Addresses an issue that causes BitLocker to go into recovery mode when updates are applied.

Which are Servicing Stack updates and where are they marked “critical”? (Neither are mentioned in the linked ComputerWorld article.)

Where are the cumulative updates marked “critical”? (Not mentioned in the linked ComputerWorld article.)

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The Servicing Stack updates are marked critical in the Catalog:

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2018-05

The cumulative updates are listed as mere “Updates” — as usual.

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woody wrote:

Of course, you shouldn’t install any of them.

b wrote:

Ever?

Some of the “boring” fixes sound very useful to me

Woody has always advised that you wait till lots of others have installed them, so you can see if there are any problems that will happen as a result.

They may in fact be very useful to you. And if you’re willing to take a chance on installing them now, before they have been tested by other people, go for it. But if you wait just a bit before installing them, you may well get some very useful updates while avoiding some problematic ones.

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with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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Those “boring” fixes might look useful, and may well be useful — when they are finally made fit for human consumption.

The bugs they might come riddled with, perhaps less so.

They are meant for developers and IT experts to have a look inside them and prepare things for when the final patches show up at the next Patch Tuesday, or whenever.

As to applying patches myself, I prefer to wait until I can no longer hear the cries of the wounded and the dying before installing any of them whatsoever. As to “previews”… “never” is OK by me.

What’s the big hurry?

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Even as a Mac-user we start to feel the Microsoft update pain. Beginning of this week a huge and slow installing Office update (this software is always the most cumbersome in maintaining on macOS, the rest updates fast and efficient). And today again 450 MB for Word alone. What we got back for all the waiting time? A chat function. Must have been a reason to totally rewrite all of the code…

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LibreOffice

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More spyware that is all.

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Do you mean the update is “more spyware”, or do you mean LibreOffice?

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No the Update is obviously the spyware.

“Chat function” give me a break. More information that can be stored revealing what people are thinking and their wants and needs. There must be some massive storage data centers out there.

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With the Mac there is an option, same as in Windows (Win 7 at least) to either install automatically the patches to Office 2016 for the Mac, or to be told when they are available but let you install them. In my Mac, I have chosen the second option, same as I’ve done in my Win 7 machine.

When the Mac updates become available, I get every day, just after logging into my home Mac for the first time that day, a little message that shows up, informing me that there are Office 2016 patches available and asking me whether I want to install them right then or decline (and do it some other time). I keep on clicking “decline” for the first week or two afterwards. Then, if I hear nothing bad about Office 16 for Windows here, I click “accept” the next time that sign shows up. Office does take a while to update, but it is usually well under five minutes, at least in my own experience.

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On my 1709 I received 2 updates today: MRT (which I didn’t get on patch tuesday) and kb4124661. This last one gave me a little notification screen (action center) after reboot to remind me to install April’s 2018 update. There was a option for more information or to delete the message. When you choose “more information” you’ll be sent to a MS webpage that explains how to manually search for updates just to be sure you are up to date… And we all know if you do so you’ll get the upgrade to 1803. Very sneaky!

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GWX = Get Windows 10  Malware, over and over again.

Thank you  Woody and MVP’s  for watching out for us simple home users.

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Yep, Win 7  home users even though most of us are Group A;   You should never install ‘Preview`s”.

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The Windows update thing is a joke — like all the other bugware shipped by the Microsoft clowns.

Installed 1803 on 5/1 and KB4103721 on 5/10, but Windows Update still offers:

Feature update to Windows 10, version 1803
2018-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4103721)

It’s just ridiculous, and maybe wushowhide is no longer a viable option to prevent updates/upgrades either if one is not willing to run it several times a day.

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Anonymous #193006 :

Here is some interesting reading about MS telemetry misdeeds in Office 2016 for the Mac:

https://www.macintouch.com/community/index.php?threads/microsoft-office.763/#post-2365

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Win 7×64  here’s a new one.  I have “check for update’s but let me choose which to down load”.  Turn the computer on for the today 19 May.  Say`s installing up date.  Checked which one it was since it was “Involuntary”.   It was the snoop KB2952644.  had to uninstall it again.

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I find “Never check” safer.

If you’ve run Windows Updates to see what’s there, but closed it after unchecking updates and you don’t hit apply… the updates are rechecked automatically… and willl install the next time you restart the computer. At least that was my experience…

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Win 7, 64 bit, Group A, home user, updated through April. (Toshiba PC and Toshiba Laptop)

My Win 7 Toshiba PC is running great since updating April Rollup around April 28th. Hadn’t done any updating on this PC or my Toshiba laptop since Dec., then decided last month after getting the Woody “go ahead”, to get April updates.

They had both been running great until I turned on my laptop today and got the BSOD. Have never experienced this before. My PC is doing really good, no blue screen and everything seems to be running fine. I’m holding off with the May updates until it seems safe per Woody and friends here. But I’m surprised to see the laptop going through the BSOD epidemic even after not choosing to update beyond April. Only thing I can figure is maybe I accidentally tapped on updates on the laptop and they automatically started downloading. I fly around on that little machine because I use it as a test model here at home. Both machines are set to show updates but let me choose. But after reading your comment, Elly, regarding keep the WU settings at “Never Update”, I’ve decided to set my PC as such. Like I said, the PC hasn’t been a problem, just the Laptop, possibly due to my haphazard maniac clicking around here to there, checking in with WU. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

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Myst wrote:

Win 7, 64 bit, Group A, home user, updated through April. (Toshiba PC and Toshiba Laptop) My Win 7 Toshiba PC is running great since updating April Rollup around April 28th. Hadn’t done any updating on this PC or my Toshiba laptop since Dec., then decided last month after getting the Woody “go ahead”, to get April updates. They had both been running great until I turned on my laptop today and got the BSOD. Have never experienced this before. My PC is doing really good, no blue screen and everything seems to be running fine. I’m holding off with the May updates until it seems safe per Woody and friends here. But I’m surprised to see the laptop going through the BSOD epidemic even after not choosing to update beyond April. Only thing I can figure is maybe I accidentally tapped on updates on the laptop and they automatically started downloading. I fly around on that little machine because I use it as a test model here at home. Both machines are set to show updates but let me choose. But after reading your comment, Elly, regarding keep the WU settings at “Never Update”, I’ve decided to set my PC as such. Like I said, the PC hasn’t been a problem, just the Laptop, possibly due to my haphazard maniac clicking around here to there, checking in with WU. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

So is there anyone who can help me ditch this BSOD on my laptop? Win7, Home User, 64 bit, updated through April. Group A. I’ve tried going through the “Safe Mode”, and a few others after clicking on F8 at start up. The Win logo comes through then proceeds to the error screen. But I can’t get to any normal starting point to try Restore. What a mess, thanks for any help you can give me.

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Hello @Willygirl-

I’m definitely not an expert… but while we’re waiting for a more techy response, have you found Knowledge Base Article 2000009: Getting out of a No Boot Situation After Installing Windows Updates?

It takes you through, step by step, what to do…

Wishing you the best… (and I have a Toshiba laptop, too!).

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Thanks Elly, it wasn’t the updates dilemma, but it appears the Toshiba Protege is toast or in need of other repair, according to the son. No big deal. It was just a Win7 WU test device. Thank you for the link though, you are very helpful along with everyone else here at the Lounge.

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Hi willygirl, Elly has pointed in the right direction. Please follow up with results from AKB2000009, or any questions you may have. If not quite yet a success, please consider starting a question thread here to highlight your case and reduce scrolling. There is an additional method available to try. [edit to add: In that link for a new Question topic, scroll down past the list of 15 most recent to the section titled Create New Topic in “Questions: Windows 7”. There is a familiar comment box, with a title box above and additional options below]

If Elly, Noel, and AKB2000009 have gotten you clear of the stop error / BSOD condition, then I suggest you recheck your settings according to Woody’s GroupA standard, now, ahead of the next MSDefcon change. Read through AKB2000004 to verify. The settings are slightly different from the GroupB you were seeking before. It may seem minor, but can affect which of the very old updates are included in Windows Update offerings.

Mentioning very old updates, I read you either paused or rolled back to DEC2017. Sorry that I am not recalling which, because that may be a significant difference. Look into your hidden updates list, and make sure you have a clear reason for each item hidden. It may be possible that a needed item is prevented from loading. Again if this glossed over description needs more clarity, please open a question topic for your case, where more specific questions and advice can be exchanged.

GroupB is also an appropriate method, you just need to be clear on which directions you want to follow. Elly’s own article AKB2000011 can help you decide which path fits your desire, and includes appropriate links for correct preparation ahead of the MAY lifting of MSDefcon restrictions. PKCano continues to give excellent guidance for that GroupB method.

Please write back with success from Noel’s AKB2000009, or an indication of where you would like to go next.
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had to self reply when I realized I had cross credited Noel Carboni on MrBrian’s topic AKB2000009: Getting out of a no-boot situation after installing Windows updates.

Apologies all around for my mistake. Thank you again MrBrian for this article.

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They re-added the accidentally-removed inetcomm.dll & hlink.dll to Win7 Rollup
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/april-2018-patch-tuesday-is-here-and-its-a-biggie/#post-183436

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Peabody here. As a test, KB4103713 (Preview of Monthly Rollup) for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 was installed. No difficulties and the system rebooted.

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